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Hexxon votes AGAINST the Death Penalty Ban.

While the government of Hexxon is strongly against the usage of the death penalty, we believe that a total ban on it is misguided and does not account for certain exceptional scenarios such as the perpetrators of mass homicides or violent inmates who pose a liability to the detention facilities in which they reside. In such cases, in the interest of public safety and national security, execution may be prescribed. Beyond that, this proposal restricts the state's ability to set their own policy regarding the enforcement of their law.

We hold the belief that state prescribed execution must be reserved for the most exceptional of criminal cases and that it should not be used liberally. Although we are against this ban, Hexxon will continue to uphold justice and the universal rights of all persons within our sphere of influence.

The Private Academy of Hyakkaou-Gakuen votes against this proposal. It is the right, and will, of a state to punish those as they see fit, as long as it does not breach human rights regulations. Even if it did breach human rights regulations, the Assembly has no right to intervene in the punishment of crime without due process. The fact that this Assembly believes this proposal to be valid is found to be quite absurd. Thus, we oppose this notion.

Hyakkaou wrote:The Private Academy of Hyakkaou-Gakuen votes against this proposal. It is the right, and will, of a state to punish those as they see fit, as long as it does not breach human rights regulations. Even if it did breach human rights regulations, the Assembly has no right to intervene in the punishment of crime without due process. The fact that this Assembly believes this proposal to be valid is found to be quite absurd. Thus, we oppose this notion.

"Legislative act is due process in this case, ambassador."

THE REPUBLIC OF LACUMA
Statement on the World Assembly Death Penalty Ban Resolution

The Republic of Lacuma recognizes the cruelty of the death penalty, and has found there to be no apparent correlation between crime deterrence and and state executions. Having recently outlawed the tradition of the death penalty in Lacuma, the Republic remains committed to its standard of social progress.

While the Republic of Lacuma supports those foreign nations whose governments seek to ban the death penalty in their country, Lacuma also recognizes the World Assembly resolution at vote violates the sovereignty of WA-member nations in governing and reforming their judicial systems. Because of this infringement upon the sovereignty of WA-member nations, Lacuma cannot support a World Assembly-mandated (and presumably enforced) ban on state executions.

Although it is true that WA-member nations enter into the World Assembly voluntarily, and therefore voluntarily submit themselves to the resolutions passed by the World Assembly, such a measure as banning the death penalty calls into question any sovereignty a member nation has in governing its own judicial system.

Amazing

Texkentuck wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Legislative act is due process in this case, ambassador."

President Schirkoph blows cigar smoke and points cigar in your direction with his ambassadors and staff and shouts in the direction of Hyaskkaou "Unnoted Communist" !!!! and flicks a red note towards the direction and it lands on the floor. The World Assembly sees what the note says......

Ambassador Bell ignores the card and ignores Mr. Schirkoph's petulant behavior, having better things to do than engage in gamesmanship with an inconsequential delegation.

Lacuma wrote:THE REPUBLIC OF LACUMA
Statement on the World Assembly Death Penalty Ban Resolution

The Republic of Lacuma recognizes the cruelty of the death penalty, and has found there to be no apparent correlation between crime deterrence and and state executions. Having recently outlawed the tradition of the death penalty in Lacuma, the Republic remains committed to its standard of social progress.

While the Republic of Lacuma supports those foreign nations whose governments seek to ban the death penalty in their country, Lacuma also recognizes the World Assembly resolution at vote violates the sovereignty of WA-member nations in governing and reforming their judicial systems. Because of this infringement upon the sovereignty of WA-member nations, Lacuma cannot support a World Assembly-mandated (and presumably enforced) ban on state executions.

Although it is true that WA-member nations enter into the World Assembly voluntarily, and therefore voluntarily submit themselves to the resolutions passed by the World Assembly, such a measure as banning the death penalty calls into question any sovereignty a member nation has in governing its own judicial system.

"Is not the remedy for such sovereign violations resignation? Any nation aggrieved by efforts to protect the innocent are always able to resign. Electing to remain is the choice of a government, and that government therefore bears any burden of sovereign overreach."

The Kingdom of Bautizar believes there is inherent conflict between this resolution and General Assembly Resolution #443 ("Preventing The Execution Of Innocents"). We find it curious that the author of Resolution #443 would somehow forget that that legislation remained in force, when they now propose an outright ban on capital punishment.

Bautizar wrote:The Kingdom of Bautizar believes there is inherent conflict between this resolution and General Assembly Resolution #443 ("Preventing The Execution Of Innocents"). We find it curious that the author of Resolution #443 would somehow forget that that legislation remained in force, when they now propose an outright ban on capital punishment.

OOC: There is no conflict. GAR#443 does not affirmatively ban capital punishment, nor does it protect its legality.

Ambassador M'bappe leaves the room, driving to the local football pitch.

Should this pass, as it seems likely to do, Elwher will be automatically drafting all criminals accused of capital offenses and trying their cases in military courts. Their terms of service will end upon being found not guilty or at the execution of their sentences.

Elwher wrote:Should this pass, as it seems likely to do, Elwher will be automatically drafting all criminals accused of capital offenses and trying their cases in military courts. Their terms of service will end upon being found not guilty or at the execution of their sentences.

"Interesting due process you have. Crimes committed prior to drafting would fall under civilian jurisdiction, I'd imagine. Otherwise, deliberate bad faith application of law would run you into trouble with the Compliance Commission."

Texkentuck wrote::clap:

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Ambassador Bell ignores the card and ignores Mr. Schirkoph's petulant behavior, having better things to do than engage in gamesmanship with an inconsequential delegation.



"Is not the remedy for such sovereign violations resignation? Any nation aggrieved by efforts to protect the innocent are always able to resign. Electing to remain is the choice of a government, and that government therefore bears any burden of sovereign overreach."

Resign, that's petty. I would rather stay and vote when I want and find the loop holes and go wild throwing unnoted communist cards and blowing cigar smoke and being the joy of this World Assembly. Everyone in my circle please stand and sing the Texkentuck National Anthem. A member of the presidents staff walks around passing out cards with Anthem. Abruptly with disregard to interruption etc. They sing and finish with blowing of viking horn. President Schirkophf draws his weapon a walther ppk and starts waving it around and then puts it away at the end of the national anthem and shouts HOT DOG. Then someone on his staff brings him a Texkentuck Royal coke and hotdog. Now life is good.

Bell vaguely makes out some noise in the distance, but otherwise notes nothing of importance.

"We the German People, will reject this resolution and even if it passes we will refuse to recognizes the legitimacy of it. The death penalty is by all means a cruel end, and we believe reformation is possible for most. However there are monsters in this world and people you are unable to reform we reserve the death penalty to those monsters. The mass-murders, cult-leaders, rapist, and what ever other heinous crime I have failed to mention. We are a deeply religious nation it is against our morals to kill we try to give our criminals a path to redeem themselves to the point where we don't have any prisons, but to the monsters out there we kill in the most humane and quickest way we can.

I also am of the belief that the death penalty is up to the nations to decide the use of, and shouldn't be enforced by the world assembly because at the end of the day you don't know the problems or reasons of other nations, what might be seen as an ultimate evil to you or me can be seen as the opposite as well. Just as to wage war is a horrible action it sometimes has to be a necessary one for the ultimate good."

Reunited Rome wrote:I will vote against.
Like, what the hell? This shouldn't be even in the voting floor.
I bet it was approved just because a delegate wrote it.

This proposal also bans a game mechanic which is a POLICY. A policy.
This breaks GA rules.

Too bad you guys are getting absolutely turded on in the vote

The Neolithic German Empire wrote:"We the German People, will reject this resolution and even if it passes we will refuse to recognizes the legitimacy of it. The death penalty is by all means a cruel end, and we believe reformation is possible for most. However there are monsters in this world and people you are unable to reform we reserve the death penalty to those monsters. The mass-murders, cult-leaders, rapist, and what ever other heinous crime I have failed to mention. We are a deeply religious nation it is against our morals to kill we try to give our criminals a path to redeem themselves to the point where we don't have any prisons, but to the monsters out there we kill in the most humane and quickest way we can.

I also am of the belief that the death penalty is up to the nations to decide the use of, and shouldn't be enforced by the world assembly because at the end of the day you don't know the problems or reasons of other nations, what might be seen as an ultimate evil to you or me can be seen as the opposite as well. Just as to wage war is a horrible action it sometimes has to be a necessary one for the ultimate good."

"Then you will be coercively fined per the ACA until you comply. Failure to pay will obligate all WA nations to impose the strictest sanctions available. That seems a high price for execution."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

The Neolithic German Empire wrote:"We the German People, will reject this resolution and even if it passes we will refuse to recognizes the legitimacy of it. The death penalty is by all means a cruel end, and we believe reformation is possible for most. However there are monsters in this world and people you are unable to reform we reserve the death penalty to those monsters. The mass-murders, cult-leaders, rapist, and what ever other heinous crime I have failed to mention. We are a deeply religious nation it is against our morals to kill we try to give our criminals a path to redeem themselves to the point where we don't have any prisons, but to the monsters out there we kill in the most humane and quickest way we can.

I also am of the belief that the death penalty is up to the nations to decide the use of, and shouldn't be enforced by the world assembly because at the end of the day you don't know the problems or reasons of other nations, what might be seen as an ultimate evil to you or me can be seen as the opposite as well. Just as to wage war is a horrible action it sometimes has to be a necessary one for the ultimate good."

"Then you will be coercively fined per the ACA until you comply. Failure to pay will obligate all WA nations to impose the strictest sanctions available. That seems a high price for execution."

"I will gladly accept that price then! Because all you are doing is showing your support for monsters."

The Neolithic German Empire wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Then you will be coercively fined per the ACA until you comply. Failure to pay will obligate all WA nations to impose the strictest sanctions available. That seems a high price for execution."

"I will gladly accept that price then! Because all you are doing is showing your support for monsters."

"Your willingness to absorb sanctions to carry out human rights abuses is disturbing to say the least, Ambassador."

"While you're at it I don't know how many nation's practice the death penalty but I would at least say a sizeable portion of the World Assembly does, so all this resolution does is alienate those nations, if the death penalty for mass-murders is a horrible breech of civil rights, then why don't you write up a resolution to ban prisons, it won't effect me in any-way because I already have them banned but prisons seem just as oppressive. I would also go on to say having a life-sentence in prison is worse than a quick and humane death. Think about the horrors people see, they do something monstrous at 24 and have to stay in prison until they die, even when they are of 80 years of age. All that does is drive up suicide."

Greater Cesnica wrote:

The Neolithic German Empire wrote:
"I will gladly accept that price then! Because all you are doing is showing your support for monsters."

"Your willingness to absorb sanctions to carry out human rights abuses is disturbing to say the least, Ambassador."

"I will give you an example of a man we killed. Aged 43 killed an entire family and did unspeakable things to their daughter. I will ask you if you think he is remotely capable of being reformed, when we went to arrested him he tried to fire on our officers with one being wounded in the process, he was taken down luckily enough, but was still alive so he was set in from of a jury of his peers in which he was given the death penalty. So tell me should we a nation based on reforming criminals to the point where prisons are banned tried to reform him and let him walk freely when he is a monster to the core, and it isn't for lack of medical funding or mental illness, we have a well funded educational and medical system in place. When the penalty was handled it was done in private in the quickest and humanist way possible.


These are the types of situations in which we use the death penalty we don't use it just because some random decided to jay-walk, it is when a mass attacks like this is committed. When reforming a criminal is considered not just by the government, but by their peers to be impossible."

The Neolithic German Empire wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Then you will be coercively fined per the ACA until you comply. Failure to pay will obligate all WA nations to impose the strictest sanctions available. That seems a high price for execution."

"I will gladly accept that price then! Because all you are doing is showing your support for monsters."

"The fines are meant to be coercive. As in, will bankrupt a government. It's your call."

Texkentuck wrote:

The Neolithic German Empire wrote:"While you're at it I don't know how many nation's practice the death penalty but I would at least say a sizeable portion of the World Assembly does, so all this resolution does is alienate those nations, if the death penalty for mass-murders is a horrible breech of civil rights, then why don't you write up a resolution to ban prisons, it won't effect me in any-way because I already have them banned but prisons seem just as oppressive. I would also go on to say having a life-sentence in prison is worse than a quick and humane death. Think about the horrors people see they do something monstrous at 24 and have to stay in prison until they die, even when they are of 80 years of age. All that does is drive up suicide."

Texkentuck Prisons award good behavior even to those who have life in prison. Most of the justice system in other nations need reform like Texkentuck. Thankful Texkentuck is a nation with the good word and message in which most of the population is good citizens. The newspaper in my nation is concerned about a mad midget brawler drunk getting out of prison by the name of Mad Jack Hamilton. Mad Jack Hamilton is wild he will stand and act wild in capitalist square making people laugh and walk away in disgust. He's the joy of the bar scene. He picks fights with bar patrons at times and ends up getting his ass kicked and thrown around in a bag. Then it's on a again he burned down a house. He pissed on someones car. He smashed out the windows and "defecated in someone car"Society is concerned. This is one of our worst. But he was only held in block 4 and not block 0 with high voltage bars. Only one prisoner is in block 0 until he calms down. This was the report given to me by the Texkentuck prison system. Understand your argument for the death penalty but my nation will not allow it.

"Our citizens as well are highly compliant to the law, but there will always be monsters out there. Know that I am not advocating for the death penalty, and I am not saying other nations should have it. I believe if you as a nation can go on without having it, it is a good thing. I am just trying to give my case and other nation's cases here for why we have such a system in place. I am glad you understand why we have it, and we don't keep it because we enjoy it, but because sometimes it truly is the only option for some. I don't know how much you're prisons operate and while they sound good we are more inclined to not have prisons as we have stated we believe that the majority of criminals can be reformed and become members of society again and they shouldn't be restricted by any small mistakes of their pass. I will take you up on your word that your prison reform is superior than others, but our system has worked rather well without the need of prisons.

I understand why people see the death penalty as inhumane, but the planet we life on and the people we share it with can be just as inhumane. That is why we keep it."

Texkentuck wrote:8)

Separatist Peoples wrote:"The fines are meant to be coercive. As in, will bankrupt a government. It's your call."

Outside your borders if people would like to escape your socialist regime their is a bus waiting outside your border and a plane on stand by soon. Busses and mobile offices like this exist because of nation like yours.

This is the Textkentuck Immigration Bus with the best healthcare to anyone who needs it. There are many of these busses in neighboring nations who permit it to pass through and get free basic check ups and emergency surgery paid for by Texkentuck Parliments Tresuary as apart of the governments mission to create better environments in neighboring nations. Also it serves as an emergency unit to those who want to escape repressive regimes if they see this armored unit refugees can catch a ride. Armed Military personal alway onboard and present.





This is the Textkentuck mobile Immigration office. These offices can be found miles off the border on lands that belong to Texkentuck and people can line up to apply for citizenship. The purpose of these offices is to stop migration of immigrant caravans.

"Ambassador, perhaps consult a map. Your nation and mine share no borders, and my nation is avowedly not socialist."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

The Neolithic German Empire wrote:
"I will gladly accept that price then! Because all you are doing is showing your support for monsters."

"The fines are meant to be coercive. As in, will bankrupt a government. It's your call."

"You seem to not be able to listen to anyone (or hear me out) of those who have opposing viewpoints, to the point where you largely ignored everything I have said other than "I refuse". That or you just failed to respond to it. I don't trade with nations outside my region so those fines do little to nothing on me. So feel free."

"Also my nation practices Autarky so I can sustain myself"

The Neolithic German Empire wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"The fines are meant to be coercive. As in, will bankrupt a government. It's your call."

"You seem to not be able to listen to anyone (or hear me out) of those who have opposing viewpoints, to the point where you largely ignored everything I have said other than "I refuse". That or you just failed to respond to it. I don't trade with nations outside my region so those fines do little to nothing on me. So feel free."

"I hear you, ambassador. But what you're saying isn't relevant to enforcement. Extant law provides these sanctions. Not me. I'm not threatening you. I'm telling you what is going to happen if you break WA law. Trading with your neighbors doesn't help those assets frozen in member states. Can you sustain an economy on one region only? Possibly. Will it damage your influence and strength on the global arena? Very likely. Has autarky ever actually worked? No.

"As with all things, choice comes with consequence."