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Postby Kandorith » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:21 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Refuge Isle wrote:The vote is not losing because of World Assembly Elite baddies, it's losing because it's 284 characters of low quality writing.

I think we're supposed to be the baddies. It's been made clear more than once that those who voted against are godless communists. While I think that sounds fun, the author clearly does not think so.


The same old song. Well I guess we're communists now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Tameside » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:01 am

I voted Against

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Postby Daarwyrth » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:11 am

Kandorith wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I think we're supposed to be the baddies. It's been made clear more than once that those who voted against are godless communists. While I think that sounds fun, the author clearly does not think so.


The same old song. Well I guess we're communists now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well, in that case I'm a proud communist :P no, but seriously, it is such a pity to see that people can't take a loss these days, and have to shout "fraud" or "corruption" when a vote didn't go their way. I get that the author really wanted to see this pass, but if they didn't put in the work to actually write something worthwhile and solid, then they shouldn't be surprised that they're losing the vote. It's literally their own fault that this is flopping xD
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Postby Alakofinmana » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:14 am

Cokoland wrote:
Saperetia wrote:Idk, a troll prob.

Probably somebody from The Communist Bloc was being "mean" to them, so they decided to make this proposal to get "revenge".

lol

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Postby Sucy » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:17 am

corruption is when people vote on your proposal. if nobody voted, there would be no corruption. delete the WA now

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Sucy wrote:delete the WA now

Based
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Postby Tsaivao » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:49 am

Kavagrad wrote:
Sucy wrote:delete the WA now

Based

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Postby Adab » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:32 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:My Ban has been lifted. Some things to note. This vote is flawed. WA delegates greatly skew the votes. And for those who say that the individuals against are still greater. Many regions require a unanimous vote for the majority view within a region and others feel pressure to vote with their delegate. If this was truly a democratic election, I would win by a lot.


With all due respect, regardless of whether or not this proposal passes, it does not even deserve to be and should never have been brought to a vote in the first place. I suggest you take a look at the resolutions which have been passed and come back next time with something more detailed and comprehensive.

In principle I am still open to voting for a condemnation of The Communist Bloc. I voted against particular proposal because this is so half-heartedly and badly written. If this is a joke proposal, it's not even a good one in my opinion.
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Postby Ohpistan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:36 pm

Adab wrote:If this is a joke proposal, it's not even a good one in my opinion.

You should not be judging this proposal by its length, but by its quality. For shame.

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Postby Adab » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:40 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Adab wrote:If this is a joke proposal, it's not even a good one in my opinion.

You should not be judging this proposal by its length, but by its quality. For shame.


In my humble opinion, this proposal has no quality at all.
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Postby Sorianora » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:40 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Adab wrote:If this is a joke proposal, it's not even a good one in my opinion.

You should not be judging this proposal by its length, but by its quality. For shame.

How about both? It’s short, and not of good quality
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:40 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Adab wrote:If this is a joke proposal, it's not even a good one in my opinion.

You should not be judging this proposal by its length, but by its quality. For shame.

I'm anti-communist and would love to see the region condemned, but this resolution is terrible.
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Postby Ohpistan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:44 pm

Doofstonian wrote:Due to pressure from other regions and the realization of the proposals laziness in writing, my country and region have withdrawn our votes from the proposal.

My country stands against communism but won’t endorse proposals without reasoning too.

Thank you to those who telegrammed me with information on the situation.


Doofstonian, I understand your reasons, and wish you all the best.

To the rest of you, let a region make their own decisions, and stop pressuring them into approving of your own policy goals.
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Postby Adab » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:44 pm

And let me just add that while I don't believe in a strict minimum for resolution length, I do think it is inevitable for - and should be expected of - a proper resolution to be at least a little bit longer than this one. This proposal, as it stands now, does not even begin to explain or offer the barest of proof for its statements.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:08 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Doofstonian wrote:Due to pressure from other regions and the realization of the proposals laziness in writing, my country and region have withdrawn our votes from the proposal.

My country stands against communism but won’t endorse proposals without reasoning too.

Thank you to those who telegrammed me with information on the situation.


Doofstonian, I understand your reasons, and wish you all the best.

To the rest of you, let a region make their own decisions, and stop pressuring them into approving of your own policy goals.

Weren't your sympathisers literally telegramming individual nations to change their 'against' vote to 'for? Monkchester literally admitted doing that multiple times, or have you forgotten already? So, it's fine if you try to convince people to vote your way, but others can't campaign against you? That sounds rather despotic.
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Postby Rost Dreadnorramus » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:19 pm

Be nice if it passed.
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Postby Cynetia » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:20 pm

Honestly, I originally voted against, but they got me on my last nerve. They kept suggesting this "cOoOl And goOD" proposal. They sound like such fucking cloutchasers. Glad I changed my vote.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:08 pm

Cynetia wrote:Honestly, I originally voted against, but they got me on my last nerve. They kept suggesting this "cOoOl And goOD" proposal. They sound like such fucking cloutchasers. Glad I changed my vote.

Who's "they?" TCB?
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Postby Ohpistan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:17 pm

Daarwyrth wrote:Weren't your sympathisers literally telegramming individual nations to change their 'against' vote to 'for?


From the perspectives I've heard it from, Monkchester's telegrams compared to the pressure on Doofstonian were very mild. They were writing telegrams to encourage them to vote for fun. Now, compare 'encourage' to 'pressure'. Now if y'all had encouraged Doofstonian to change their vote, that would have been fine (something that both sides have been doing). But again, the pressures from the bigger delegates appear to have more weight than a noble opinion.

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Postby Tsaivao » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:28 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:Weren't your sympathisers literally telegramming individual nations to change their 'against' vote to 'for?


From the perspectives I've heard it from, Monkchester's telegrams compared to the pressure on Doofstonian were very mild. They were writing telegrams to encourage them to vote for fun. Now, compare 'encourage' to 'pressure'. Now if y'all had encouraged Doofstonian to change their vote, that would have been fine (something that both sides have been doing). But again, the pressures from the bigger delegates appear to have more weight than a noble opinion.

I hardly see how there's much of a difference. If there was actual harassments, that's something that Doofstonian could report if they desired. We're just arguing about the pedantic usage of "pressure." By all means, there's no rule stating that people can't be disappointed in their delegate for voting a proposal one way or the other; it is the responsibility of a delegate to represent the will of their constituents, and if that pressure results in changing their vote, then that's perfectly fine.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:29 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Doofstonian wrote:Due to pressure from other regions and the realization of the proposals laziness in writing, my country and region have withdrawn our votes from the proposal.

My country stands against communism but won’t endorse proposals without reasoning too.

Thank you to those who telegrammed me with information on the situation.


Doofstonian, I understand your reasons, and wish you all the best.

To the rest of you, let a region make their own decisions, and stop pressuring them into approving of your own policy goals.

He was referring to campaign telegrams, and if you're asking campaigning to be de-normalized, get out of here.
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Postby Ohpistan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:33 pm

Tsaivao wrote:
Ohpistan wrote:
From the perspectives I've heard it from, Monkchester's telegrams compared to the pressure on Doofstonian were very mild. They were writing telegrams to encourage them to vote for fun. Now, compare 'encourage' to 'pressure'. Now if y'all had encouraged Doofstonian to change their vote, that would have been fine (something that both sides have been doing). But again, the pressures from the bigger delegates appear to have more weight than a noble opinion.

I hardly see how there's much of a difference. If there was actual harassments, that's something that Doofstonian could report if they desired. We're just arguing about the pedantic usage of "pressure." By all means, there's no rule stating that people can't be disappointed in their delegate for voting a proposal one way or the other; it is the responsibility of a delegate to represent the will of their constituents, and if that pressure results in changing their vote, then that's perfectly fine.


Ohhh ok, cool! Thanks for clarifying!

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Postby Hverland » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:35 pm

Despite Hverland strong opposition to the Communist Bloc, we have withdrawn our vote in support of the condemnation due to many of the issues fellow ambassadors have raised.
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Postby Cynetia » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:36 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Cynetia wrote:Honestly, I originally voted against, but they got me on my last nerve. They kept suggesting this "cOoOl And goOD" proposal. They sound like such fucking cloutchasers. Glad I changed my vote.

Who's "they?" TCB?

Yes, I mean the Communist Bloc.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:38 pm

Cynetia wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Who's "they?" TCB?

Yes, I mean the Communist Bloc.

If you see the thread for that proposal, and read towards the end, you will see that this resolution was not meant to be serious. Also, it failed to reach quorum, anyways.
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