[PASSED] Citizenship And Birth Act

[Daarwyrth]

And for "basically controlling another nation’s law", yes, it does. But as the esteemed ambassador from Jedinsto stated, if you don't like the concept of an international body imposing regulations on member nations, then I don't know why you are a member of the WA.

Dame Maria vyn Nysen: "To be honest, Ambassador, I have been rubbing my temples more than once over this exact thing. It seems as if some delegations have yet to learn the meaning of "international community" as well as that the World Assembly isn't a simple a name on paper, but an actual entity with significant influence.

But to remain on the subject at hand, your proposal draft appears to be in good order to our delegation. Congratulations, Ambassador."

[New Hawubagatica]

This bill is terrible. Why cant we make better bills. The Federation of New Hawubagatica does not believe that it should have to take care of other countries children.

[Daarwyrth]

This bill is terrible. Why cant we make better bills. The Federation of New Hawubagatica does not believe that it should have to take care of other countries children.

Dame Maria vyn Nysen:"If the delegation from the Federation of New Hawubagatica believes this bill is so horrific and calls for "better" ones, they are welcome to write one themselves.

Unless your statement is a mere 'I don't like this bill so it is bad' type of comment, Ambassador? Simply asserting something is bad doesn't make it bad, and you haven't articulated why you consider this resolution draft to be bad."

[North Silldistia Cita]

I agree it is a divine right for citizenship to those born on a nations land.

[South St Maarten]

Proposal submitted.

[Boston Castle]

Best of luck on campaigning and at vote, South St Maarten!

[South St Maarten]

Best of luck on campaigning and at vote, South St Maarten!

Thank you!

[Imperium Anglorum]

Approved.

[Daarwyrth]

Proposal submitted.

Vyn Nysen: "Best of luck, Ambassador, it has been a pleasure working with you through commentary and feedback."

[South St Maarten]

Proposal submitted.

Vyn Nysen: "Best of luck, Ambassador, it has been a pleasure working with you through commentary and feedback."

IC: Likewise, ambassador, and thank you

[Tinhampton]

Reluctant-ish support.

[South St Maarten]

Reluctant-ish support.

Thanks just the same Tinhampton

[Tinhampton]

As the current title suggests, this reached quorum in less than a day (at 1332 BST) and will likely be voted on between major update on Monday 26th April and major update on Friday 30th April, after Wallenburg's repeal of GA#128 "On Abortion."

AS OF 1341 GMT ON WEDNESDAY: Approvals: 61 out of 61 needed (Stedinia, J-O-E, Merulla, Some People on Planet Arcadia, Panther, Kingdom of Derita, United States of Europe-, Habil, Sartell Koltis, Meshakhad, Grey County, Creator Land, The New North Republic, Calamari Lands, Nekomimea, North Sonovia, Mikeswill, Draavida, Owswaldia, Arreche, Tinhampton, Traden, Sedgistan, The Hard Part, Castelia, Valerity, Anarchistic SA, Korwinostan, Republic of Blank, Imperium Anglorum, KingT, Yjlom, Sufferlandia, Baloo Kingdom, Santa Thereza, Spectral Empire, Wischland, Seludong, Xukong, Zarnath 2, North Supreria, Silver-Tree, Infusvia, Zombiedolphins, The Eurasian SFSR, Grenson, United Dependencies, Littjara, Beepee, San Teodoro de Haro, Karteria, Reultan, Libonesia, Falthonia, The Pop Punk Union, Felistia, Yugandastan, Fortye, Tvrtkovija, Ruinenlust, Jedingtown)

[Wallenburg]

"My office considers this bill harmful to Wallenburgian society and must oppose it. We are pleased, however, that the harmful effects it has would, on its implementation, be minimal."

OOC: Excellent proposal, and I hope it does well.

[South St Maarten]

"My office considers this bill harmful to Wallenburgian society and must oppose it. We are pleased, however, that the harmful effects it has would, on its implementation, be minimal."

OOC: Excellent proposal, and I hope it does well.

Appreciated, & thanks for your help throughout

[Remlasia]

The Principality of Remlasia votes AGAINST this proposal.

Proclamation: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=rem ... id=1537437

• Notwithstanding, the Principality of Remlasia agrees with the general principle that persons should not be at risk of becoming stateless.
  
• Notwithstanding, The Crown Prince of the Principality of Remlasia has in effect procedures for granting citizenship to a person who is declared stateless, or to a person who is deemed by His Majesty to be 'effectively stateless' by way of that person having only citizenship with a failed State, or a State in which the life of that person is in danger due to State-sanctioned activity or malpractice.
  
• However, Section 2 of the Resoluton at Vote requires member states to accept dual nationality which goes beyond the purpose of preventing persons from being, or becoming, stateless.
  
• It should not be necessary for the Sovereign of the Principality of Remlasia be compelled to offer citizenship to any person who becomes, or is, a citizen of the Sovereign of a foreign country (which is the effect of Section 2 of the Resolution at Vote); and the same case may reasonably be argued by the Sovereign of a foreign country in respect of citizenship granted by the Sovereign of the Principality of Remlasia.
  
• His Majesty intends not to exercise his discretionary power, as described in Article 15 of the Constitution Act, to bring into effect the objects of this Resolution at Vote, if said resolution is passed. As such, it shall be at the discretion of the elected members of the Legislative Assembly to pass a law, subject to Royal Assent, to comply with this Resolution at Vote, if said resolution is passed.

[Weed]

We cannot follow what #2 actually is intended to do. I was prepared for the requirement to be that member nations give citizenship to their OWN nation in the case of a child of parents that immigrated to the nation, and was surprised it went a different way. The requirement of making them citizens of a nation they have never been to seems oddly unhelpful. Or is the purpose of this resolution that if our citizens emigrate elsewhere then we have to recognize their children as citizens of our nation? Which again, seems mildly unhelpful to these people, especially since if they emigrated to a non-member state that #3 would not help them, so my recognizing them as citizens very well may cost them the citizenship that would actually benefit them and make it easier for them to be deported in many legal systems.

"In such cases where an individual would otherwise be stateless, in following jus sanguinis, all children of citizens of member nations shall be granted citizenship in all nations in which their parent(s) are citizens, regardless of their location of birth."

It seems to clearly limit this to situations where a child would be stateless, so rare situations only. Further, the "in following" bit sounded to me the first time as if following jus sanguinis was going to be what made them stateless. As in, in situations where citizenship is tied to your parents being citizens, then the children of non-citizens could end up being citizens of no nation if their parents nation of origin has birth-place citizenship only. But, then later I thought maybe "in following" is just useless wording not necessary to understand the line. Very confusing either way. "Their" is also difficult to place because it seems first to refer to the parents place of birth, but I think it is intended as singular their tying ally the way back to "individual". Singular their is not ideal here, as it is more frequently used as a plural pronoun and the closest noun to the word is a plural ("parents"). If you read it as saying "regardless of the parent's location of birth" as I did the first time, then again, totally throws the whole resolution out of the window because the CHILD's location of birth can still be a factor.

I don't know if it is just late and my brain has given out, but I honestly just can't wrap my head around that line, and since it is the big line of the resolution I'm at a loss for what this actually is even trying to do.

[Lumermeyr]

4. All children shall receive their citizenship(s) at birth and must retain them in perpetuity, unless they are revoked in accordance with procedures outlined in national or international law, voluntarily renounced, or terminated in accordance with Article 5.

5. If one of the multiple citizenships of a person has been passed down more than three generations without any of those generations living in that nation, the relevant nation may terminate that person's citizenship when they reach the age of majority.

"It is an unfathomable offence against human rights for any state to terminate any person's citizenship. I understand this is due to previous legislation, but the Lumer Embassy finds it unacceptable.
Furthermore, there are no transitional provisions in this very resolution: children born after hypothetical success of this bill will be covered, but all of those stateless people that caused this matter to be brought up in the first place have not been included."

[Daarwyrth]

4. All children shall receive their citizenship(s) at birth and must retain them in perpetuity, unless they are revoked in accordance with procedures outlined in national or international law, voluntarily renounced, or terminated in accordance with Article 5.

5. If one of the multiple citizenships of a person has been passed down more than three generations without any of those generations living in that nation, the relevant nation may terminate that person's citizenship when they reach the age of majority.

It is an unfathomable offence against human rights for any state to terminate any person's citizenship. I understand this is due to previous legislation, but the Lumer Embassy finds it unacceptable.

Dame Maria vyn Nysen: "Ambassador, imagine a situation where citizenships will be passed on from child to child in perpetuity. What will citizenship even mean to a child who has 10 different citizenships, in 10 different nations, of which they may not even have heard ever in their life. Why should such an individual hold citizenship in a nation that they don't even know exists? What ties do they have to that nation? A state must be able to terminate citizenship after a reasonable period, such as described in Clause 5. If three generations of people have not lived in the country that they hold citizenship of, then that state can assume they no longer have any ties with the nation."

[Lumermeyr]

Dame Maria vyn Nysen: "Ambassador, imagine a situation where citizenships will be passed on from child to child in perpetuity. What will citizenship even mean to a child who has 10 different citizenships, in 10 different nations, of which they may not even have heard ever in their life. Why should such an individual hold citizenship in a nation that they don't even know exists? What ties do they have to that nation? A state must be able to terminate citizenship after a reasonable period, such as described in Clause 5. If three generations of people have not lived in the country that they hold citizenship of, then that state can assume they no longer have any ties with the nation."

"A reasonable argument, Dame vyn Nysen, although an unnecessary step if the citizenship law had a generation restriction: if three generations of people have not lived in the country that they hold citizenship of, the state still cannot assume anything; the state could only not grant citizenship to the second or third generation's offspring: not terminate, but not grant; that way only after a certain amount of generations passed will the citizenships expire, while not violating citizens' personal rights. The Minister for Foreign Affairs, as requested by His Majesty the King, has instructed me to state that the Lumer diplomatic mission to WA would support this resolution, if it were not for clauses 4 and 5, and the specific descriptions of terminating anybody's citizenship."

[GreaterFrance]

This shouldn't be that simple.
If the parents are immigrants the children shouldn't get the citizenship of the country he or she is born in automatically.
They should keep the original nationality of the parents, then at a certain age they should pass a test to know if they deserve to get the citizenship (like the parents if they wish to get the citizenship) and the advantages that go with.
The resolution at vote can easily lead to illegality and massive immigration.
Not to mention that it is illegal here that parents with a different nationaity live in our country forever.

The resolution should be more strict.

[American Pere Housh]

"Unlike many of my fellow CCD nations in the WA, APH fully backs such a proposal as this. In fact, If any Sapient being has gives birth whether by live birth or hatching from an egg is giving automatic citizenship in the the New Martial Kingdom."

[British Starsian Influence]

The Starsi Brit Ambassador rubs his forehead. It's been a long day.

RIVERS: Yeah. Fine. Whatever.

His head crashes down on his desk, and his aides try in vain to wake him.

[American Pere Housh]

The Starsi Brit Ambassador rubs his forehead. It's been a long day.

RIVERS: Yeah. Fine. Whatever.

His head crashes down on his desk, and his aides try in vain to wake him.

Vanny looked at the ambassador with concern so she spoke to one of his aides, "Should I call an ambulance or not?"

[Lumermeyr]

The Starsi Brit Ambassador rubs his forehead. It's been a long day.

RIVERS: Yeah. Fine. Whatever.

His head crashes down on his desk, and his aides try in vain to wake him.

Vanny looked at the ambassador with concern so she spoke to one of his aides, "Should I call an ambulance or not?"

"Legs high up on the desk, Ambassadors, get the blood back to the poor lad's head!"