[Passed] Repeal "International Criminal Protocol"

[-Astoria-]

OOC: I’m relatively new to the WA so forgive me if this question shows ignorance, but as a WA member state who currently allows the death penalty as one of my nation’s policies, will that policy automatically be changed upon the passage of this repeal, or is this in-character only/ symbolic legislation?

If I remember correctly, the resolutions are more or less symbolic, & won't have any effect on member nations - although the stats might change...

[Comfed]

“Full support.”

[Neymarland]

Not to mention, there is no inherent necessity in executing an individual. At the end of the day, imprisonment is a means to protect society from those deemed to pose a danger to the public. Capital punishment adds nothing except the perceived notion of 'justice', or 'revenge', or the false assumption of 'deterrence'.

While both of you make great points, there have been cases where people who were serving life sentences have escaped and killed someone just to prove that their view of the law is right. And in cases where the death penalty was banned, the law ended up supporting their point by there being no punishment for the new murder.

Also, someone else mentioned the risk of innocent people being executed. While this is a worrying factor, this is also why I believe countries should be banned from executing someone who is not a citizen of that country, and also why Kissassia has a lengthy appeals system that I encourage other countries to accept at their own pace.

What about innocents from that country? So is it an instant death there? Also, most governments that are "on the edge" aka dictatorships use the death penalty as a political tool, and has seen much abuse.

[Queen Adriennes Revenge]

Death penalty is an interesting debate for sure. Since it already is applied in rarest of the rare cases to begin with, I don't see why should we vote to repeal it completely. There is a consequentialist argument apart from a categorical one.

[Tinhampton]

Death penalty is an interesting debate for sure. Since it already is applied in rarest of the rare cases to begin with, I don't see why should we vote to repeal it completely. There is a consequentialist argument apart from a categorical one.

You are not (yet) voting to completely abolish the death penalty; you are voting to repeal a resolution that grants member states leeway as to whether or not the death penalty should be imposed.

[Vardocalifar]

I oppose this motion. The individual rights of nations to decide upon penalties, including but not limited to capital punishment should be preserved. In other words the assembly should regulate prison conditions, but not regulate individual penalties.

[Turanian Utopia]

Something like this is unacceptable. Even offering this is an insult to the mankind and justice. How can you defend rapist? "Rarely helping victims and its family and lost another 'life'" LIFE? WHERE? I don't see any. I just see a waste of oxygen. Well in order to make capital punishment more deterrant, we can catogorize it. For example it can start from a easy and fast execute to the harsher and painful ones depends on the crime. If you increase the types of capital punishment it will get the job done and the crime rate will go down immediately. Of course to make function this there has to be a good education system and maybe the martial law. Btw You are defending criminals by voting "for". That makes you criminals too. Maybe you need a capital punishment too. It's not neccessary to be in my borders to get the capital punishment from me. Watch out for TUIC(Turanian Utopia Intelligence Command)

[Greater Cesnica]

to the harsher and painful ones

You mean torture? That's already banned

[Turanian Utopia]

to the harsher and painful ones

You mean torture? That's already banned

Really? I'm leaving the WA now its over.

[Greater Cesnica]

You mean torture? That's already banned

Really? I'm leaving the WA now its over.

Or perhaps make life better for your populace and strive to comply with our resolutions

[Turanian Utopia]

Really? I'm leaving the WA now its over.

Or perhaps make life better for your populace and strive to comply with our resolutions

By saying my populace I suppose you only meant criminals. And if serving for justice, truth and morality is worse for you, then I will be appreciated to keep it worse. And if you want me to comply these bullshits, try your luck in battle front. Not in an assembly

[Greater Cesnica]

Or perhaps make life better for your populace and strive to comply with our resolutions

By saying my populace I suppose you only meant criminals. And if serving for justice, truth and morality is worse for you, then I will be appreciated to keep it worse. And if you want me to comply these bullshits, try your luck in battle front. Not in an assembly

Welp, adiós, amigo.

[WayNeacTia]

This truly is a travesty.

[Greater Cesnica]

This truly is a travesty.

So is the death penalty.

[The Grand Imperial Reich]

I'm all for regulating capital punishment, and insuring that executions are done safely and quickly, but banning it? Rehabilitation is a lofty, but not always realistic, goal.

[Luncharia]

The law was passed with clear protocols laid out to protect the rights of people in prison. By outright repealing it, you completely nullify any good the protocol put in place.

The original bill did not include a protocol for the death penalty, which is why some countries voted for it. Counties should have the right to decide for themselves if the death penalty is legal or not.

To repeal an entire law because you don't like part of it is foolish. If you had a problem with the law, you should have amended it.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

The law was passed with clear protocols laid out to protect the rights of people in prison. By outright repealing it, you completely nullify any good the protocol put in place.

The original bill did not include a protocol for the death penalty, which is why some countries voted for it. Counties should have the right to decide for themselves if the death penalty is legal or not.

To repeal an entire law because you don't like part of it is foolish. If you had a problem with the law, you should have amended it.

OOC: NationStates does not offer the option to amend laws.

[Greater Cesnica]

The law was passed with clear protocols laid out to protect the rights of people in prison. By outright repealing it, you completely nullify any good the protocol put in place.

The original bill did not include a protocol for the death penalty, which is why some countries voted for it. Counties should have the right to decide for themselves if the death penalty is legal or not.

To repeal an entire law because you don't like part of it is foolish. If you had a problem with the law, you should have amended it.

OOC: NationStates does not offer the option to amend laws.

[Neymarland]

OOC: NationStates does not offer the option to amend laws.

If you can't amend laws, then you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Kissassia]

What about innocents from that country? So is it an instant death there? Also, most governments that are "on the edge" aka dictatorships use the death penalty as a political tool, and has seen much abuse.

Maybe there should be some part of the WA to examine and punish nations that use capital punishment as a tool of political repression. It would out dictatorships for how terrible they really are, and would have a much greater benefit than just banning capital punishment, a ban that the aforementioned dictatorships would likely just ignore and cover up.

[Ardiveds]

What about innocents from that country? So is it an instant death there? Also, most governments that are "on the edge" aka dictatorships use the death penalty as a political tool, and has seen much abuse.

Maybe there should be some part of the WA to examine and punish nations that use capital punishment as a tool of political repression. It would out dictatorships for how terrible they really are, and would have a much greater benefit than just banning capital punishment, a ban that the aforementioned dictatorships would likely just ignore and cover up.

OOC: This resolution and the PtEoI set a lot of restrictions on the use of capital punishments. Using it as a tool of political repression would be considered violation of the WA laws which it punishes with embargoes and fines. The WA does not and cannot currently have a military or direct members to attack another nation, including non-members and non-compliant members.

[Nova Bromelia]

Bromelia votes against, and requests that restrictions on capital punishment, superseding prohibitation #4 in resolution #500, be addressed in a separate resolution, to avoid the merits of International Criminal Protocol to be lost.

Should this not be possible, we urge our colleagues and friends within the assembly to resubmit a revised version of resolution #500, without prohibitation #4 as soon as possible, as well as a separate resolution, condemning and banning capital punishment under any circumstance.

[Neymarland]

9,844 to 3,102 with an hour left of voting. Id say the outcome is decided.

[Greater Cesnica]

9,844 to 3,102 with an hour left of voting. Id say the outcome is decided.

It was at this exact moment that 7,000 nations, all enrolled in the World Assembly, all decided to vote against at the same time

[Greater Cesnica]

Repeal "International Criminal Protocol" was passed 9,879 votes to 3,112.

Now that this is repealed, time to get the replacement in: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=496123