[DEFEATED] Commend Llorens

[Maowi]

Thanks for those comments Maowi. I've made some rephrasing to those points you had pointed out and has also fixed the grammatical error. On those places where you had talked about details (Census, Diplomacy) i had it before in the drafts but had to remove due to fluff and various conflicts with the points. I'll be removing the roleplay mention from the draft as well as fixing the bullet point. On the IAFF, i wouldn't be able to write why it's different from the rest because it would definitely break the 4th wall since it would mention Discord and stuff.

If there's no more criticism and suggestions then i hope to submit this within two weeks.

These are fair points. I think if you wanted to explain about the IAFF without breaking the fourth wall you potentially could, by using roundabout phrasing e.g. saying that it was mediated using a different platform that facilitated more casual socialisation - obviously if you don't think it's a relevant point then that's fine but I just wanted to suggest a way you could go about it if you do think it would be worth including.

[Indusse]

That seems right Maowi, updated it a bit. Planning to submit this within a week.

[Indusse]

This would be the final bump before submission. Thank y'all for the cooperation.

[Indusse]

This has been submitted. I request the delegates to approve the above proposal.

[Kavagrad]

Fingers crossed!

[Fachumonn]

Your campaign telegram led to a proposal that doesn't exist...

[Indusse]

Your campaign telegram led to a proposal that doesn't exist...

Will be sending one tommorow, i had to withdraw and again post due to typo.

[Twertis]

Your campaign telegram led to a proposal that doesn't exist...

Was wondering why this wasn't getting approvals.

I just can't vote for this draft, no matter how well done, but your drafting has been remarkably persistent. I'm very impressed, and I think that the voters should take your effort into consideration. This was a very scrappy draft back in 2020, and you've really transformed it, so again great job.

[Indusse]

This proposal is now in the queue and is projected that it would go for vote within 15 hours.

[Fachumonn]

This proposal has been approved.

[Kavagrad]

And away we go!

Commend Llorens is now at vote.

[Outer Sparta]

I voted against since I don't think Llo's achievements warrant a commendation, although that's just my personal opinion and one can certainly argue in favor of their merits. However, it is a well-written draft, and the author certainly has come a long way to elevate it.

[Kavagrad]

I voted against since I don't think Llo's achievements warrant a commendation, although that's just my personal opinion and one can certainly argue in favor of their merits. However, it is a well-written draft, and the author certainly has come a long way to elevate it.

This isn't targeted at you, I just happened to see this after finding out that a certain region is using the same rationale for voting against.

It's my view that if Llo had done his work in a region of the same size, that just happened to be more integrated into Gameplay, a lot of this talk wouldn't exist.

If he'd done it in a GCR, there wouldn't even be a question, and he'd have had this commendation in the bag when he retired a year ago.

I don't want to point at any specific resolution or draft here, but I strongly believe that less commendable candidates have not faced the same opposition. In fact, some have received overwhelming support. Can't help but feel very bitter about this one, especially as Llo is someone that I've worked with closely and that I know deserves the recognition given the sheer extent of the work he's put in to help TLA become what it is today.

[El Lazaro]

The TLA/TCB crowd, for the most part, is a deplorable rabble of red fascists masquerading as your friendly neighborhood pan-leftist community— one which will coincidentally silence those who don’t stand up for real-world atrocities and totalitarianism.

I don’t know whether Llorens is one of them, but that description seems to match many higher-ups in those two regions, and condoning apologism for and denialism of mass murder is plain wrong. Even if this is just a game. Against.

[Outer Sparta]

I voted against since I don't think Llo's achievements warrant a commendation, although that's just my personal opinion and one can certainly argue in favor of their merits. However, it is a well-written draft, and the author certainly has come a long way to elevate it.

This isn't targeted at you, I just happened to see this after finding out that a certain region is using the same rationale for voting against.

It's my view that if Llo had done his work in a region of the same size, that just happened to be more integrated into Gameplay, a lot of this talk wouldn't exist.

If he'd done it in a GCR, there wouldn't even be a question, and he'd have had this commendation in the bag when he retired a year ago.

I don't want to point at any specific resolution or draft here, but I strongly believe that less commendable candidates have not faced the same opposition. In fact, some have received overwhelming support. Can't help but feel very bitter about this one, especially as Llo is someone that I've worked with closely and that I know deserves the recognition given the sheer extent of the work he's put in to help TLA become what it is today.

Are you going after me for using the same rationale as another region for voting against (even though I never actually seen that statement)? Because it seems like you're trying to go after me for that.

[Fachumonn]

The TLA/TCB crowd, for the most part, is a deplorable rabble of red fascists masquerading as your friendly neighborhood pan-leftist community— one which will coincidentally silence those who don’t stand up for real-world atrocities and totalitarianism.

I don’t know whether Llorens is one of them, but that description seems to match many higher-ups in those two regions, and condoning apologism for and denialism of mass murder is plain wrong. Even if this is just a game. Against.

What and what. You're off on everything about them honestly. As I have briefed earlier, Full support and will be asking the 38 WA members of my region to vote For.

[Kavagrad]

This isn't targeted at you, I just happened to see this after finding out that a certain region is using the same rationale for voting against.

It's my view that if Llo had done his work in a region of the same size, that just happened to be more integrated into Gameplay, a lot of this talk wouldn't exist.

If he'd done it in a GCR, there wouldn't even be a question, and he'd have had this commendation in the bag when he retired a year ago.

I don't want to point at any specific resolution or draft here, but I strongly believe that less commendable candidates have not faced the same opposition. In fact, some have received overwhelming support. Can't help but feel very bitter about this one, especially as Llo is someone that I've worked with closely and that I know deserves the recognition given the sheer extent of the work he's put in to help TLA become what it is today.

Are you going after me for using the same rationale as another region for voting against (even though I never actually seen that statement)? Because it seems like you're trying to go after me for that.

Not going after you at all, just using the opportunity that your post provides to explain my view on that rationale publicly. No offence intended.

[Twertis]

Kava:

If you don't think that certain candidates are as commendable as Llorens, you should call them out and try to repeal it— clearly we can't have an inconsistent standard for commendability, right? How are we going to protect the UCR-rites unless we stay, quantitatively, reptillianly unbiased?

Unfortunately, it's a futile goal. I've resigned to consider commendations based on how tenured, powerful, and creative the nominees seem to be— sort of a holistic consideration of their traits, contributions, modus operandi and ripples in NS. It's easier to do that if the author gives some kind of interesting story (a serial couper, pioneering card farmer, curious issues analyst, etc). But all I see here is another region-builder doing things we've had since 2004. That doesn't make him less commendable, but it does make it harder to see how he is commendable.

Plus NSToday .

[Fachumonn]

This isn't targeted at you, I just happened to see this after finding out that a certain region is using the same rationale for voting against.

It's my view that if Llo had done his work in a region of the same size, that just happened to be more integrated into Gameplay, a lot of this talk wouldn't exist.

If he'd done it in a GCR, there wouldn't even be a question, and he'd have had this commendation in the bag when he retired a year ago.

I don't want to point at any specific resolution or draft here, but I strongly believe that less commendable candidates have not faced the same opposition. In fact, some have received overwhelming support. Can't help but feel very bitter about this one, especially as Llo is someone that I've worked with closely and that I know deserves the recognition given the sheer extent of the work he's put in to help TLA become what it is today.

Are you going after me for using the same rationale as another region for voting against (even though I never actually seen that statement)? Because it seems like you're trying to go after me for that.

They state it isn't targeted at you. (Ninja'd on this one edit) And Kava makes exceptional points here.

[Outer Sparta]

Are you going after me for using the same rationale as another region for voting against (even though I never actually seen that statement)? Because it seems like you're trying to go after me for that.

Not going after you at all, just using the opportunity that your post provides to explain my view on that rationale publicly. No offence intended.

I'm not downplaying Llo or TLA, it' just my personal view that I don't see them as commendable (50/50 on this vote, but edged slightly towards voting against).

I knew them from NSToday, but what happened to the organization? Is it still running or not as prominent as it once was?

[Astrobolt]

The TLA/TCB crowd, for the most part, is a deplorable rabble of red fascists masquerading as your friendly neighborhood pan-leftist community— one which will coincidentally silence those who don’t stand up for real-world atrocities and totalitarianism.

I don’t know whether Llorens is one of them, but that description seems to match many higher-ups in those two regions, and condoning apologism for and denialism of mass murder is plain wrong. Even if this is just a game. Against.

This is deeply concerning to me if this is true. Do you have evidence to back this claim?

[Fachumonn]

Not going after you at all, just using the opportunity that your post provides to explain my view on that rationale publicly. No offence intended.

I'm not downplaying Llo or TLA, it' just my personal view that I don't see them as commendable (50/50 on this vote, but edged slightly towards voting against).

I knew them from NSToday, but what happened to the organization? Is it still running or not as prominent as it once was?

It is still running. Maybe not as prominent, but that doesn't take away from Llo's accomplishments in it IMO.

[Outer Sparta]

I'm not downplaying Llo or TLA, it' just my personal view that I don't see them as commendable (50/50 on this vote, but edged slightly towards voting against).

I knew them from NSToday, but what happened to the organization? Is it still running or not as prominent as it once was?

It is still running. Maybe not as prominent, but that doesn't take away from Llo's accomplishments in it IMO.

I didn't say it takes away from their accomplishments in NSToday, I was just wondering if it was still running and if he's still in charge.

[Fachumonn]

The TLA/TCB crowd, for the most part, is a deplorable rabble of red fascists masquerading as your friendly neighborhood pan-leftist community— one which will coincidentally silence those who don’t stand up for real-world atrocities and totalitarianism.

I don’t know whether Llorens is one of them, but that description seems to match many higher-ups in those two regions, and condoning apologism for and denialism of mass murder is plain wrong. Even if this is just a game. Against.

This is deeply concerning to me if this is true. Do you have evidence to back this claim?

You realise what they are saying, right? They don't like people who deny mass murder? That is regular, not even in leftist regions.

[Kavagrad]

It is still running. Maybe not as prominent, but that doesn't take away from Llo's accomplishments in it IMO.

I didn't say it takes away from their accomplishments in NSToday, I was just wondering if it was still running and if he's still in charge.

Llo resigned from all his roles at NSToday in April 2021, shortly after his retirement in TLA. He was involved from pretty much the beginning up to that point.

NSToday is still running, though with significantly less activity than it was when Llo was around.