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Postby New Astri » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:17 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Then why do you support it?

I'm a free thinker. If it hasn't been removed by moderation or deemed illegal, then it seems that there is some serious thought put into this resolution. You don't wish to consider due to its simplicity. Overlook that, even for a second, and as a consequentalist, you'll understand the effectiveness of it all.


I would less call it "simple" and more call it "poorly thought out, barely legal, and deeply subpar compared to just about every proposal that has ever been passed." Not being removed by mods or deemed illegal is the bare minimum--it doesn't mean the proposal is well thought out or particularly logically valid.
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Postby Hiram Land » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:17 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:This proposal is on track for beating the record of most hated proposal on vote. Many large delegates such as Zukchiva, IA, and McMasterdonia still haven't voted yet.

Place your bets. 4 to 1 odds they will vote against.

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Postby Kavagrad » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:18 pm

The silent majority all went to bed early.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:18 pm

Hiram Land wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:This proposal is on track for beating the record of most hated proposal on vote. Many large delegates such as Zukchiva, IA, and McMasterdonia still haven't voted yet.

Place your bets. 4 to 1 odds they will vote against.

Not sure if IA is even gonna vote on it.
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Postby Ohpistan » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:18 pm

Hiram Land wrote:
Ohpistan wrote:The very idea of 'good' is subjective. Let's take this from an outsider's perspective. What would happen if this resolution were passed? Other than the Communist Bloc being condemned by a resolution authored by a small author (minimal negative impact), it's mainly symbolic. Based on that reasoning, it received my vote.

For that same reason, a vote against or a non vote would suffice. It'll just give a badge to a region and that's it. The author thought it would cause something beyond that (from looking at their posts it looked like he implied such) and frankly it's just a piece of code. A condemnation is worthless frankly and I rather waste my time voting against.

EXACTLY!! What do you have to lose? Quite literally nothing. Consider it symbolic, or consider it low impact - you negate simply because you don't wish to entertain the thought in your mind.

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:18 pm

If any of you all have doubts, see here:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1515523
This would show that the at vote proposal is absolutely garbage.
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The Nantorakan government would like to express their concerns about all the pedophiles lurking in this market. There's so much grease and body oil in the offers being made, that you could fry chicken in it. We strongly advise wearing a mask when making deals because the strong smell of kid-diddler permeates the air like a dead, fermenting animal.

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Postby New Astri » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:19 pm

It currently has a 4.7% "for" vote. Yeah, this one might be setting a most-hated proposal record.
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Postby Hiram Land » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:19 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Hiram Land wrote:For that same reason, a vote against or a non vote would suffice. It'll just give a badge to a region and that's it. The author thought it would cause something beyond that (from looking at their posts it looked like he implied such) and frankly it's just a piece of code. A condemnation is worthless frankly and I rather waste my time voting against.

EXACTLY!! What do you have to lose? Quite literally nothing. Consider it symbolic, or consider it low impact - you negate simply because you don't wish to entertain the thought in your mind.

I have entertained it. It's useless enough to vote against and it's worthless to keep thinking about it, so you're right on one part.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:20 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Then why do you support it?

I'm a free thinker. If it hasn't been removed by moderation or deemed illegal, then it seems that there is some serious thought put into this resolution. You don't wish to consider due to its simplicity. Overlook that, even for a second, and as a consequentalist, you'll understand the effectiveness of it all.

legal =/= good. You aren't being some philosophical "free-thinker" for just supporting something 'cause your buddy wrote it.
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Postby Gagium » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:20 pm

Full support, we can’t let The Communist Bloc get away with holding their citizens hostage while keeping them within their HORRIFYING walls >:( >:( >:(
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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:20 pm

Kavagrad wrote:The silent majority all went to bed early.

The Silent Majority has to go to church in the morning unlike you godless fools. They will come sunday afternoon.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:20 pm

Hiram Land wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:This proposal is on track for beating the record of most hated proposal on vote. Many large delegates such as Zukchiva, IA, and McMasterdonia still haven't voted yet.

Place your bets. 4 to 1 odds they will vote against.

You really think that little of them?
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Postby Tsaivao » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:22 pm

Ohpistan wrote:
Hiram Land wrote:For that same reason, a vote against or a non vote would suffice. It'll just give a badge to a region and that's it. The author thought it would cause something beyond that (from looking at their posts it looked like he implied such) and frankly it's just a piece of code. A condemnation is worthless frankly and I rather waste my time voting against.

EXACTLY!! What do you have to lose? Quite literally nothing. Consider it symbolic, or consider it low impact - you negate simply because you don't wish to entertain the thought in your mind.

It sets a bad precedent of being able to submit lazy proposals to the SC with no thought or research. Half of the claims made in the proposal aren't even true. If we're just gonna make SC proposals random spitroasts and shitposts against people we have beef with, then we could just do that on a forum or discord, no?

Plus some people are into this stuff for the roleplay aspect. And many others are interested in well-crafted, well-researched proposals that can actually do good for everybody.
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Postby Hiram Land » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:22 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Hiram Land wrote:Place your bets. 4 to 1 odds they will vote against.

You really think that little of them?

I don't know! I'm not some gambler bets guy lol

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:23 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Ohpistan wrote:I'm a free thinker. If it hasn't been removed by moderation or deemed illegal, then it seems that there is some serious thought put into this resolution. You don't wish to consider due to its simplicity. Overlook that, even for a second, and as a consequentalist, you'll understand the effectiveness of it all.

legal =/= good. You aren't being some philosophical "free-thinker" for just supporting something 'cause your buddy wrote it.

For example, "Commend Valentine Z" is a beautiful proposal but also illegal.
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Atheris wrote:0/10. Using this fifth glyph in casual talk is not only inimical, but also shows that human minds act not of individual thoughts but of compulsory will by a dug-in aristocracy.
Atheris wrote:*pulls out anime weapons*
weeaboo mode!
*screams in depression and existential dread*
Nantoraka wrote:
The Nantorakan government would like to express their concerns about all the pedophiles lurking in this market. There's so much grease and body oil in the offers being made, that you could fry chicken in it. We strongly advise wearing a mask when making deals because the strong smell of kid-diddler permeates the air like a dead, fermenting animal.

News: Former Elite President Pæta Marlín joins the cult of Yahlia, calling it his "sexual and spiritual awakening".

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Postby MiltonFriedmanlandia » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:23 pm

Tsaivao wrote: And many others are interested in well-crafted, well-researched proposals that can actually do good for everybody.

This well do good though

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Postby Kavagrad » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:23 pm

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Kavagrad wrote:The silent majority all went to bed early.

The Silent Majority has to go to church in the morning unlike you godless fools. They will come sunday afternoon.

Gonna say it before the pile-on, this has been a wonderful shitpost, mate. Thanks for sticking something well needed up the people that actually take the WA seriously, it's been hilarious to watch.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:23 pm

Tsaivao wrote:
Ohpistan wrote:EXACTLY!! What do you have to lose? Quite literally nothing. Consider it symbolic, or consider it low impact - you negate simply because you don't wish to entertain the thought in your mind.

It sets a bad precedent of being able to submit lazy proposals to the SC with no thought or research. Half of the claims made in the proposal aren't even true. If we're just gonna make SC proposals random spitroasts and shitposts against people we have beef with, then we could just do that on a forum or discord, no?

Plus some people are into this stuff for the roleplay aspect. And many others are interested in well-crafted, well-researched proposals that can actually do good for everybody.

You can just write any proposal jumping on a bandwagon like "communism bad" or "raiders bad" and get someone to send a million telegrams to rubber-stamp approvers and get it to vote no matter how low quality it is.
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Postby Monkchester » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:23 pm

Keep in mind that the early vote is likely to be nations who were prepared for this. We are currently only losing 107-33 in the individual nations vote. I am confident that we will turn the tide in the individual nation vote.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:24 pm

Monkchester wrote:Keep in mind that the early vote is likely to be nations who were prepared for this. We are currently only losing 107-33 in the individual nations vote. I am confident that we will turn the tide in the individual nation vote.

It doesn't matter, the WA elite controls a large part of the vote.
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Atheris wrote:0/10. Using this fifth glyph in casual talk is not only inimical, but also shows that human minds act not of individual thoughts but of compulsory will by a dug-in aristocracy.
Atheris wrote:*pulls out anime weapons*
weeaboo mode!
*screams in depression and existential dread*
Nantoraka wrote:
The Nantorakan government would like to express their concerns about all the pedophiles lurking in this market. There's so much grease and body oil in the offers being made, that you could fry chicken in it. We strongly advise wearing a mask when making deals because the strong smell of kid-diddler permeates the air like a dead, fermenting animal.

News: Former Elite President Pæta Marlín joins the cult of Yahlia, calling it his "sexual and spiritual awakening".

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Postby Hiram Land » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:24 pm

Monkchester wrote:Keep in mind that the early vote is likely to be nations who were prepared for this. We are currently only losing 107-33 in the individual nations vote. I am confident that we will turn the tide in the individual nation vote.

Nah.

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Postby Astrobolt » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:25 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Monkchester wrote:Keep in mind that the early vote is likely to be nations who were prepared for this. We are currently only losing 107-33 in the individual nations vote. I am confident that we will turn the tide in the individual nation vote.

It doesn't matter, the WA elite controls a large part of the vote.


Who are the WA elite? If you mean big delegates, many of them decide their votes democratically based on offsite forums.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:26 pm

Astrobolt wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:It doesn't matter, the WA elite controls a large part of the vote.


Who are the WA elite? If you mean big delegates, many of them decide their votes democratically based on offsite forums.

Yeah, which means that they are going to vote "against".
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Atheris wrote:0/10. Using this fifth glyph in casual talk is not only inimical, but also shows that human minds act not of individual thoughts but of compulsory will by a dug-in aristocracy.
Atheris wrote:*pulls out anime weapons*
weeaboo mode!
*screams in depression and existential dread*
Nantoraka wrote:
The Nantorakan government would like to express their concerns about all the pedophiles lurking in this market. There's so much grease and body oil in the offers being made, that you could fry chicken in it. We strongly advise wearing a mask when making deals because the strong smell of kid-diddler permeates the air like a dead, fermenting animal.

News: Former Elite President Pæta Marlín joins the cult of Yahlia, calling it his "sexual and spiritual awakening".

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Postby Eumaeus » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:28 pm

Monkchester wrote:Keep in mind that the early vote is likely to be nations who were prepared for this. We are currently only losing 107-33 in the individual nations vote. I am confident that we will turn the tide in the individual nation vote.

Buddy, friend, pal... I was not joking before. This is not the proposal to throw away your credibility on. Any effort that you expense upon this draft from this moment forward (well honestly any effort you've already expensed on this) will have been a complete waste of effort. That's a damn shame.
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