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Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:58 pm**

IMPORTANT NOTE: I am not the author of this proposal, nor do I support it. This repeal was authored by Noahs Second Country and there was no drafting thread. As of 4:57 am GMT, this proposal has 43 approvals.

The Security Council,

Conscious of the fact that the nation of Northern Borland is indeed an inspiration to many nations around the multiverse who may celebrate policies such as open markets and gun ownership,

Observing that, despite this fact, the resolution responsible for Northern Borland’s commendation is flawed and uncouth, totally misrepresenting the staid, consistent nature of those who vote on resolutions,

Not entirely understanding the resolution’s glorification of the following:
Obesity and consumption of unhealthy foods, while the health problems associated with such practices are not mentioned at all,
Lack of child labor and child gambling restrictions, which may contribute to extreme levels of youth crime and general rudeness,
A high rate of secularism in East Borland, yet also the heavily religious society of Deep South Borland,
Destruction of the environment, despite praising Deep South Borland’s incredible environment,
Dreading the dangerous precedent set by the adoration of such policies, which may result in future recognition of other dangerous nations, scarring the meaning of a commendation,

Emphasizing the many occurrences of the informal and openly sarcastic language used throughout the proposal, such as:
The observation that nations are “jumping with joy” over Northern Borland’s extremely high death rate due to the profitability of niche industries that only exist as a result of unfortunate circumstances,
Irrelevant details such as the “fashionable” nature of business suits,
Various disrespectful descriptions of people-groups such as “murderous lunatics” or “infidels,"
Vague claims, such as East Borland “breaking multiple stereotypes” or linking a lack of courts with low crime rates, but not explaining the correlation,
Making a note of Northern Borland’s widespread influence over like-minded nations who wreak havoc on their citizens in pursuit of economic gain, which largely outweighs any positive influences the Borland nations may provide,

Nervously hoping the thousands of votes that went in favor of the commendation without considering the points listed above will be rethought, enabling the Security Council to once again be free of unsophisticated drivel,

Hereby Repeals SC#342, “Commend Northern Borland”.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:59 pm**

Unimaginative, lazy and boring. Strong against.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:17 pm**

Making a note that if Northern Borland is deemed worthy of any form of recognition by this enlightened body in the near future, it shall be a condemnation for their overwhelmingly disappointing and widespread influence over like-minded nations who wreak havoc on their citizens in pursuit of economic gain

This might be a Rule 1e violation. Repeals can only repeal; they cannot, for example, commit to a future condemnation. One could argue this clause conditionally mandates such a commitment.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:26 pm**

Honeydewistania wrote:Unimaginative, lazy and boring. Strong against.

Shockingly, someone probably isn't going to repeal your resolution the way you want them to.

Wrapper wrote:
Making a note that if Northern Borland is deemed worthy of any form of recognition by this enlightened body in the near future, it shall be a condemnation for their overwhelmingly disappointing and widespread influence over like-minded nations who wreak havoc on their citizens in pursuit of economic gain

This might be a Rule 1e violation. Repeals can only repeal; they cannot, for example, commit to a future condemnation. One could argue this clause conditionally mandates such a commitment.

Yeah, I was a little worried about that line after submitting.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:30 pm**

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Unimaginative, lazy and boring. Strong against.
Shockingly, someone probably isn't going to repeal your resolution the way you want them to.

That's probably right. But you could make your life easier if you did

Posted: **Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:06 am**

Wrapper wrote:
Making a note that if Northern Borland is deemed worthy of any form of recognition by this enlightened body in the near future, it shall be a condemnation for their overwhelmingly disappointing and widespread influence over like-minded nations who wreak havoc on their citizens in pursuit of economic gain

This might be a Rule 1e violation. Repeals can only repeal; they cannot, for example, commit to a future condemnation. One could argue this clause conditionally mandates such a commitment.

Agreed.

Posted: **Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:39 am**

Can a repeal not recommend a condemnation, or reference one being written?

Posted: **Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:12 am**

Depends on the strength of the language. "it shall be a condemnation" was too strong; it's legislating a prohibition on a future Commendation being passed.

Posted: **Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:37 am**

Sedgistan wrote:Depends on the strength of the language. "it shall be a condemnation" was too strong; it's legislating a prohibition on a future Commendation being passed.

Would "should" or "ought" be an acceptable replacement?

Posted: **Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:14 pm**

Are the 2 active clauses that do the same thing legal? Or is it only if two seperate resolutions do the same thing? ~~ignore me clutching at straws, I was really excited to try and do my first SCR and I actually thought it was good.~~

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:55 am**

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:25 am**

Now in queue

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:46 pm**

Getting a head start this time before the resolution goes up for vote.

The United Regions Alliance recommends that members vote against this repeal. During internal voting, 3 regions voted in favour of the repeal, 5 regions voted against, and 3 abstained. For more detailed reasoning, please see the dispatch below.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1507901

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:46 pm**

Voted against. While there is an argument that can be said about repealing this commendation (considering of course many of the stats NB has are viewed as "undesirable" or "negative"), the component of this commendation is based on their work building up their stats (even of course, they are mostly negative). The humorous style of the commendation is also a plus.

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:00 pm**

The North Pacific Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote Against the at-vote proposal, and our delegate has voted accordingly. For further information on our stance, please view our IFV dispatch here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1507906

Posted: **Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:45 pm**

I vote against. I recommend you vote against. We cannot willingly commit Rule 1E violations.

Posted: **Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:49 pm**

Murtialand wrote:I vote against. I recommend you vote against. We cannot willingly commit Rule 1E violations.

The issue was resolved and the proposal resubmitted.

Posted: **Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:59 pm**

Murtialand wrote:I vote against. I recommend you vote against. We cannot willingly commit Rule 1E violations.

I voted against myself but that isn't a valid reason now as Noah already mentioned and resolved.

Posted: **Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:45 am**

The way I see it, Northern Borland is being commended as a player, not a nation. As such, the fact that NB and the other Borlands have so many high stats is more important than the fact that a lot of those stats are seen as undesirable.

Posted: **Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:22 pm**

Cornfederacy of Corn wrote:The way I see it, Northern Borland is being commended as a player, not a nation. As such, the fact that NB and the other Borlands have so many high stats is more important than the fact that a lot of those stats are seen as undesirable.

But in the proposal to commend said North Borland, things such as the ideologies and negative properties were listed in a way that portrayed them as accomplishments, I agree that North Borland is certainly an important player in NS but the things such as child labor are abhorant and can not be recognized as anything else.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:18 pm**

Repeal "Commend Northern Borland" was passed 8,324 votes to 5,799.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:19 pm**

Honeydewistania wrote:Repeal "Commend Northern Borland" was passed 8,324 votes to 5,799.

Aww man, there goes the end of your NB journey.

Posted: **Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:20 am**

Strange to have a proposal thread with only 23 posts, only one of which explicitly supports the passed repeal. Also somewhat funny to have the author of the repealed resolution as the OP of the thread despite being vocally opposed.

Thanks to all who voted for this resolution.

Posted: **Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:22 am**

Noahs Second Country wrote:Strange to have a proposal thread with only 23 posts, only one of which explicitly supports the passed repeal. Also somewhat funny to have the author of the repealed resolution as the OP of the thread despite being vocally opposed.

Thanks to all who voted for this resolution.

No draft, no comments on the draft

Posted: **Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:55 am**

Noahs Second Country wrote:Strange to have a proposal thread with only 23 posts, only one of which explicitly supports the passed repeal. Also somewhat funny to have the author of the repealed resolution as the OP of the thread despite being vocally opposed.

Thanks to all who voted for this resolution.

TBH I was sick and tired of commenting on the various attempts at Condemn/Commend North Borland. I just asked Dilber to vote “For”. Glad to see it passed.

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