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The Great Boom
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Founded: Oct 03, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Great Boom » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:14 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
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I understood the distinction you're trying to draw between results and attempts on "minimizing the loss of life." I didn't mean to imply that your resolution demands results. I have an issue with even making the attempt. It is too arduous, contradictory to my nation's more important laws and unnecessary as our volcanoes aren't imminently erupting. And your resolution mandates making an attempt to build infrastructure in my untouched natural wilderness and violating the sovereignty of indigenous people who are making perfectly reasonable choices to live in ash zones.

Critically, I brought up the point that our volcanoes aren't at imminent risk because scientifically, the vast, vast majority of volcanoes are not. But your resolution makes no distinction for this. The actionable clauses mandate that we deal with all predicted volcanic activity by doing as your resolution says. Even volcanic activity predicted 2,500 years from now in my nation's case, or perhaps 100,000 years from now in other cases. The only way to resolve this honestly would be to make compliance option, which is of course, absurd, since in that case no resolution is even needed. Thus my point, this resolution isn't needed, arduously regulates people who live near volcanoes who know much better than you about the risk, and will do untold environmental damage for no good reason.

I would have loved to make these complaints during the draft process but I wasn't aware of your resolution. Regardless of when I found it, the issues are clear to me. I will begin plans to repeal.

If you're going to make a repeal, don't just make it completely based on NatSov, you have to actually address the contents of the resolution. Also, draft first.


I don't plan to make much of a NatSov argument at all. And I'm an author so I love drafting work. I also love feedback and criticism, which I'm sure there will be plenty of since this resolution is passing with popular support. My objective is to convince people that volcanic activity regulation is tremendously important, but this falls way short and should be replaced.

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Outer Sparta
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:44 pm

The Great Boom wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:If you're going to make a repeal, don't just make it completely based on NatSov, you have to actually address the contents of the resolution. Also, draft first.


I don't plan to make much of a NatSov argument at all. And I'm an author so I love drafting work. I also love feedback and criticism, which I'm sure there will be plenty of since this resolution is passing with popular support. My objective is to convince people that volcanic activity regulation is tremendously important, but this falls way short and should be replaced.

So far your arguments against it hinge on concerns to indigenous populations. I don't find them convincing to vote against this one.
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The Great Boom
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Postby The Great Boom » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:39 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
The Great Boom wrote:
I don't plan to make much of a NatSov argument at all. And I'm an author so I love drafting work. I also love feedback and criticism, which I'm sure there will be plenty of since this resolution is passing with popular support. My objective is to convince people that volcanic activity regulation is tremendously important, but this falls way short and should be replaced.

So far your arguments against it hinge on concerns to indigenous populations. I don't find them convincing to vote against this one.


Not true. Those are not my arguments to repeal. They are only relevant to my explanation of why my nation voted against it in the at-vote thread.

In the first draft appeal I wrote since our other exchange, I listed my reasons for repeal (in greater detail in the draft)
- The definitions are inadequate.
- The resolution doesn't offer distinctions on two key issues: eruption threats in rural vs urban areas (and indeed uninhabited areas), and also eruption threats in our lifetime vs threats that are centuries or more like milennia and eons away, it mandates nations to take both equally as seriously.
-Section 2, subsection a, clause iii is redundant
- The resolution requires combining efforts with Non-WA members, and in some cases to a great extent.
- The clause calling for "reversing damage caused by volcanic activity within reason" is inherently contradictory. And reasonable work is redundant to what the resolution already calls for doing (twice), and anything beyond that is impossible by modern science.
- The resolution doesn't address the actual important policy areas for international law regarding volcanic activity, many of which I've mentioned in the appeal.

Also in the draft I have a single clause mentioning the unnecessary disruption to the lives of people who live in ash zones, largely with respect to forced resettlement, which is a serious international human rights concern especially since volcanoes often have religious significance.
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Tinhampton
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:00 pm

Volcanic Activity Convention was passed 11,148 votes to 1,735. (86.53% support)

For: 11,148: Francois Isidore (969), Amerion (668), The Atlae Isles (588), East Durthang (423), Wischland (332), North East Somerset (257), Primorye Oblast (226), Agalaesia (221), Luna State (172), Duby (160), Narvatus (152), Lesser Velutaria (129), You Should See Me in a Crown (119), TESDAI (115), Brototh (114), The Salaxalans (67), Josephtan (64), Enlais (63), Nulkia (56), The Glorious Hypetrain (56), Mikeswill (46), South Boston Irishmen (46), Brys questions (44), Paleocacher (41), Dabberwocky (40), Hindu Puri (39), Candensia (38), Particle (35), International Socialist Union (33), Yodle (32), Lamerdon (31), Boris Cult (31), Roma Sparta (31), Karteria (30), Noble Titans (29), Sanctaria (27), Tostandia (26), Jedinsto (25), Orioni 2 (24), Swiftlandian Peoples Republic (22), Castle Federation (21), Sjevre (21), Tinhampton (20), Rangers of the Grey (20), Oi Barbaroi (19), Fachumonn (19), Volykos (19), Johanneslanden (18), Ioavollr (18), Asian Lands (18), Calnodia (17), Ecclestia (16), Baloo Kingdom (16), Zergadnkastan (16), J-O-E (15), Greater Cuba (15), Isaris (14), Dalek-Empire (13), Sheepiania (13), Hajirah (13), Halcyon Nova (12), Yafetistan (12), FNU (12), Hydroponic Nation (11), The Hard Part (10), The Sheika (10), Ko-oren (10), Axorian (10), Federal republic of Socialsts (10), Candanadium (10), Vegaga (10), Otaku Stratus (10), Tyfan Union (10), Zamastan (9), Somersetonia (9), Draganisia (9), Porotia (9), Santa Thereza (9), Seludong (9), Lurusitania (9), Romanian Sultanate (9), The Reich of my People (8), Norvew (8), Golanchia (8), The Flyin (8), The Voltarum (8), Orennica (7), The Regalian Underland (7), Russia Major (7), Martinilinian (7), OmegaShenron (7), The Soviet state of Svalbard (7), Taki Calxur (6), Omniabstracta (6), Krovnik (6), Ur-Noxia (6), Rykkland (6), Hetairaea (6), Aelythium (6), New Ziah (6), Onionist Randosia (6), Eastern Carpathian Free States (6), Libertarian Communist Planets (6), The Scottish Republic (6), FORKTASTICSTAN (5), Lushie (5), Crimea is Ukraine (5), North Power (5), Pan-European State (5), Lamoni (5), Zarbik (5), New Delfos (5), Libonesia (5), Wadelhelpia (5), Calamari Lands (5), The Fire Born (5), Greater Zhanland (5), Ench Table (5), Britcan (5), Kustonia (5), Crawlaysia (5), Quezo (4), Barak Khalad (4), Andia Calla (4), Socialist Amogus (4), Wabacha (4), Denathor (4), CamerWoon (4), Tuandle (4), Megaxistan (4), San Teodoro de Haro (4), Sunixia Catinia (4), Republic of Dixie (4), Jacobopolus (4), Islae (4), Chap Ven (4), Achain (4), Chemung (4), Imperialist Bonaparte (4), Frontier Isles (4), SkillCrossbones (4), Angry Saffron (4), Reultan (4), Smiley Bob (4), Northern Race Empire (4), Shinomiya (4), Mohamed Rahhali (4), IstanbulHasAids (4), Lithuanian Ireland (4), Socruell (4), Ethwelistan (4), Redorish Reich (4), Terminum (4), Greenkeep (3), Dragons of Power (3), N E A C (3), Chiarje (3), Deskoslovakia (3), Ben Kenobi (3), Novus Greater Britannia (3), Pastries (3), Coronational Chechyans and affiliates (3), Robotox Empire (3), Zombiedolphins (3), Qastari (3), Donau Federation (3), Adinesi (3), Talyang (3), The United Provinces of North America (3), The Islands of Europe and the Americas (3), Gurbangulistan (3), Nekomimea (3), Heromerland (3), Koxor (3), Militarai (3), Pancakes of Destruction (3), Hixoelop (3), Serene Peninsular Workers Republic (3), Herby (3), Acratopia (3), The Neolithic German Empire (3), Krasnyrussia (3), Edmundian Pluto (3), Haruhi Japan (3), Suvmia (3), The Infamous Glare (3), Ricau-Legorminas (3), 11 Templar Knights (3), Neo-0ttoman (3), Newbrige (3), Fritzentein (3), Etoile Arcture (2), The Republic of Abe (2), The Anarchist Federation of Spain (2), Imperioa (2), FarmerGroot (2), Union of Noovistian (2), Boku no Pica (2), For The worlds of the midrim (2), United Lammunist Republic (2), Great Ronopolis (2), Nasset (2), Ashaie (2), Arkti (2), Silver-Tree (2), Melanocytes (2), Vipathe (2), The Isles of Bermuda (2), Halexandria (2), Ardchriocha (2), Santa Monica Order (2), The Eurasian SFSR (2), So Pep (2), Merulla (2), Atcquatica (2), NationStates Puppet (2), Duhhhmurica (2), Oscines (2), Spinys (2), Swideri (2), Scakulever (2), The Akasha Colony (2), Erianu (2), Saganye (2), Greater Eireann (2), Raccquesi (2), Sovyanka (2), Il Osoris (2), Zachtia (2), The Penguarians (2), Beazlend (2), Tharangia (2), Molson Iceland (2), Hometania (2), Whitemore (2), Tartaso (2), The Pop Punk Union (2), Shnrubton (2), Some People on Planet Arcadia (2), United Dependencies (2), Uhremberg (2), Main (2), Islands Of Ventro (2), Krasnovidia-Buldar (2), Fiadostan (2), Saint Archaeo (2), Gumeus (2), Hanoten (2), Copristan (2), Imperiya Snezhnaya (2), Nabiastan (2), Sergovo (2), Tirnot (2), Hakuri (2), The Ancient World (2), Mittlemazigste (2), Fsdh E (2), Imperial China-Shou (2), The Hazar Amisnery (2), Unified Democratic Europe (2), Kaija (2), Zarnicovia nova (2), Eotheood (2), Rokdoverstan (2), Molopovia (2), Teschnaia (2), Wakanda Reborn (2), Romulus III (2), Conservativealia (2), The Soviet Union Republics (2), Real Gamers (2), The Universe World (2), Hnrrrigstan (2), Fifth Caliphate (2), Emnaria (2), New Mauretania (2), and (4,326) individual member nations.

Against: 1,735: Dilber (506), Ruinenlust (124), ShrewLlamaLand (100), Vancouvia (59), Sylh Alanor (52), Quinceria (36), NewTexas (24), Hulldom (23), Bassiliya (20), Cruciland (14), Gatchina (12), Azgoghk (11), Russiania (11), One Small Island (10), Ecolaria (9), Sirian (9), Brocklandia (8), GoodKingWenceslas (8), Pinochet Executionists (7), Chodean Kal (7), Masonolixia (6), New Scottsville (5), ColdHeartedBastards (5), The Sovereign Kingdom of Immobilia (5), The Palentine (4), Cus Kazdines (4), Border-Albion (4), New Herdon (4), Quinsonnia (4), Madrocea (3), Littjara (3), Grand Memeland (3), Environmental Support (3), Erisure (3), Sietsk (2), Voneisen (2), Parhe (2), Sedgistan (2), Vetoland (2), Matonis (2), Usual People In Life (2), United Corporate States (2), Lacmhacarh (2), Rivgalia (2), Adeiatic (2), Republic of Blank (2), Oppy Gasai (2), President Pro Tempore (2), Thauna (2), Vanra (2), and (597) individual member nations.
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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:14 am

Tinhampton wrote:Volcanic Activity Convention was passed 11,148 votes to 1,735. (86.53% support)

OOC: The Stranger's Bar drinks are on Minskiev, not me! :P
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:22 am

Araraukar wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Volcanic Activity Convention was passed 11,148 votes to 1,735. (86.53% support)

OOC: The Stranger's Bar drinks are on Minskiev, not me! :P

You were a lot of help, though, especially with the work you and Minskiev put to make it a quality resolution!
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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:37 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: The Stranger's Bar drinks are on Minskiev, not me! :P

You were a lot of help, though, especially with the work you and Minskiev put to make it a quality resolution!

OOC: But given the celebratory Bar rounds tend to bankrupt nations... :lol:
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