[PASSED] Condemn Minineenee

[Sedgistan]

I have been working on this draft for a bit, but have not yet had a chance to post it. The nominee has definitely earned it by now, and it's just surprising that it hasn't been done yet. As usual, suggestions and advice are more than welcome (please do so).

Edit: Second draft is up now. Suggestions by Unibot and Jo have been implemented (including consulting ASBS and CG about their feelings regarding the subject).

Another edit: Third draft is up. I worked on addressing issues raised by BBD and Bormiar with more detail on certain areas and clarification on some clauses which contained less information than needed.

Edit the third: Added BBD's wording edits.

The Security Council,

Beginning with the fact that Minineenee first entered the world stage in Autumn 2003 and since that time has participated in and orchestrated many egregious offenses against the community.

Bringing to light the first of the coups by Minineenee with the overthrow of The West Pacific on November 2, 2005, wherein Minineenee and their allies in the Core held absolute power under a declaration of martial law following the announcement of dissolution of the constitution with Minineenee as the sitting Delegate. The coup led to a period of instability and chaos in The West Pacific which persisted for many years after.

Observing that Minineenee spearheaded the formation of Empire, a notorious organization which operated under the cloak of anonymity which was achieved by the promotion of satellite nations to conceal their true identities. Minineenee, as the leader of the organization, drove Empire's formation and contributed greatly to the selection of regions targeted as well as the execution of each of these operations. Empire would go on to enact multiple coups or conduct such attempts on many significant regions across the world from 2008 onwards.

Deeply concerned by the coup of The East Pacific which was successfully carried out on August 16, 2008, through the satellite nation Lady Phedre and under the aegis of the newly formed Empire. Through the unlawful gathering of endorsements, Minineenee built up to the coup until Gnidrah was finally replaced and the satellite nation of Lady Phedre controlled The East Pacific. Minineenee's roles were as the ringleader of the group and as the head of the illegitimate government, where they most notably served as the Delegate of the coup government of The East Pacific for the duration of the operation. The coup ended some two months after the initial seizure of the region from the sitting legal Delegate, Gnidrah. Over one-hundred nations were banned from The East Pacific during the coup.

Further disturbed by the execution of the unlawful seizure of Osiris in 2012 from the legitimately elected Pharaoh, an effort which was publicly spearheaded by Minineenee’s Empire allies Dalimbar and New Kervoskia but encouraged and driven by Minineenee behind the scenes, as credit for the inspiration and eventual execution was eventually attributed to Minineenee by the executors of the coup.

Discomfited by Minineenee and Empire garnering their core support from among numerous heinous imperialist groups which historically also worked against the good of sovereign regions and their right to self-governance, such as Gatesville, The New Inquisition, and Great Britain and Ireland.

Perturbed by the effectiveness of early elitist propaganda issued by Empire under Minineenee's direction intended to battle the narrative of the natives of the regions who sought to reclaim their home regions from the invading forces.

Alarmed that Minineenee was further caught attempting to coup several other regions across their time, namely concentrating these efforts in the Sinker regions. Two such regions which Minineenee attempted to coup were:
• The Rejected Realms, both in 2011 and early 2015, attempted by subtly gathering endorsements from unwitting natives of the region through the use of hitherto-unknown satellite nations. Both efforts were outed before they could succeed.
• Lazarus during its seemingly free-for-all Anarchy phase in 2018 through solicitation of endorsements from unwitting natives and allies alike, an effort made before a stabilized new regime could be enacted by the native populace and which was ultimately thwarted by the then-current delegate, Imkiville.

Believing that Minineenee’s shocking efforts against the sovereignty of the natives across the NationStates world are worthy of international recognition and concerned that this has not yet been addressed.

Hereby Condemns Minineenee.

The Security Council,

Beginning with the fact that Minineenee first entered the world stage in Autumn 2003 and since that time has participated in and orchestrated many egregious offenses against the community.

Introducing the first of the coups by Minineenee with the overthrow of The West Pacific on November 2, 2005, wherein Minineenee and their allies in the Core held absolute power under a declaration of martial law following the announcement of dissolution of the constitution with Minineenee as the sitting Delegate. The coup led to a period of instability and chaos in The West Pacific which persisted for many years after.

Observing that Minineenee spearheaded the formation of Empire, a notorious organization which operated under the cloak of anonymity which was achieved by the promotion of satellite nations to conceal their true identities. Minineenee was the forefront and leader of this group, drove its formation, and contributed greatly to the selection of regions targeted as well as the execution of each of these operations. Empire would go on to execute multiple coups or conduct such attempts on many significant regions across the world from 2008 onwards.

Deeply concerned by the coup of The East Pacific which was executed on August 16, 2008, through the satellite nation Lady Phedre and under the aegis of the newly formed Empire. Through the unlawful gathering of endorsements, Minineenee built up to the coup until Gnidrah was finally replaced and the satellite nation of Lady Phedre controlled The East Pacific. Minineenee's roles were as the ringleader of the group and as the head of the illegitimate government, where they most notably served as the Delegate of the coup government of The East Pacific for the duration of the operation. The coup ended some two months after the initial seizure of the region from the sitting legal Delegate, Gnidrah. Over one-hundred nations were banned from The East Pacific during the coup.

Further disturbed by the execution of the unlawful seizure of Osiris in 2012 from the legitimately elected Pharaoh, an effort which was publicly spearheaded by Minineenee’s Empire allies Dalimbar and New Kervoskia but encouraged and driven by Minineenee behind the scenes, as credit for the inspiration and eventual execution was eventually attributed to Minineenee by the executors of the coup.

Discomfited by Minineenee and Empire garnering their core support from among numerous heinous imperialist groups which historically also worked against the good of sovereign regions and their right to self-governance, such as Gatesville, The New Inquisition, and Great Britain and Ireland.

Concerned by the effectiveness of early elitist propaganda issued by Empire under Minineenee's direction intended to battle the narrative of the natives of the regions who sought to reclaim their home regions from the invading forces.

Alarmed that Minineenee was further caught attempting to coup several other regions across their time, namely concentrating these efforts in the Sinker regions. Two such regions which Minineenee attempted to coup were:
• The Rejected Realms, both in 2011 and early 2015, attempted by subtly gathering endorsements from unwitting natives of the region through the use of hitherto-unknown satellite nations. Both efforts were outed before they could succeed.
• Lazarus during its Anarchy phase in 2018, an effort made before a stabilized new regime could be enacted by the native populace and which was ultimately thwarted by the then-current delegate, Imkiville.

Believing that Minineenee’s shocking efforts against the sovereignty of the natives across the NationStates world are worthy of international recognition and concerned that this has not yet been addressed.

Hereby Condemns Minineenee.

The Security Council,

Beginning with the fact that Minineenee first entered the world stage in Autumn 2003 and since that time has participated in and orchestrated many egregious offenses against the community.

Introducing the first of the coups by Minineenee with the overthrow of The West Pacific onNovember 2, 2005, wherein Minineenee and their allies in the Core held absolute power under a declaration of martial law following the announcement of dissolution of the constitution with Minineenee as the sitting Delegate. The coup led to a period of instability and chaos in The West Pacific that persisted for many years after.

Observing that Minineenee spearheaded the formation of Empire, a notorious organization that concealed the identities of its many members through the promotion of satellite nations. Minineenee was the leader of this group and contributed greatly to all regions targeted. Empire would go on to execute multiple coups or conduct such attempts on many significant regions across the world from 2008 onwards.

Deeply concerned by the coup of The East Pacific executed on August 16, 2008, through the satellite nation Lady Phedre and under the aegis of the newly formed Empire. The coup ended some two months after the initial seizure of the region from the sitting legal Delegate, Gnidrah, by gathering endorsements unlawfully until Gnidrah was replaced and the satellite nation of Lady Phedre controlled The East Pacific. Over one-hundred nations were banned from The East Pacific during the coup.

Further disturbed by the execution of the unlawful seizure of Osiris in 2012 from the legitimately elected Pharaoh, an effort which was spearheaded by Minineenee’s Empire allies Dalimbar and New Kervoskia but driven by Minineenee.

Discomfited by Minineenee and Empire garnering their core support from among numerous heinous imperialist groups which historically also worked against the good of sovereign regions and their right to self-governance, such as Gatesville, The New Inquisition, and Great Britain and Ireland.

Concerned by the effectiveness of early elitist propaganda issued by Empire under Minineenee's direction intended to battle the narrative of the natives of the regions who sought to reclaim their home regions from the invading forces.

Alarmed that Minineenee was further caught attempting to coup several other regions across their time, namely concentrating these efforts in the Sinker regions. Two such regions which Minineenee attempted to coup were:
• The Rejected Realms, both in 2011 and early 2015, attempted by subtly gathering endorsements from unwitting natives of the region through the use of hitherto-unknown satellite nations. Both efforts were outed before they could succeed.
• Lazarus during its Anarchy phase in 2018, an effort made before a stabilized new regime could be enacted by the native populace and which was ultimately thwarted by the then-current delegate, Imkiville.

Believing that Minineenee’s shocking efforts against the sovereignty of the natives across the NationStates world are worthy of international recognition and concerned that this has not yet been addressed.

Hereby Condemns Minineenee.

Acknowledging that Minineenee first entered the world stage in Fall 2003 and has since committed to excellent work for their main region in which they spent the majority of their career.

Determining that the benevolent work of this nation is contrasted sharply by many actions which have repeatedly and egregiously violated regional sovereignty across the NationStates world.

Beginning with the coup of The West Pacific in the form of the West Pacific Dominion on November 2, 2005, where Minineenee and their allies in the Core held absolute power under a declaration of martial law following the announcement of dissolution of the constitution, with Minineenee as the sitting Delegate.

Observing that Minineenee spearheaded of the formation of a notorious organization known as Empire, an effort which initially involved shrouding the true identities of the nations involved through promotion of satellite nations as the masterminds of the organization to the public eye. Minineenee was the leader of this group and contributed greatly to all regions targeted. Empire, almost always led by Minineenee during their work, would go on to execute multiple coups or conduct such attempts on many significant regions across the world from 2008 onwards.

Horrified by the successful and unapologetic coups enacted directly by Empire, including:
• The coup of The East Pacific executed on August 16, 2008, through the satellite nation Lady Phedre and under the aegis of the newly formed Empire. Through the unlawful gathering of endorsements, Minineenee built up to the coup until Gnidrah was finally replaced and the satellite nation of Lady Phedre controlled The East Pacific. Minineenee's roles were as the ringleader of the group and as the head of the illegitimate government, where they most notably served as the Delegate of the coup government of The East Pacific for the duration of the operation. The coup ended some two months after the initial seizure of the region from the sitting legal Delegate, Gnidrah. Over one-hundred nations were banned from The East Pacific during the coup.
• The execution of the unlawful seizure of Osiris in 2012 from the legitimately elected Pharaoh, an effort which was publicly spearheaded by Minineenee’s Empire allies Dalimbar and New Kervoskia but secretly driven by Minineenee behind the scenes, as credit for the inspiration and eventual execution of the coup was granted to Minineenee by the executors of the coup.

Discomfited by Minineenee and Empire garnering their core support from among numerous heinous imperialist groups which historically also worked against the good of sovereign regions and their right to self-governance, such as Gatesville Inc and Great Britain and Ireland.

Concerned by the effectiveness of early elitist propaganda issued by Empire under Minineenee's direction intended to battle the narrative of the natives of the regions who sought to reclaim their home regions from the invading forces.

Alarmed that Minineenee was further caught attempting to coup several other regions across their time, namely concentrating these efforts in the Sinker regions. Two such regions which Minineenee attempted to coup were:
• The Rejected Realms, both in 2011 and early 2015, attempted by subtly gathering endorsements from unwitting natives of the region through the use of hitherto-unknown satellite nations. Both efforts were outed before they could succeed.
• Lazarus during its Anarchy phase in 2018, an effort made before a stabilized new regime could be enacted by the native populace and which was ultimately thwarted by the then-current delegate, Imkiville.

Believing that Minineenee’s shocking efforts against the sovereignty of the natives across the NationStates world are worthy of international recognition and deeply concerned that this has not yet been addressed.

Hereby Condemns Minineenee.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Neenee also ate my hamster!

Not true, but Nee is well worthy of this Condemn. First impressions of this draft are very favourable, but I’ll need to read it through a couple of times more before I make more detailed comments.

[Unibot III]

I think the issue facing this resolution is it's trying to be both a condemnation and a commendation, but for crises that actually did impact regions, and for whom these regions may not reflect upon the activities as goodhearted fun:

1) The Empire screwed Osiris royally.
2) Opinion of the Empire in TEP improved during the Rahl years, but the Empire coup was pretty destructive in TEP for the natives that dealt with it.
3) TRR was lucky to get the Empire out of the region.

Language like "believing that Minineenee’s shocking efforts against the sovereignty of the natives across the NationStates world are worthy of international recognition" leads the reader to believe that the resolution isn't to be taken seriously, but the communities who were actually impacted by the Empire might feel differently.

[Xoriet]

I think the issue facing this resolution is it's trying to be both a condemnation and a commendation, but for crises that actually did impact regions, and for whom these regions may not reflect upon the activities as goodhearted fun:

1) The Empire screwed Osiris royally.
2) Opinion of the Empire in TEP improved during the Rahl years, but the Empire coup was pretty destructive in TEP for the natives that dealt with it.
3) TRR was lucky to get the Empire out of the region.

Language like "believing that Minineenee’s shocking efforts against the sovereignty of the natives across the NationStates world are worthy of international recognition" leads the reader to believe that the resolution isn't to be taken seriously, but the communities who were actually impacted by the Empire might feel differently.

If you're reading it as a Commendation, you'd be wrong on that count. I can see how you'd get that idea, but it's definitely not the intent.

edit: And with that in mind, you’d be suggesting removing that?

[Unibot III]

I think the issue facing this resolution is it's trying to be both a condemnation and a commendation, but for crises that actually did impact regions, and for whom these regions may not reflect upon the activities as goodhearted fun:

1) The Empire screwed Osiris royally.
2) Opinion of the Empire in TEP improved during the Rahl years, but the Empire coup was pretty destructive in TEP for the natives that dealt with it.
3) TRR was lucky to get the Empire out of the region.

Language like "believing that Minineenee’s shocking efforts against the sovereignty of the natives across the NationStates world are worthy of international recognition" leads the reader to believe that the resolution isn't to be taken seriously, but the communities who were actually impacted by the Empire might feel differently.

If you're reading it as a Commendation, you'd be wrong on that count. I can see how you'd get that idea, but it's definitely not the intent.

edit: And with that in mind, you’d be suggesting removing that?

Well “international recognition” for instance is generally a positive thing. I understand the resolution is trying to say it’s recognizing the nominee’s bad behaviour, but there’s some language here that (unintentionally?) implies the resolution is tongue-in-cheek.

There have been lots of fun “you’re so bad *wink* *wink*” condemnations over the years, and basically what I was saying is I don’t know if the communities impacted would feel that’s appropriate here.

[SherpDaWerp]

Fall 2003

No chance of using the proper word for autumn, then?

I'm indifferent, mostly because they seem to be on auto-login, though it sounds like it's worth recording their actions in the history books somewhere.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

After a re-read and a look at Unibot’s comments I do find myself agreeing with him partly (can’t believe I said that).

Uni does have a point about the effect such coups have on the community that’s been couped - I still remember how angry I was to find the Core under Nee’s delegacy had taken over TWP so I think the language in the Condemn should, to an extent, reflect that.

Also I think it would be fair to add to the TWP section that while the coup was short lived it started a process of de-stabilisation of the region that lasted a number of years. Looking back it was the first domino in a chain that led directly to the Dominion and TWP’s government in exile.

Edit: just noticed that you called the grouping that couped in 2005 the Dominion - pretty certain it was the Core (Neenee, Biyah and Zeta One?) while the Dominion was later (TAO initially, Biyah initially, Lake Lanier, Wickedly Evil People, Ivan and Unistrut).

[Daytime to Night]

Unsure on the condemnation itself, so I'll observe the discussion before commenting further but the coup in TEP lasted four months (and two days) ending a week before Christmas that year

[Xoriet]

If you're reading it as a Commendation, you'd be wrong on that count. I can see how you'd get that idea, but it's definitely not the intent.

edit: And with that in mind, you’d be suggesting removing that?

Well “international recognition” for instance is generally a positive thing. I understand the resolution is trying to say it’s recognizing the nominee’s bad behaviour, but there’s some language here that (unintentionally?) implies the resolution is tongue-in-cheek.

There have been lots of fun “you’re so bad *wink* *wink*” condemnations over the years, and basically what I was saying is I don’t know if the communities impacted would feel that’s appropriate here.

It's fairly easy to remove and rephrase in general, so consider that one done.

Current:
Acknowledging that Minineenee first entered the world stage in Fall 2003 and has since committed to excellent work for their main region in which they spent the majority of their career.

Determining that the benevolent work of this nation is contrasted sharply by many actions which have repeatedly and egregiously violated regional sovereignty across the NationStates world.

Replacement:
Beginning with the fact that Minineenee first entered the world stage in Autumn 2003 and since that time has participated in and orchestrated many egregious offenses against the community since that time.

[Honeydewistania]

Could you put commas at the end of each clause?

[WayNeacTia]

Could you put commas at the end of each clause?

Why?

[Xoriet]

Could you put commas at the end of each clause?

I never do that. I hate the look of it.

[Makdon]

I never do that. I hate the look of it.

But periods are ok?

[Xoriet]

I never do that. I hate the look of it.

But periods are ok?

You have to have some form of punctuation. It depends on the style of how you write it. I don't like commas or semicolons in my format, so I changed it.

[Marxist Germany]

But periods are ok?

You have to have some form of punctuation. It depends on the style of how you write it. I don't like commas or semicolons in my format, so I changed it.

OOC: All of your clauses are missing a subject; who is recognising and acknowledging? "The World Assembly" or "The Security Council" are added at the start as they are the subject, and the commas are used because otherwise the latter clauses would have no subject.

[Unibot III]

Could you put commas at the end of each clause?

I never do that. I hate the look of it.

Could you put commas at the end of each clause?

Why?

The reason why we use commas is because the preamble never consists of complete sentences. I’m sympathetic though because I also hate the look of trailing commas...

(MG is also correct that the preamble is connected to the first line that introduces the legislative body for whom the legislation is under consideration)

I might also suggest the preamblatory phrase, “Horrified” is usually used unseriously by SC Authors. Something like “Deeply concerned” or “Further concerned” might strike the right tone.

If you haven’t already, I would suggest consulting the regions impacted by the Empire / Core before launching your draft.

[Comfed]

I always put commas at the end
But that’s just me.

I support this resolution, probably, but I’m not so well educated on NS history as others are so I’ll have to see if everything is correct. Knowing you I’m optimistic that it will be.

[Xoriet]

I never do that. I hate the look of it.

Why?

The reason why we use commas is because the preamble never consists of complete sentences. I’m sympathetic though because I also hate the look of trailing commas...

(MG is also correct that the preamble is connected to the first line that introduces the legislative body for whom the legislation is under consideration)

I might also suggest the preamblatory phrase, “Horrified” is usually used unseriously by SC Authors. Something like “Deeply concerned” or “Further concerned” might strike the right tone.

If you haven’t already, I would suggest consulting the regions impacted by the Empire / Core before launching your draft.

That's probably a good idea and I like the suggestion. Horrified is also easily fixed. Thanks, Unibot.

[A Bloodred Moon]

A couple general observations:

-You might wish to do away with the "Horrified" clause and give both Osiris and TEP their own. They're significant operations, and the list of what Empire did isn't that long that it requires a list.
-It was Gatesville, not Gatesville Inc, that supported the Empire. In Osiris, Gatesville Inc ended up opposite of the Empire, from what I can tell.
-Perhaps the support of The New Inquisition is worth mentioning as well - they were condemned exactly for these sorts of things, and from what I know, provided significant support, too.

Good luck with this.

[Xoriet]

A couple general observations:

-You might wish to do away with the "Horrified" clause and give both Osiris and TEP their own. They're significant operations, and the list of what Empire did isn't that long that it requires a list.
-It was Gatesville, not Gatesville Inc, that supported the Empire. In Osiris, Gatesville Inc ended up opposite of the Empire, from what I can tell.
-Perhaps the support of The New Inquisition is worth mentioning as well - they were condemned exactly for these sorts of things, and from what I know, provided significant support, too.

Good luck with this.

Thank you, Jo. I'll add this to revisions.

[Xoriet]

The second draft is up. As mentioned in the OP, I did mention this to members of the affected regions who were present at the time of the coups or attempted coups or fought against them. Any more advice or suggestions are still appreciated.

[Unibot III]

The second draft is up. As mentioned in the OP, I did mention this to members of the affected regions who were present at the time of the coups or attempted coups or fought against them. Any more advice or suggestions are still appreciated.

"of The West Pacific onNovember 2, 2005,"


You'll need a space there.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

The TWP clause reads a lot better to me now - Uni has already pointed out the missing space.

In this clause

Observing that Minineenee spearheaded the formation of Empire, a notorious organization that concealed the identities of its many members through the promotion of satellite nations. Minineenee was the leader of this group and contributed greatly to all regions targeted. Empire would go on to execute multiple coups or conduct such attempts on many significant regions across the world from 2008 onwards.

I’m not sure what you mean by the highlighted sentence. Something like “contributed greatly to the attacks on all regions targeted” would make more sense.

Otherwise this is looking good.

[Benevolent Thomas]

The TWP clause reads a lot better to me now - Uni has already pointed out the missing space.

In this clause

Observing that Minineenee spearheaded the formation of Empire, a notorious organization that concealed the identities of its many members through the promotion of satellite nations. Minineenee was the leader of this group and contributed greatly to all regions targeted. Empire would go on to execute multiple coups or conduct such attempts on many significant regions across the world from 2008 onwards.

I’m not sure what you mean by the highlighted sentence. Something like “contributed greatly to the attacks on all regions targeted” would make more sense.

Otherwise this is looking good.

I'm going to echo BBD here, it's a tad of a commendation. It will read better if you undercut it by pointing out that they only contributed to those regions as a means of further infiltrating them.

[Xoriet]

The TWP clause reads a lot better to me now - Uni has already pointed out the missing space.

In this clause

Observing that Minineenee spearheaded the formation of Empire, a notorious organization that concealed the identities of its many members through the promotion of satellite nations. Minineenee was the leader of this group and contributed greatly to all regions targeted. Empire would go on to execute multiple coups or conduct such attempts on many significant regions across the world from 2008 onwards.

I’m not sure what you mean by the highlighted sentence. Something like “contributed greatly to the attacks on all regions targeted” would make more sense.

Otherwise this is looking good.

I'm going to echo BBD here, it's a tad of a commendation. It will read better if you undercut it by pointing out that they only contributed to those regions as a means of further infiltrating them.

That was actually intended to mean to the coups, not so much the regions. I can fix that though.