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Postby Daarwyrth » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:48 pm

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Daarwyrth wrote:Weren't your sympathisers literally telegramming individual nations to change their 'against' vote to 'for?


From the perspectives I've heard it from, Monkchester's telegrams compared to the pressure on Doofstonian were very mild. They were writing telegrams to encourage them to vote for fun. Now, compare 'encourage' to 'pressure'. Now if y'all had encouraged Doofstonian to change their vote, that would have been fine (something that both sides have been doing). But again, the pressures from the bigger delegates appear to have more weight than a noble opinion.

You literally have no idea what the content of the messages to Doofstonian were. Unless they shared it with you (which I don't believe they did). You have no idea whether there was pressure or encouragement. The same way I have no idea what Monkchester was writing. For all I know he might have been pressuring people to change their vote, not encouraging. You're fabricating lies in support of a flawed narrative that you and your ilk have chosen - for whatever reason - to uphold. It's not for fun or a serious cause, that's for sure.
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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:50 pm

It was quorum raided by the good people of nationsates standing against communism and the tyrannical TCB. Stay vigilant the silent majority will come.

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Postby Daarwyrth » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:51 pm

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:It was quorum raided by the good people of nationsates standing against communism and the tyrannical TCB. Stay vigilant the silent majority will come.

Your "the silent majority will come" trope really has gone from annoying to obnoxious. There is no silent majority. There never was and never will be. The only thing that you're doing is wasting people's time with an absolutely worthless proposal and your infantile behaviour.
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Postby Goraria » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:53 pm

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:It was quorum raided by the good people of nationsates standing against communism and the tyrannical TCB. Stay vigilant the silent majority will come.

I don’t think this “silent majority” ain’t gonna be here in time. Even if they do get here in time it’s not like it will make a huge difference.

Btw time to add that in my list of things that the author of this proposal has thought.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:54 pm

A message lodged by Ophistan shortly after I informed him that Doofistan was referring to campaign telegrams- https://www.nationstates.net/region=fre ... #p43108327 . He had no idea that there were counter-campaigns, and was simply spouting random shit about pressuring him.

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:54 pm

Daarwyrth wrote:
Kazakhstan 3 wrote:It was quorum raided by the good people of nationsates standing against communism and the tyrannical TCB. Stay vigilant the silent majority will come.

Your "the silent majority will come" trope really has gone from annoying to obnoxious. There is no silent majority. There never was and never will be. The only thing that you're doing is wasting people's time with an absolutely worthless proposal and infantile behaviour.

It's the same crap we got with Bitely and Jocospor, but with even less tact.
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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:55 pm

I am most certainly wasting your time as you continue to try and fail to put me and my glorious proposal down. However, many people have told what a wonderful and beautiful proposal this is. In fact, many have said it’s the best proposal. If it weren’t for delegate power and region pressure this would be a sure thing.

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Postby Goraria » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:56 pm

Ok now the other delegates voting against this proposal has surpassed the total amount of voter voting for it. Really it was bound to happen.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:58 pm

Goraria wrote:Ok now the other delegates voting against this proposal has surpassed the total amount of voter voting for it. Really it was bound to happen.

That, and individual nations, which well exceeds the total for.

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Postby Daarwyrth » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:59 pm

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:I am most certainly wasting your time as you continue to try and fail to put me and my glorious proposal down. However, many people have told what a wonderful and beautiful proposal this is. In fact, many have said it’s the best proposal. If it weren’t for delegate power and region pressure this would be a sure thing.

Your proposal is already dead. Not even Necromancy could bring it back to life.
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Postby Ohpistan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:01 pm

Jedinsto wrote:A message lodged by Ophistan shortly after I informed him that Doofistan was referring to campaign telegrams- https://www.nationstates.net/region=fre ... #p43108327 . He had no idea that there were counter-campaigns, and was simply spouting random shit about pressuring him.


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Postby Silvedania » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:02 pm

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:My Ban has been lifted. Some things to note. This vote is flawed. WA delegates greatly skew the votes. And for those who say that the individuals against are still greater. Many regions require a unanimous vote for the majority view within a region and others feel pressure to vote with their delegate. If this was truly a democratic election, I would win by a lot.

The vote is not flawed, just many people don't feel like voting for a two line proposal that says basically, "communism bad."
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:02 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:A message lodged by Ophistan shortly after I informed him that Doofistan was referring to campaign telegrams- https://www.nationstates.net/region=fre ... #p43108327 . He had no idea that there were counter-campaigns, and was simply spouting random shit about pressuring him.


I deeply commend your stalking.

I am watching you closer than the mods are. Go make a discord or something if you don't want me to see shit like this. It's not hidden from anyone.

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Postby Ohpistan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:04 pm

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Ohpistan wrote:
I deeply commend your stalking.

I am watching you closer than the mods are. Go make a discord or something if you don't want me to see shit like this. It's not hidden from anyone.


If we had a discord, you know I'd already add you to it ;)

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:05 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:A message lodged by Ophistan shortly after I informed him that Doofistan was referring to campaign telegrams- https://www.nationstates.net/region=fre ... #p43108327 . He had no idea that there were counter-campaigns, and was simply spouting random shit about pressuring him.


I deeply commend your stalking.

Ah yes, stalking your RMB.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:06 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:I am watching you closer than the mods are. Go make a discord or something if you don't want me to see shit like this. It's not hidden from anyone.


If we had a discord, you know I'd already add you to it ;)

Your regional board literally speaks of a Discord. Kazakhstan 3 literally spoke of a Discord watch party. If you think you're being super secret and difficult to decipher, stop. You're not. You're transparent, see-through.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:08 pm

Right, the discord. Just go use that if you don't want me, or anyone else interested (I bet I'm not the only one) to see.

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Postby Galiantus III » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:32 pm

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:It was quorum raided by the good people of nationsates standing against communism and the tyrannical TCB. Stay vigilant the silent majority will come.


The only one who has done quorum raiding in the past week is yours truly, and I raided against both TCB proposals. If I had my way, your "glorious, wonderful, beautiful, and best" proposal would not be on the floor right now. It would be gone.

As for communism, you are either very misguided or you are a Marxist to the core. Either out of ignorance or malice you have made yourself a caricature of conservatives like myself for the entertainment of gameplay. And I really don't appreciate it. All the far leftists out there (including the communists) are enjoying the show you are putting on because it validates their positions. It's cathartic for them. TCB likes what you are doing. They want you to do it. And yet you keep doing it, even when they've made their position blatantly obvious.

So pick one: Either you are totally ignorant and legitimately unhinged, or you are a communist lap-dog. Only one can be true.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:45 pm

To be fair, not all of TCB likes this, considering what they've said on the forums, but the delegate voted for, and obviously some of them see it from the "badge of honor" perspective, or just like it for the memes. Others, though, don't like it.

Edit: I just checked their vote count on a puppet, they're 80% against.
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Postby Ohpistan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:09 pm

Jedinsto wrote:Right, the discord. Just go use that if you don't want me, or anyone else interested (I bet I'm not the only one) to see.


Hahaha. Don't worry, I'm just messing around. I'm aware that people are able to see the RMB, and I don't really care. I'll only care once you start to misconstrue and misintepret information for your own personal benefit. Change that, and it's solved!

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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:19 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:Right, the discord. Just go use that if you don't want me, or anyone else interested (I bet I'm not the only one) to see.


Hahaha. Don't worry, I'm just messing around. I'm aware that people are able to see the RMB, and I don't really care. I'll only care once you start to misconstrue and misintepret information for your own personal benefit. Change that, and it's solved!

So, you're saying you did know about the countercampaigns, before I told you they existed and you made that post? Even though you said they are now sending countertelegrams?

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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:21 pm

Galantius 3 you are clearly a
Communist in disguise. If you don’t support my bill you support communism. Just like you said their are only two options. Either you are a communist or a buffoon. My proposal is perfect.

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Postby Ohpistan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:22 pm

Jedinsto wrote:
Ohpistan wrote:
Hahaha. Don't worry, I'm just messing around. I'm aware that people are able to see the RMB, and I don't really care. I'll only care once you start to misconstrue and misintepret information for your own personal benefit. Change that, and it's solved!

So, you're saying you did know about the countercampaigns, before I told you they existed and you made that post? Even though you said they are now sending countertelegrams?


More like I knew they exist, but assumed they woud have little impact as the 'for' votes appear to be those dedicated to the idea.

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Postby Adab » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:22 pm

Regardless of whether this "perfect" proposal is serious or not, I'll give another reason why this shouldn't have been voted on in the first place.

"Action The Security Council hereby condemns The Communist Bloc."

What kind of sentence is that? If you had just said "The Security Council hereby condemns The Communist Bloc" it would still have been correct. Even if this is not meant to be serious, it's not even that entertaining.

This proposal really could have been much better. Then I would have considered voting for it.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:24 pm

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:Galantius 3 you are clearly a
Communist in disguise. If you don’t support my bill you support communism. Just like you said their are only two options. Either you are a communist or a buffoon. My proposal is perfect.

That is not what he said at all. He quorum raided commend TCB, something a true communist would do, for sure.

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