[PASSED] Repeal "Commend the Western Isles"

[Comfed]

I'm truthfully confused as to the energy behind the repeal. Twi didn't ask for the commendation nor did we fight the repeal. Most of us voted for it lol.

it will help some nations who play the WA game sleep better at night

“The WA game” is just as valid as your RP. It is condescending statements like this one that are making many people oppose your commendation in the first place.

[Nova Vandalia]

it will help some nations who play the WA game sleep better at night

“The WA game” is just as valid as your RP. It is condescending statements like this one that are making many people oppose your commendation in the first place.

While I agree with your statement that "The WA game" is just a valid as their RP game, I do want to point out it wasn't their RP game that interjected itself into the WA aspect of NS, but vice versa. One that carelessly injected them into the limelight, rewarded them, returned them to the limelight, opened them and the author up to criticism, and then ripped the award away and is upset that they're defensive towards us. This isn't something as they pointed they asked for but something we collectively did to them. I mean their aree in my opinion is some valid reasoning in why we needed to repeal it, but we should of see regardless of the valid reasoning, that TWI's feelings towards us is equally valid considering that circumstances.

Again I always find it a little odd, that the organization who's sole purpose is to judge the other communities of NS and decide who is worthy of merit or not, is very rarely open to judgements of our own merit from those communities.

I think Aruia's comment has a ring of truth to it, even if I don't agree with the tone. We did it to make our community feel better, without regard for how their community should or would feel. I mean the argument many will offer against this is to blame the original author, but that is saying our community shares no responsibility for the passage and failure of any proposal, which I feel would undercut the purpose of this forum and community.

I've been in there shoes, and sympathize heavily with them, simply saying it isn't personal isn't always enough to bandage the wounds we make. That being said I also understand that my stance isn't common in the SC, so it won't account for much.

Either way this has passed so my condolences to TWI, and my congrats to Bormiar.

[Pluvie]

“The WA game” is just as valid as your RP. It is condescending statements like this one that are making many people oppose your commendation in the first place.

While I agree with your statement that "The WA game" is just a valid as their RP game, I do want to point out it wasn't their RP game that interjected itself into the WA aspect of NS, but vice versa. One that carelessly injected them into the limelight, rewarded them, returned them to the limelight, opened them and the author up to criticism, and then ripped the award away and is upset that they're defensive towards us. This isn't something as they pointed they asked for but something we collectively did to them. I mean their aree in my opinion is some valid reasoning in why we needed to repeal it, but we should of see regardless of the valid reasoning, that TWI's feelings towards us is equally valid considering that circumstances.

Again I always find it a little odd, that the organization who's sole purpose is to judge the other communities of NS and decide who is worthy of merit or not, is very rarely open to judgements of our own merit from those communities.

I think Aruia's comment has a ring of truth to it, even if I don't agree with the tone. We did it to make our community feel better, without regard for how their community should or would feel. I mean the argument many will offer against this is to blame the original author, but that is saying our community shares no responsibility for the passage and failure of any proposal, which I feel would undercut the purpose of this forum and community.

I've been in there shoes, and sympathize heavily with them, simply saying it isn't personal isn't always enough to bandage the wounds we make. That being said I also understand that my stance isn't common in the SC, so it won't account for much.

Either way this has passed so my condolences to TWI, and my congrats to Bormiar.

I'm just gonna interject here to say that first of all, I was still against this resolution. I helped make a lotta edits to tone down the language and I was still against in the end. However, I don't think a repeal was a bad idea. In fact I think a repeal needed to happen. There were enough people not happy with the passing of the resolution that a repeal was going to be in order at some point. Whether I think that repeal should've been instant? Maybe not. Should the repeal have been as personal as it was? Definitely not. But repeals, generally speaking, aren't meant to like strip an award from a player or a region, people in the SC don't just have a constant evil voice telling them to strip people of their resolutions. Imo, the reason this one was repealed was simply that most everyone didn't feel that it was truly a WA resolution that was good enough to stay around.

I'll also note that from all of Borms comments, this wasn't in any way a repeal meant to say that TWI didn't deserve a commend, in fact he quite notably wrote that if anyone wanted to draft a replace, that they were welcome to do so. This resolution came down more to quality of writing than anything involving the region itself. Perhaps it was careless to pass the original commend TWI, I don't disagree with that, but there's nothing wrong with repealing a resolution that is poorly written

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Reading the most recent comments I start to wonder if any of you actually bothered to peruse the proposal.

It focuses solely on the appallingly bad job the author made of the commendation. For a nation or a region to be commended it should stand out from the crowd. It is the author’s task to show the WA in general that the nominee is worthy of the award. In this case the author of the commendation failed miserably to do this and the repeal was a step by step refutation of the points in the commendation.

[Nova Vandalia]

While I agree with your statement that "The WA game" is just a valid as their RP game, I do want to point out it wasn't their RP game that interjected itself into the WA aspect of NS, but vice versa. One that carelessly injected them into the limelight, rewarded them, returned them to the limelight, opened them and the author up to criticism, and then ripped the award away and is upset that they're defensive towards us. This isn't something as they pointed they asked for but something we collectively did to them. I mean their aree in my opinion is some valid reasoning in why we needed to repeal it, but we should of see regardless of the valid reasoning, that TWI's feelings towards us is equally valid considering that circumstances.

Again I always find it a little odd, that the organization who's sole purpose is to judge the other communities of NS and decide who is worthy of merit or not, is very rarely open to judgements of our own merit from those communities.

I think Aruia's comment has a ring of truth to it, even if I don't agree with the tone. We did it to make our community feel better, without regard for how their community should or would feel. I mean the argument many will offer against this is to blame the original author, but that is saying our community shares no responsibility for the passage and failure of any proposal, which I feel would undercut the purpose of this forum and community.

I've been in there shoes, and sympathize heavily with them, simply saying it isn't personal isn't always enough to bandage the wounds we make. That being said I also understand that my stance isn't common in the SC, so it won't account for much.

Either way this has passed so my condolences to TWI, and my congrats to Bormiar.

I'm just gonna interject here to say that first of all, I was still against this resolution. I helped make a lotta edits to tone down the language and I was still against in the end. However, I don't think a repeal was a bad idea. In fact I think a repeal needed to happen. There were enough people not happy with the passing of the resolution that a repeal was going to be in order at some point. Whether I think that repeal should've been instant? Maybe not. Should the repeal have been as personal as it was? Definitely not. But repeals, generally speaking, aren't meant to like strip an award from a player or a region, people in the SC don't just have a constant evil voice telling them to strip people of their resolutions. Imo, the reason this one was repealed was simply that most everyone didn't feel that it was truly a WA resolution that was good enough to stay around.

I'll also note that from all of Borms comments, this wasn't in any way a repeal meant to say that TWI didn't deserve a commend, in fact he quite notably wrote that if anyone wanted to draft a replace, that they were welcome to do so. This resolution came down more to quality of writing than anything involving the region itself. Perhaps it was careless to pass the original commend TWI, I don't disagree with that, but there's nothing wrong with repealing a resolution that is poorly written

You are completely mischaracterizing my statements, it maybe that lack of emotional context or wording on my part, but I at no point called us out for having an "Evil voice" as you put it. Those are your words and I would appreciate if you didn't put them in my mouth. At worst I called us careless, in handling TWI's commend, repeal and attitude towards the SC, which I stand by. We act like the Commends don't matter to a community, and yet we guard their "worth"? Which is it? If it has worth then chastising a region for being upset with us when we give and then repeal, whether deserved or otherwise is a little careless, or is our constant defending of them unnecessary in which case is it is equally careless. I'm not saying it's intentional, but it is something we need to look at.

All I ask if for a little understanding of the plight of,and how we approach it for, regions and individuals who we do this too. We act with a self given impunity toward our effects in those community, and an impunity which I am simply asking may need examination.

I'm not saying repeals are bad, I'm not saying this repeal is bad. As a matter of fact I don't think aside from ones that effect my friends and region I have ever voted against a repeal. I'm saying that us calling TWI's feeling's invalid and unwarranted is unjust, because they didn't bloody ask for any of this, We did and even if it wasn't out intent to cause those feelings, we have. We can be a little nicer as a group and if asking for a more respectful approach to the regions we inject ourselves into is "bad", if asking us to examine how we treated TWI and their community is wrong. What does that say?

[Pluvie]

I'm just gonna interject here to say that first of all, I was still against this resolution. I helped make a lotta edits to tone down the language and I was still against in the end. However, I don't think a repeal was a bad idea. In fact I think a repeal needed to happen. There were enough people not happy with the passing of the resolution that a repeal was going to be in order at some point. Whether I think that repeal should've been instant? Maybe not. Should the repeal have been as personal as it was? Definitely not. But repeals, generally speaking, aren't meant to like strip an award from a player or a region, people in the SC don't just have a constant evil voice telling them to strip people of their resolutions. Imo, the reason this one was repealed was simply that most everyone didn't feel that it was truly a WA resolution that was good enough to stay around.

I'll also note that from all of Borms comments, this wasn't in any way a repeal meant to say that TWI didn't deserve a commend, in fact he quite notably wrote that if anyone wanted to draft a replace, that they were welcome to do so. This resolution came down more to quality of writing than anything involving the region itself. Perhaps it was careless to pass the original commend TWI, I don't disagree with that, but there's nothing wrong with repealing a resolution that is poorly written

You are completely mischaracterizing my statements, it maybe that lack of emotional context or wording on my part, but I at no point called us out for having an "Evil voice" as you put it. Those are your words and I would appreciate if you didn't put them in my mouth. At worst I called us careless, in handling TWI's commend, repeal and attitude towards the SC, which I stand by. We act like the Commends don't matter to a community, and yet we guard their "worth"? Which is it? If it has worth then chastising a region for being upset with us when we give and then repeal, whether deserved or otherwise is a little careless, or is our constant defending of them unnecessary in which case is it is equally careless. I'm not saying it's intentional, but it is something we need to look at.

All I ask if for a little understanding of the plight of,and how we approach it for, regions and individuals who we do this too. We act with a self given impunity toward our effects in those community, and an impunity which I am simply asking may need examination.

I'm not saying repeals are bad, I'm not saying this repeal is bad. As a matter of fact I don't think aside from ones that effect my friends and region I have ever voted against a repeal. I'm saying that us calling TWI's feeling's invalid and unwarranted is unjust, because they didn't bloody ask for any of this, We did and even if it wasn't out intent to cause those feelings, we have. We can be a little nicer as a group and if asking for a more respectful approach to the regions we inject ourselves into is "bad", if asking us to examine how we treated TWI and their community is wrong. What does that say?

Ah, my apologies ^-^ I misread some of your comments there. I'll usher myself out

[Havalland]

Alright boys time for me to write the condemnation of the TWI proposal!

[Corindia]

Alright boys time for me to write the condemnation of the TWI proposal!

I'll get the repeal of that ready, if we're quick we can have both passed within the month

[Aruia]

“The WA game” is just as valid as your RP. It is condescending statements like this one that are making many people oppose your commendation in the first place.

While I agree with your statement that "The WA game" is just a valid as their RP game, I do want to point out it wasn't their RP game that interjected itself into the WA aspect of NS, but vice versa. One that carelessly injected them into the limelight, rewarded them, returned them to the limelight, opened them and the author up to criticism, and then ripped the award away and is upset that they're defensive towards us. This isn't something as they pointed they asked for but something we collectively did to them. I mean their aree in my opinion is some valid reasoning in why we needed to repeal it, but we should of see regardless of the valid reasoning, that TWI's feelings towards us is equally valid considering that circumstances.

Again I always find it a little odd, that the organization who's sole purpose is to judge the other communities of NS and decide who is worthy of merit or not, is very rarely open to judgements of our own merit from those communities.

I think Aruia's comment has a ring of truth to it, even if I don't agree with the tone. We did it to make our community feel better, without regard for how their community should or would feel. I mean the argument many will offer against this is to blame the original author, but that is saying our community shares no responsibility for the passage and failure of any proposal, which I feel would undercut the purpose of this forum and community.

I've been in there shoes, and sympathize heavily with them, simply saying it isn't personal isn't always enough to bandage the wounds we make. That being said I also understand that my stance isn't common in the SC, so it won't account for much.

Either way this has passed so my condolences to TWI, and my congrats to Bormiar.

i should clear that i never denied its validity and i made several posts ago reasoning for voting in favor.
one of them was that it takes away from the motivation of those who play the WA game.
But many as Vandalia point outs act on a one-sided principal. But that is their choice.