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Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:03 pm**

Texkentuck wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ambassador, perhaps consult a map. Your nation and mine share no borders, and my nation is avowedly not socialist."

oh we have boats and planes....Texkentuck government and people in Texkentuck feel otherwise. Where there is a will their is a way commy....Lol

"You are welcome to whatever delusions you wish."

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:11 pm**

Texkentuck wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"You are welcome to whatever delusions you wish."

DAMN RIGHT I AM.....LOL THE GENERAL IS BRINGING WINTER--------------seriously the general will be talking in the place of I pres. Bram W. Schirkophf-------------------------

"I could not possibly begin to care."

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:17 pm**

"The Holy Empire will not today and probably never support this kind of resolution. The Death Penalty is the highest right of our state, our high priesthood & our oracles. Even if the world assembly looks down on us...
but all the sanctions, maybe even embargoes are a kind of joke. Never-mind, our glorious economic self-sufficiency will helps us in this dark times, we do not really have any trade deals with other nations anyways. The gods are on our side, we will send the murderers, rapist, pedophiles and so on direct to Hades! Either one way or the other..."

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:17 pm**

Separatist Peoples wrote:
The Neolithic German Empire wrote:
"You seem to not be able to listen to anyone (or hear me out) of those who have opposing viewpoints, to the point where you largely ignored everything I have said other than "I refuse". That or you just failed to respond to it. I don't trade with nations outside my region so those fines do little to nothing on me. So feel free."

"I hear you, ambassador. But what you're saying isn't relevant to enforcement. Extant law provides these sanctions. Not me. I'm not threatening you. I'm telling you what is going to happen if you break WA law. Trading with your neighbors doesn't help those assets frozen in member states. Can you sustain an economy on one region only? Possibly. Will it damage your influence and strength on the global arena? Very likely. Has autarky ever actually worked? No.

"As with all things, choice comes with consequence."

"Seeing that region engulfs much of the world (OOC in our roleplay it does anyway) I think I can sustain myself, I have been in relative isolation for most of my nation's history so I have little to no assets in other nations. I also do little to no trading with other nations. This is the first time I have come out of isolation to state that this resolution fails to understand the opposing viewpoint of other nations, those sanctions won't just hit me, it will hit hundreds if not thousands upon thousands of nations. Which I think they would all come together at that point to work around such sanctions or at least one would think. As I have been so quiet on the world stage until now what influence or strength will be lost? As for Autarky I agree it hasn't fully worked, but we have had it since the founding of the nation and while we still are lacking some fields our regional allies more than make up for it. I understand you are not the one threatening me, I am merely annoyed my points were largely circumvented just for the WA to tell me sanctions are coming.

I hold no ill-will towards you or any nation here who supports the ban, I will hold no ill-will to the WA for the sanctions. I just want those who are so adamantly against the death penalty to at least understand why nations have them, and that it isn't always as inhumane as it seems, and that one day the WA will understand and repel this law. That day could take a thousands years but I just want to able to have people understand where we are coming from. I don't see the death penalty greatly nor do I see it negatively. I see it as a absolute necessary evil to those who are the same.

I don't mean to come off as rude or upset and if I have I apologize to everyone here, but I think there has been a gross misunderstanding about why the death penalty is used and who it is used on. That perhaps the original drafter of the resolution didn't know or just simply didn't understand. No hate towards them obviously, with our nation there is no real way to not have the death penalty as i have stated multiple times at this point we don't have prisons, we reform criminals. The problem is when we can't reform criminals like the one I have mentioned and if we can't reform them they have no-where to go besides back to committing crimes. We can and have reformed one time murders, but mass-murders can't really be reformed the same.

We will not be going back to prisons either as we see prisons about as inhumane as people see the death penalty as. Because of that we will accept the sanctions."

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:28 pm**

Interesting

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:56 pm**

"I believe a possible amendment should be made for this resolution so that way it effects only the nations that abuse the death penalty meaning those who use it for only the heinous criminals won't face the same level of those who use it for people just because they happened to blink. I think that is a compromise most parties can agree too. I can agree there are many nations that are inhumane for their use of the death penalty, but at the same time their are just as many nations who use it as a last resort."

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:32 pm**

The Neolithic German Empire wrote:"I believe a possible amendment should be made for this resolution so that way it effects only the nations that abuse the death penalty meaning those who use it for only the heinous criminals won't face the same level of those who use it for people just because they happened to blink. I think that is a compromise most parties can agree too. I can agree there are many nations that are inhumane for their use of the death penalty, but at the same time their are just as many nations who use it as a last resort."

OOC: you can't add amendments in the game. Could be good, but ya just can't. Sorry buddy.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:59 pm**

"This goes against the rights of nations to decide what sentences/penalties to give to an individual that commits a crime"

"fully against"

"som lametnughstan will possibly leave the WA if this is passed"

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:03 pm**

Som Lametnughstan wrote:"This goes against the rights of nations to decide what sentences/penalties to give to an individual that commits a crime"

"fully against"

"som lametnughstan will possibly leave the WA if this is passed"

"I doubt that the World Assembly will be shattered by it's loss."

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:23 pm**

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Som Lametnughstan wrote:"This goes against the rights of nations to decide what sentences/penalties to give to an individual that commits a crime"

"fully against"

"som lametnughstan will possibly leave the WA if this is passed"

"I doubt that the World Assembly will be shattered by it's loss."

Yes, they won't really care.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:07 pm**

Well done! Full support.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:19 pm**

Sigh...henceforth all Kennyite detainees held under suspicion of a capital offense will be "accidentally" referred to our Shoplifting, Jaywalking and Miscellaneous Crimes Division, which is conveniently located completely outside Kennyite (and therefore WA) jurisdiction, on some remote island in The South Pacific which does not even recognize Kennyite presence there. We have legally leased the land from the island's previous government, and the current government (we are certain) does not want us there, but has no means of evicting us, so if any Kennyite detainees held there were to be executed...well, there's really not much they, the WA, or the bickering "human rights" lawyers can do about it. We have reviewed extradition laws adopted by this assembly, and are confident that since no sovereign nation in any of these cases is requesting extradition; our nation itself is by no means extraditing anyone, merely "misplacing" them; and the territory to which these detainees are being...misplaced...is only leased to us and not our sovereign territory...we'll just keep executing all the f*cking prisoners we want. And yes, we know it is standard fare under the regressed, rudimentary "debate" conventions currently enforced here to tell morons like us to "just resign!!!"...but really, "Model WA Club" guys...STFU.

[Oprah voice:} Now everyone, check under your chairs for your NASTY SURPRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISE!!!

(This has been an in-character post.)

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:32 pm**

Left world Assembly freedom

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:34 pm**

Those convicted of extreme crime deserve the most extreme punishment, of death, should we let the breakers of law live? When we can throw them towards the troughs of hell? Let's not ignore and cry out for civil rights, when the lives of others are threathened by those criminals who do nothing but harm.
Full oppose.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:36 pm**

Left world assembly

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:43 pm**

Left world assembly

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:51 pm**

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Sigh...henceforth all Kennyite detainees held under suspicion of a capital offense will be "accidentally" referred to our Shoplifting, Jaywalking and Miscellaneous Crimes Division, which is conveniently located completely outside Kennyite (and therefore WA) jurisdiction, on some remote island in The South Pacific which does not even recognize Kennyite presence there. We have legally leased the land from the island's previous government, and the current government (we are certain) does not want us there, but has no means of evicting us, so if any Kennyite detainees held there were to be executed...well, there's really not much they, the WA, or the bickering "human rights" lawyers can do about it. We have reviewed extradition laws adopted by this assembly, and are confident that since no sovereign nation in any of these cases is requesting extradition; our nation itself is by no means extraditing anyone, merely "misplacing" them; and the territory to which these detainees are being...misplaced...is only leased to us and not our sovereign territory...we'll just keep executing all the f*cking prisoners we want.

I would imagine that the provision in GA 197 'Banning Extrajudicial Transfer' would apply. It states:

HEREBY bans in all member nations the willful, knowledgeable transfer of any individual from a member nation to another jurisdiction by an individual, organization, or member state for the purposes of denying or violating any of the political or civil rights that are guaranteed to that individual in the jurisdiction of the member state by law.

While one might argue that leased land is within a nation's jurisdiction, admissions against interest seem to contradict that, specifically the Misc Crimes Div being 'conveniently located completely outside Kennyite (and therefore WA) jurisdiction'. The purpose of the transfer, also based on admissions against interest, fulfils the wilful requirement.

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:08 am**

Left the world assembly freedom

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:22 am**

I'm not sure if you can call it willful, Ambassador. Have you ever dealt with Kennyite bureaucracy? If y'all think regular joe average Kennyites are dumb, you should meet the ones they use to staff their various governmemt bureaucracies. Just plain dumb is an understatement. Those poor saps are lucky to walk around corners without assistance or hurting themselves.

See you in the funny papers,
Philo Simeon
Deputy Ambassador

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:46 am**

Texkentuck wrote:Left the world assembly freedom

You seem to keep repeating yourself, old bean. So I don't know if you're bragging or stating a fact. However if you really are leaving the Festering Snakepit, then may I have your paper clips, gumbands, and staples from your office. I'm running low, and I have a couple of column deadlines coming up.

See you in the funny papers,
Philo Simeon
Deputy Ambassador

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:07 am**

Texkentuck wrote:Left the world assembly freedom

"You will not be missed, but at least you have the decency to resign rather than refuse to comply."

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:14 am**

Texkentuck wrote:Left world assembly

*** Warned for Forum Spam ***
The point of this thread is to debate the proposal in question, not to tell everyone that you left the WA.

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:54 am**

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Texkentuck wrote:Left the world assembly freedom

"You will not be missed, but at least you have the decency to resign rather than refuse to comply."

“Ambassador it’s not refusing to comply its creative compliance. We have an entire department just for the purposes of loopholes and exploiting them”

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:10 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"You will not be missed, but at least you have the decency to resign rather than refuse to comply."

“Ambassador it’s not refusing to comply its creative compliance. We have an entire department just for the purposes of loopholes and exploiting them”

Bell smiles and nods." Indeed, I'm familiar with creative compliance. However, I am not sure of any good faith interpretation here that would allow executions, even couched in terms of creative compliance."

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:12 am**

As an orderly and decent nation, we cannot possibly allow criminals, whose crimes were rightfully and thoughtfully proven run around. Some of them must me executed- for the good of he people, Religion and our Democracy. However, caring about our international relations, we cannot leave the World Assembly for good- the consequences can be dire. Seeing no other way, the High Council of Laka Strolistandiler hereby takes a full oppose on this declaration and declares, that from now on Perpetual War on Crime is now reaffirmed as a full-scale military conflict, at the same time all of crimes, punishable by death are now qualified as a military penal code, yet will continue to be judged by civilian judges. (With some exceptions, of course)

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