[PASSED] Repeal Commend The Holy Principality of Saint Mark

[Honeydewistania]

Borm, Syl/Yokiria is 2x Security Council Author already. Lol.

Also, big disagree on quorum raiding being fun. It's not fun when targeted at GA proposals, it's not fun when targeted at SC proposals, it's only good as a last resort against fascist proposals.

[Bormiar]

Borm, Syl/Yokiria is 2x Security Council Author.

I'm aware, but those drafts don't really say enough about Yokiria's skill as a C&C writer. One is a repeal, and the other is rather lacking by today's standard. Point is: lots of good writers in Osi.

[Wallenburg]

Also, annoying people? Seriously? This is a political simulator, not a kindergarten playground.

Though I don't agree with this proposal, nor do I disagree with the raid, this is a poor argument because there's more to NS then Gameplay.

Say that louder for the people in the back.

[Honeydewistania]

Though I don't agree with this proposal, nor do I disagree with the raid, this is a poor argument because there's more to NS then Gameplay.

Say that louder for the people in the back.

Oh no they cant hear you they're stuck in their ivory tower oh god oh fuck

[Fauxia]

The WA shouldn't commend those nations who willfully do not comply with WA resolutions, and that reason alone is enough to repeal this. Glad to see it's back in quorum - and hopefully the replacement goes down in flames.

I love how people make a thing about this.

The only reason anyone cares what Mark says in the GA is because y’all keep forcing attention on his noncompliance.

Like, who gives a fuck how he runs his nation?

Say that louder for the people in the back.

Oh no they cant hear you they're stuck in their ivory tower oh god oh fuck

Sorry, did you say something? Couldn’t hear it over the sound of couping your region

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

The WA shouldn't commend those nations who willfully do not comply with WA resolutions, and that reason alone is enough to repeal this. Glad to see it's back in quorum - and hopefully the replacement goes down in flames.

I love how people make a thing about this.

The only reason anyone cares what Mark says in the GA is because y’all keep forcing attention on his noncompliance.

Like, who gives a fuck how he runs his nation?

Noncompliance means Mark shouldn't be commended. I don't care about his contributions elsewhere when his contributions to the WA mean he isn't abiding by his good faith obligations as laid out in GA#2.

The WA shouldn't commend those nations who willfully do not comply with WA resolutions, and that reason alone is enough to repeal this. Glad to see it's back in quorum - and hopefully the replacement goes down in flames.

How does non-compliance with GA resolutions negate all the work that Halo has done for TWP?

Because it shows Mark isn't a member of the WA in good standing. If Mark has done so much for TWP, then let them give him a medal or something. The WA doesn't have to commend someone who so wilfully declines to follow legislation passed by the WA and indeed it shouldn't.

[Great Algerstonia]

Compliance with WA resolutions is a fundamental part of the WA, and non-compliance in them means that you are an enemy of the WA by going against it's primary institutions.

Hey Gorundu, for the record, this is what actual embellishment looks like

What else would it mean?

[-Equalia-]

As much as I'd hate to interject this, I only showed up here solely because it mentioned Albion. No, no one called me in to testify concerning this (I was simply looking at the WA during my brief times being online), but since I did know of Mark pretty well, I thought I'd remark about this specific portion of the repeal:

Frustrated that their work in Albion was not explained in context of the culture or history of the now-inactive region, thus failing to prove the significance of the work

Now, this has nothing to do with my personal relationship with Mark, people who knew of me will remember me as Cadmus Saxton, former (and last) Foreign Minister of Albion, right until its dying days and its switch in regional governance to something that in the end I lamented as what lead to its death knell as an active region. I am (was?) friends with Mark, and while I stopped being involved in NS altogether I'd like to think favorably still on him. Now this is no quip against him, but since some were asking about trying to ask people from Albion about Mark's role in Albion, here's the skinny:

Sometime during the last year of Albion's active state, Mark was installed as a High Priest of sorts, the thing is though by that time it was more or less nothing more than an RP role in the end. Mark did not contribute much activity to the already dying region I used to call home, in fact we all didn't. A lot of us were just getting busier with real life and we were already disconnecting ourselves from the Gameplay side of things as a region to begin with, our RP too was getting terribly inactive. Our last official monarch Olivia Calidan thought it best to revamp the region itself to be entirely RP-oriented, but changed out a lot of the governing roles to where they mainly served as basal RP titles only and left most of the governance to the highest authorities; Mark was not one of those highest authorities. If he was installed somehow as a higher authority to my memory, he was installed into an already dying region and did not contribute anything to fix it, but seeing as what Albion became in the end, I don't think it would've mattered. There were multiple other factors at play here so none of this is any of Mark's doing, just wanted it be known.

Now, I cannot say anything concerning anything else that Mark did after Albion, I knew of his time in TWP when I too was involved as a TWP citizen for awhile, before he was persuaded to come to Albion during the latter part of its active state, nor can I say anything concerning what happened of him and what he did after, because I stopped being involved in wider NS altogether, only barely logging on and doing a few issues at best. However, I only came here to respond concerning mentioning his role in Albion, and there it is.

[Bormiar]

Sometime during the last year of Albion's active state, Mark was installed as a High Priest of sorts, the thing is though by that time it was more or less nothing more than an RP role in the end. Mark did not contribute much activity to the already dying region I used to call home, in fact we all didn't. A lot of us were just getting busier with real life and we were already disconnecting ourselves from the Gameplay side of things as a region to begin with, our RP too was getting terribly inactive.

See, these are the things that really discredited the commendation in my eyes. I had no idea whether Halo did anything for Albion because of how vague it was, so I was forced to assume he didn't do much (burden of proof is on author). It's pretty easy to sense when the author either doesn't know what they're talking about or is intentionally trying to cover up how little the nominee did, and commend Halo had signs of that all over it. Here's a subtler example of that (which Xoriet fixed).

[High Lord Seven Deaths]

As much as I'd hate to interject this, I only showed up here solely because it mentioned Albion. No, no one called me in to testify concerning this (I was simply looking at the WA during my brief times being online), but since I did know of Mark pretty well, I thought I'd remark about this specific portion of the repeal:

Frustrated that their work in Albion was not explained in context of the culture or history of the now-inactive region, thus failing to prove the significance of the work

Now, this has nothing to do with my personal relationship with Mark, people who knew of me will remember me as Cadmus Saxton, former (and last) Foreign Minister of Albion, right until its dying days and its switch in regional governance to something that in the end I lamented as what lead to its death knell as an active region. I am (was?) friends with Mark, and while I stopped being involved in NS altogether I'd like to think favorably still on him. Now this is no quip against him, but since some were asking about trying to ask people from Albion about Mark's role in Albion, here's the skinny:

Sometime during the last year of Albion's active state, Mark was installed as a High Priest of sorts, the thing is though by that time it was more or less nothing more than an RP role in the end. Mark did not contribute much activity to the already dying region I used to call home, in fact we all didn't. A lot of us were just getting busier with real life and we were already disconnecting ourselves from the Gameplay side of things as a region to begin with, our RP too was getting terribly inactive. Our last official monarch Olivia Calidan thought it best to revamp the region itself to be entirely RP-oriented, but changed out a lot of the governing roles to where they mainly served as basal RP titles only and left most of the governance to the highest authorities; Mark was not one of those highest authorities. If he was installed somehow as a higher authority to my memory, he was installed into an already dying region and did not contribute anything to fix it, but seeing as what Albion became in the end, I don't think it would've mattered. There were multiple other factors at play here so none of this is any of Mark's doing, just wanted it be known.

Now, I cannot say anything concerning anything else that Mark did after Albion, I knew of his time in TWP when I too was involved as a TWP citizen for awhile, before he was persuaded to come to Albion during the latter part of its active state, nor can I say anything concerning what happened of him and what he did after, because I stopped being involved in wider NS altogether, only barely logging on and doing a few issues at best. However, I only came here to respond concerning mentioning his role in Albion, and there it is.

Hey there, I just wanted to pop by and explain some things in better detail. Cadmus is not entirely correct above and I'd like to take the opportunity to correct it. Firstly, yes, Halo was installed as an Archbishop of the faith I asked him to create for what would be the main In Character RP for Albion. Like many, many positions within NS it was an RP position with OOC responsibilities. Halo was incredibly thorough with his creation of this important aspect of our RP. The fact that this new RP and attempt at revitalization was unsuccessful in the end does not negate the work he did in worldbuilding with us and several of the new blood he personally recruited into Albion. In fact, had he not been around, I'd hazard to guess the attempt would not have been half as successful. Halo also served in an advisory role for us throughout this whole process, even if it was never made official and he was incredibly invaluable. Cad was certainly not consulted on everything that happened, so it's not his fault that he doesn't have all the information.

[Praeceps]

This is no longer in queue and will drop out at minor if there are not four more approvals by that time. 18 Delegates were knocked out this major.

[Honeydewistania]

This is no longer in queue and will drop out at minor if there are not four more approvals by that time. 18 Delegates were knocked out this major.

Truly smh my h fr

[Thermodolia]

The circus came from TWP raiders attacking various regions (including my own) because they have a delegate who voted a certain way. If that hadn't happened, many wouldn't be complaining and I wouldn't be here.

Yeah, we all care sooo much about your complaining lmao

Y’all raided our region and removed me as delegate. All because I approved of something y’all didn’t like. That’s low yall

[The Reformed American Republic]

Yeah, we all care sooo much about your complaining lmao

Y’all raided our region and removed me as delegate. All because I approved of something y’all didn’t like. That’s low yall

Done by the Black Hawks too. Our region's approval of this will be reinstated, rest assured raiders.

[Wallenburg]

TWP is doing their level best to convince me to oppose any proposal authored by their citizens.

[Dilber]

TWP is doing their level best to convince me to oppose any proposal authored by their citizens.

Not sure this is any different than before, although I do wonder what brought on this comment.

[Bormiar]

TWP is doing their level best to convince me to oppose any proposal authored by their citizens.

Not sure this is any different than before, although I do wonder what brought on this comment.

Not like you lost anyone's vote .

[Wallenburg]

Not sure this is any different than before, although I do wonder what brought on this comment.

Not like you lost anyone's vote .

You'd be surprised, it seems.

[Bormiar]

Not like you lost anyone's vote .

You'd be surprised, it seems.

I guess. shrugs

[Wellington Bingbong]

TWP is doing their level best to convince me to oppose any proposal authored by their citizens.

The act of voting on issues based solely upon the region that the author comes from is a worryingly xenophobic line of thinking. Other than needlessly aggravating and fostering animosity between states and regions, I am concerned that it will lead to a decline or stagnation of quality proposals and discussions here in the Assembly. I would hasten you to reconsider your wording in this place, where words are recorded in near perpetuity, lest history remembers them as the tinder for tragedy.

[Santos-Dominius]

TWP is doing their level best to convince me to oppose any proposal authored by their citizens.

I find it laughable, in the most negative way, that you are insinuating that you will not take into consideration any future proposal by a TWP author, and instead immediately oppose it simply because the author is from TWP. Sounds like someone is being antagonistic, xenophobic and unwilling to listen to reason here. I urge you to reconsider this comment of yours here, to treat with equal consideration every proposal regardless of where the author belongs, to judge every proposal based on the actual content and writing, It would be quite arbitrary and utterly unreasonable of a person like you to pre-emptively shut yourself out of any debate concerning any TWP-authored proposal in the future.

As a citizen from TWP who isn't interested in participating in petty politics, I find it deplorable that you would reject any and all proposals authored by TWP authors, including possibly me, if I choose to become an author at some point in the future. Do you not realise that your words here incredibly discourages healthy participation within the WA? I do not have the time to personally attack anyone here, I do not intend to make a jab at anyone's personal character here, and I do not intend to attack you personally with this response of mine here, but reconsider this detestable comment of yours at once.

[Great Algerstonia]

TWP is doing their level best to convince me to oppose any proposal authored by their citizens.

I find it laughable, in the most negative way, that you are insinuating that you will not take into consideration any future proposal by a TWP author, and instead immediately oppose it simply because the author is from TWP. Sounds like someone is being antagonistic, xenophobic and unwilling to listen to reason here.

What "reason" is Wallenburg unwilling to listen to? Because quorum raiding is not reasonable at all.

Oh and TWP is actively quorum raiding proposals that go against their interests too- disrupting the processes of both the Security Council and the General Assembly. It makes author spend more money on campaign telegrams, makes delegates less receptive to approving resolutions if they get spammed about the same resolutions, and is all in all a completely not fun or fair move. Such disruption kind of puts a negative mark on TWP for the WA.

[Free Las Pinas]

Do you not realise that your words here incredibly discourages healthy participation within the WA?

imo, approval raiding, particularly in non-OOC problematic proposals, discourage healthy participation far more than what one person has to say.

[Santos-Dominius]

Do you not realise that your words here incredibly discourages healthy participation within the WA?

imo, approval raiding, particularly in non-OOC problematic proposals, discourage healthy participation far more than what one person has to say.

I appreciate you having an opinion on approval or quorum raiding, but I did not intend to put that topic up for debate with my response. My response was strictly geared at what Wallenburg said concerning his consideration of opposing any and all TWP-authored proposals. I don't want to have to quote what I said again. Don't use whataboutism to disprove my coherent argument.

[Santos-Dominius]

I find it laughable, in the most negative way, that you are insinuating that you will not take into consideration any future proposal by a TWP author, and instead immediately oppose it simply because the author is from TWP. Sounds like someone is being antagonistic, xenophobic and unwilling to listen to reason here.

What "reason" is Wallenburg unwilling to listen to? Because quorum raiding is not reasonable at all.

Oh and TWP is actively quorum raiding proposals that go against their interests too- disrupting the processes of both the Security Council and the General Assembly. It makes author spend more money on campaign telegrams, makes delegates less receptive to approving resolutions if they get spammed about the same resolutions, and is all in all a completely not fun or fair move. Such disruption kind of puts a negative mark on TWP for the WA.

I appreciate your concern on quorum raiding, and I recognise that I do not have enough knowledge about quorum raiding, so that is why you will see that I did not criticise Wallenburg for his opinions or arguments on quorum raiding. Rather, I was pointing out that his statement that he will consider opposing any TWP-authored proposal is arbitrary and unreasonable. Why? Because I will tell you that TWP is not full of mediocre and terrible authors and people with low standards. Wallenburg's statement there was what I criticised, not anything else, and certainly not about his statements on quorum raiding. It pains me to have to clarify my position and what I said and what my statement's intentions were over and over again.