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Feyrisshire
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Postby Feyrisshire » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:06 am

I see no reason and no need for a replacement resolution, the repeal is as good as is. All nations have an interest in guarding against the threat of cyberattacks and virtually all functioning governments already do so, and so the issue is not within the concern of the WA and does not need to be covered by WA legislation.
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Postby Texkentuck » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:17 pm

The proposal being replaced would have never been allowed at vote with N.O.W. do to the nature of the concerns of the original proposal. If we were in the WA we would vote for this replacement. But in all honesty in the cyber world rules are still broken. Sorrowfully...... ;)
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Postby Gluria » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:17 am

nice! :)

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Postby Tsaivao » Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:02 am

Feyrisshire wrote:I see no reason and no need for a replacement resolution, the repeal is as good as is. All nations have an interest in guarding against the threat of cyberattacks and virtually all functioning governments already do so, and so the issue is not within the concern of the WA and does not need to be covered by WA legislation.

"With respect, I do not agree with this judgement. Due to the very nature of the Internet (or interdimensional equivalent) allowing for increased interaction with foreign entities, a WA resolution should be necessary to at the very least enforce the illegality of cyberattacks, in addition to making security a responsibility of all member states. Imagine if you were a resident of country A, who purchases a product online from country B, but that data is mishandled in country B due to negligence, and your personal information is exposed to criminals back in country A. One would be entirely helpless because of a lack of rigid regulation or bearing of responsibility should country B lack the same legislation of country A.

Now, granted, not all hacks are the fault of the company responsible for making the website. Zero-day exploits and concentrated infiltrations are also possible. But legislation should be in place to enforce governments to investigate and criminaluze cyberattacks for the purpose of global/universal internet integrity, since the vast majority of cyberattacks are caused by inexperience or negigence opening the door for quick and easy exploitation (I can provide sources if needed, but OOC Im on mobile and this post is already long). And, as you may know, many state governments have just as much incentive to deregulate or obfuscate policy or responsibilty on cyberattacks, either because they do not have the resources to pursue investigations of cyberattacks, or because they refuse to hold the actors responsible for one reason or another. State-sponsored hacking is also something that I believe future legislation could curb.

With all that said, Tsaivao supports the repeal, and we hope that replacement legislature is written swiftly."
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Postby Bananaistan » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:00 pm

OOC: Per the public challenge thread, GenSec has deemed this proposal illegal. It will be discarded at the end of voting.
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Postby Luna Amore » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:07 pm

Bananaistan wrote:OOC: Per the public challenge thread, GenSec has deemed this proposal illegal. It will be discarded at the end of voting.

The proposal has been marked to be discarded at the end of the voting period.
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Postby Feyrisshire » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:10 pm

Four catgirls are seen. One of them is a catgirl, Celestia Hana Shane who is the head of the Feyrisshire WA Delegation. She answers back Manhu Senthai Laogai and debunks their arguments.

Tsaivao wrote:Due to the very nature of the Internet (or interdimensional equivalent) allowing for increased interaction with foreign entities, a WA resolution should be necessary to at the very least enforce the illegality of cyberattacks, in addition to making security a responsibility of all member states.


"The WA's job is not to declare what is illegal or not, but to simply legislate on things that have become a pressing international issue. Murder is a crime that crosses international boundaries as well, yet we don't have a WA legislation enforcing the illegality of murder. Theft is a crime that crosses international boundaries, yet we don't have WA legislation enforcing the illegality of theft. That is because all countries that has working judiciaries have laws that declare them illegal. Nyan!"

OOC: All countries nowadays that have an IT or internet infrastructure have already have rigorous legislature on IT and Internet law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_law#Legal_enactments_%E2%80%93_examples, even Third World countries. If you don't have such laws, either you don't have a judiciary or don't have Internet, but that is your country's problem, not the WA's.

Tsaivao wrote:Imagine if you were a resident of country A, who purchases a product online from country B, but that data is mishandled in country B due to negligence, and your personal information is exposed to criminals back in country A. One would be entirely helpless because of a lack of rigid regulation or bearing of responsibility should country B lack the same legislation of country A.


"The purchasing of a product can be part of a contract or a transaction which can be handled by civil law such as tort law which is pre-existing in a lot of countries' legislations. We already have WA legislation that bans the collection of information without consent such as GAR#481 so no, one would not be "entirely helpless" because such WA legislation already exists and this situation simply cannot exist. Nyan!"

Tsaivao wrote:...since the vast majority of cyberattacks are caused by inexperience or negigence opening the door for quick and easy exploitation (I can provide sources if needed, but OOC Im on mobile and this post is already long).


"This is dubious, as this seems to refer to zero-day attacks which are rare and expensive. Undirected attacks towards internet users (such as adware/malware) are more common, but they are of a vastly different scope than say state-directed cyberattacks and also pretty minor, and would be better governed by civil law and already criminalized in most countries meaning not requiring WA legislation.

If you're problem is "inexperience" or "negligence", then no amount of legislation can fix that barring the education of good internet security practices. Nyan!"

Tsaivao wrote:And, as you may know, many state governments have just as much incentive to deregulate or obfuscate policy or responsibilty on cyberattacks, either because they do not have the resources to pursue investigations of cyberattacks, or because they refuse to hold the actors responsible for one reason or another.


"This is a dubious claim as lack of resources would incentivize clearer legislation to increase resources on such a field, and it is in the interest of countries to have a decent and working national internet infrastructure so to minimize disruptions."

Tsaivao wrote:"State-sponsored hacking is also something that I believe future legislation could curb."


"State-sponsored hacking is mostly done as a part of war and can be subject to WA regulation of war meaning might be allowed under certain conditions, GAR#378 (current resolution to be repealed) for example cites that "member nations may utilize cyberattacks against networks belonging to foreign combatants with which they are in conflict" meaning there is legal precedent.

State-sponsored hacking is also already governed by GAR#481."

The Catgirl Feyrisshire WA Delegate Celestia Hana Shane then leaves the room after answering back Tsaivao Authority's WA Delegate Manhu Senthai Laogai, along with three other catgirls following her.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:26 pm

Bananaistan wrote:OOC: Per the public challenge thread, GenSec has deemed this proposal illegal. It will be discarded at the end of voting.

Bugger. Ah well.
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