[PASSED] Repeal Commend The Holy Principality of Saint Mark

[Saint Ives and Truro]

Great work Gorundu.

[Bormiar]

Congratulations on passing the resolution Gor.

Interesting to note: in terms of % of For and Against votes, Commend Halo garnered 1.3 more of the percentage than this resolution.

Your point is...?

I think you're looking at things incorrectly. Whereas the original commendation garnered 70.7% of the vote, continued support for it fell to 30.6% during the repeal. That's a massive difference of about 40%. Probably a combination of a) resolutions generally passing (even if they're a repeal of a resolution that passed), b) lack of strong-arming from TWP, and c) the TWP/TEP fallout.

And at any rate, 1.3% is just room for error.

Congratulations, Gorundu.

[Praeceps]

Congratulations on passing the resolution Gor.

Interesting to note: in terms of % of For and Against votes, Commend Halo garnered 1.3 more of the percentage than this resolution.

Your point is...?

If you paid attention, earlier in this thread an argument against this resolution was how much support the commendation had. Obviously, comparing raw totals would not work due to the significantly declining WA population so I compared using % of For or Against. The repeal garnered nearly as much support as the original.

I think you're looking at things incorrectly. Whereas the original commendation garnered 70.7% of the vote, continued support for it fell to 30.6% during the repeal. That's a massive difference of about 40%. Probably a combination of a) resolutions generally passing (even if they're a repeal of a resolution that passed), b) lack of strong-arming from TWP, and c) the TWP/TEP fallout.

And at any rate, 1.3% is just room for error.

I'm not sure what the relevance of any of this is but sure.

[WayNeacTia]

Still unsure as to why exactly this repeal was needed.

[Comfed]

Disappointing. I look forward to seeing a speedy replacement.

[Big Bad Badger]

Y'all aught to be ashamed of yourselves for this!

[The Reformed American Republic]

Y'all aught to be ashamed of yourselves for this!

You raided my region over this, so why should I feel any shame? This is what you get.

[Wallenburg]

Y'all aught to be ashamed of yourselves for this!

;-; sowwy

[Big Bad Badger]

Y'all aught to be ashamed of yourselves for this!

You raided my region over this, so why should I feel any shame? This is what you get.

I didn't raid shit. But I will now...stay safe!

[The Reformed American Republic]

You raided my region over this, so why should I feel any shame? This is what you get.

I didn't raid shit. But I will now...stay safe!

You as in the TWP as a whole, regardless, I'm not scared.

[Comfed]

I didn't raid shit. But I will now...stay safe!

You as in the TWP as a whole, regardless, I'm not scared.

When the founder CTEs you will be.

Regardless this was worth raiding over.

[The Reformed American Republic]

You as in the TWP as a whole, regardless, I'm not scared.

When the founder CTEs you will be.

Regardless this was worth raiding over.

The founder is an active puppet of a game moderator, whose mod nation also resides in the region. I don't think he will let his region get raided as he is not going to go inactive any time soon. He would restore the founder nation if it ever came to that and eject the raider nations.

Edit: And look where that raiding got you! This passed anyway.

[Comfed]

When the founder CTEs you will be.

Regardless this was worth raiding over.

Edit: And look where that raiding got you! This passed anyway.

Well, raids aren’t always successful.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Edit: And look where that raiding got you! This passed anyway.

Well, raids aren’t always successful.

It did get me to care about this proposal though, and it probably caused others to vote for it. I wouldn't have even cared about this proposal if I didn't just happen to find nations with TWP flags in the regional happenings. I wonder if this passed partially due to a "backfire" effect.

[Nova Vandalia]

Well, raids aren’t always successful.

It did get me to care about this proposal though, and it probably caused others to vote for it. I wouldn't have even cared about this proposal if I didn't just happen to find nations with TWP flags in the regional happenings. I wonder if this passed partially due to a "backfire" effect.

I mean the answer to your "wondering" is pretty blatantly, no. The reason the Qourum denials where done in the first place is because it was expected to pass if it went to vote. Most of the regular authors like Honeydew and Bormiar have openly admitted the voters are a bit like sheep and go along with whatever. So no backfire effect had 0 to do with it, People not caring, and Gorundu being in TNP is why this passed.

[Honeydewistania]

Most of the regular authors like Honeydew and Bormiar have openly admitted the voters are a bit like sheep and go along with whatever.

When did I say that?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Most of the regular authors like Honeydew and Bormiar have openly admitted the voters are a bit like sheep and go along with whatever.

When did I say that?

It's probably just a TWP propaganda statement.

[Comfed]

Most of the regular authors like Honeydew and Bormiar have openly admitted the voters are a bit like sheep and go along with whatever.

When did I say that?

You have supported use of the lemming effect to pass proposals. Not that that’s necessarily a bad thing.

When did I say that?

It's probably just a TWP propaganda statement.

People expressing their independent opinions isn’t regional propaganda.

[Honeydewistania]

When did I say that?

You have supported use of the lemming effect to pass proposals. Not that that’s necessarily a bad thing.

It's probably just a TWP propaganda statement.

People expressing their independent opinions isn’t regional propaganda.

At which specific point in time did I support the use of lemming effect or say that? I’m genuinely curious.

[Nova Vandalia]

When did I say that?

It's probably just a TWP propaganda statement.

Not TWP, I did raid with them because Halo is a dear friend though , and I'm a friends with many folx from TWP but I have not ever been a citizen of TWP.

[Praeceps]

It did get me to care about this proposal though, and it probably caused others to vote for it. I wouldn't have even cared about this proposal if I didn't just happen to find nations with TWP flags in the regional happenings. I wonder if this passed partially due to a "backfire" effect.

I mean the answer to your "wondering" is pretty blatantly, no. The reason the Qourum denials where done in the first place is because it was expected to pass if it went to vote. Most of the regular authors like Honeydew and Bormiar have openly admitted the voters are a bit like sheep and go along with whatever. So no backfire effect had 0 to do with it, People not caring, and Gorundu being in TNP is why this passed.

What does Gorundu being in TNP have to do with it? TNP originally voted against the commendation and I don't recall that being a close vote internally that was swayed by Gor.

[Nova Vandalia]

TNP supported one of their owns and of course it wasn't close Gorundu is well liked there. Acting like TNP's process is completely impartial though is ridiculous, no regions is. Regions tend to back up Nations in them when it come to resolutions. YA region want to see it's own people succeed. I'm not saying TNP would have been an against vote if Gorundu wasn't a part of TNP, but I do feel like the conversation would have been closer and maybe actually worth the time and effort to have attempted to sway and change their vote.
I'm not accusing them of foul play, just that being well liked in TNP, the region with you know the Endo count equal to like the next 2 GCR's combined, and with influence on how the rest of WALL votes is advantageous because of personal politics.

Is it the only reason this passed no, did it help add to the count, show momentum, influence how other regions voted absolutely and to deny that would be ridiculous.

[Refuge Isle]

Most of the regular authors like Honeydew and Bormiar have openly admitted the voters are a bit like sheep and go along with whatever. So no backfire effect had 0 to do with it, People not caring, and Gorundu being in TNP is why this passed.

I'm not accusing them of foul play, just that being well liked in TNP, the region with you know the Endo count equal to like the next 2 GCR's combined, and with influence on how the rest of WALL votes is advantageous because of personal politics.

In my capacity as deputy minister in TEP, I am obliged to point out that this is an extraordinary exaggeration. I recently created a dispatch which lists delegates by voting power. TSP and TEP are giants in their own right, even if TNP is larger. All three supported the repeal. For TEP's stance, not that voting against TWP needed much help, but the quorum raiding was a factor in developing the vote determination, it was a factor in Wally campaigning on his own to restore the approvals, and In a private capacity, I will note that it was a factor in determining Refugia's vote, for what those 50-100 votes matter to you. But those are the places I'm somewhat involved in enough to know.

While it's also true that people will often vote with what side is winning, this may at times be misleading anecdotal observations. Many regions are happy to support the positions of their delegate, or support how their WA department feels a proposal matches up to its expectations and ideals. Their independent votes are still valuable.

[Makdon]

TNP supported one of their owns and of course it wasn't close Gorundu is well liked there. Acting like TNP's process is completely impartial though is ridiculous, no regions is. Regions tend to back up Nations in them when it come to resolutions. YA region want to see it's own people succeed. I'm not saying TNP would have been an against vote if Gorundu wasn't a part of TNP, but I do feel like the conversation would have been closer and maybe actually worth the time and effort to have attempted to sway and change their vote.
I'm not accusing them of foul play, just that being well liked in TNP, the region with you know the Endo count equal to like the next 2 GCR's combined, and with influence on how the rest of WALL votes is advantageous because of personal politics.

Is it the only reason this passed no, did it help add to the count, show momentum, influence how other regions voted absolutely and to deny that would be ridiculous.

Unlike other regions, TNP usually doesn't just back pat people it likes without any consideration for whether the proposal is well written and argued

[Praeceps]

TNP supported one of their owns and of course it wasn't close Gorundu is well liked there. Acting like TNP's process is completely impartial though is ridiculous, no regions is. Regions tend to back up Nations in them when it come to resolutions. YA region want to see it's own people succeed. I'm not saying TNP would have been an against vote if Gorundu wasn't a part of TNP, but I do feel like the conversation would have been closer and maybe actually worth the time and effort to have attempted to sway and change their vote.
I'm not accusing them of foul play, just that being well liked in TNP, the region with you know the Endo count equal to like the next 2 GCR's combined, and with influence on how the rest of WALL votes is advantageous because of personal politics.

Is it the only reason this passed no, did it help add to the count, show momentum, influence how other regions voted absolutely and to deny that would be ridiculous.

I don't think you understand my point. The original commendation was opposed internally with only one vote For, everyone else either was Against, Abstain, or Present; it was authored by TUMS who at that time was not a citizen of TNP. The repeal received four Against and was authored by, as you mentioned, Gorundu, a TNP citizen. So, in this case, despite the author being a TNPer, there was actually less support from TNP for the resolution compared to the opposition originally which is contrary to your position that if the author was from a different region that there would have been less support for the repeal.

Additionally, the influence that Gorundu seems to have had on WALL is... non-existent? Balder voted Against. Europeia initially voted For and then withdrew their vote. Europe didn't vote. The IDU didn't vote.