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Praeceps wrote:

Wayneactia wrote:Whats the hurry? Obviously this was of such paramount importance that Kuri had to rush it to submission, without so much as consulting the international community about it. If Syria needed to be liberated that bad, it should stay liberated for a while. Like Kuri said, there is no native population. So why repeal it? If repealed, raiders will just password it again, and we will have to do this same song and dance ad nauseam, every time someone has a fly off the handle moment. Plus it has the upside of keeping TITO busy constantly having to detag it.

I say this liberation actually turned out, having some positive outcomes.

The international community was consulted. And currently a clear majority approves of the resolution.

Literally the international community has nothing to do with this. They should’ve actually consulted the region in the first place and asked the natives if they believed liberation was necessary? Instead they forcibly remove people who’ve been there for almost a year under the pretense of building a new community. Take a good long look at Syria now. It is a barren wasteland. The only activity know is officers from sympathetic regions realizing how much of a joke this whole liberation was and this is why most defenders get flagged nowadays. They fight the wrong regions and liberate places that didn’t need saving and leave regions such as Westphalia to TBH. You never even tried to liberate Westphalia after the first time. You know what happened? Pillaged again and back to square one. Defenders should focus on regions that need help. Not ones containing PUPPETS. This is why defenders aren’t taken seriously. As well as why I stopped trying to defend because most of the liberations were political grabs at power. All they did was ruin the regions they liberated in the long run. (Not saying that about all liberated regions but a lot of them were ruined after getting liberated.)

Praeceps wrote:

Wayneactia wrote:Instead you raided the region, closed an embassy and began suppressing the RMB. Seems weird that Mall takes so much heat for trying to liberate Haven, but everyone pats you on the back for using the security council to liberate a region, so you can raid it? I'm sure the Hawks are beaming with pride.

Not sure how this escaped your notice but there is something called a liberation.

That wasn’t a liberation. That was a Black Hawks tactic.

Are you done ranting and raving? There's such a thing as an edit button in this forum.

Straona wrote:

Praeceps wrote:The international community was consulted. And currently a clear majority approves of the resolution.

Literally the international community has nothing to do with this. They should’ve actually consulted the region in the first place and asked the natives if they believed liberation was necessary? Instead they forcibly remove people who’ve been there for almost a year under the pretense of building a new community. Take a good long look at Syria now. It is a barren wasteland. The only activity know is officers from sympathetic regions realizing how much of a joke this whole liberation was and this is why most defenders get flagged nowadays. They fight the wrong regions and liberate places that didn’t need saving and leave regions such as Westphalia to TBH. You never even tried to liberate Westphalia after the first time. You know what happened? Pillaged again and back to square one. Defenders should focus on regions that need help. Not ones containing PUPPETS. This is why defenders aren’t taken seriously. As well as why I stopped trying to defend because most of the liberations were political grabs at power. All they did was ruin the regions they liberated in the long run. (Not saying that about all liberated regions but a lot of them were ruined after getting liberated.)

How many times do I have to say "sleeper operation" before you understand? Also, you don't know the full story behind Westphalia so you might want to look into it. Beyond their founder being a forum destroyer, in its later residents were fascist sympathizers. I will point out that there were at least two votes in the SC to liberate the region, one from the first raid and one from the second one, and that smaller defender orgs tried to liberate it but didn't succeed. This thread isn't about Westphalia though, so best to leave that be.

Edit: Oh look, an edit button.

Straona wrote:

Praeceps wrote:Not sure how this escaped your notice but there is something called a liberation.

That wasn’t a liberation. That was a Black Hawks tactic.

Please do not confuse us with raiders, we aren't.

Kuriko wrote:Please do not confuse us with raiders, we aren't.

No, raiders are at least honest with their intentions and try to spur activity in a region. You have done neither. If you want to be a raider that bad, just switch sides. Comrac did it ad nauseam.

Kuriko wrote:Are you done ranting and raving? There's such a thing as an edit button in this forum.

Straona wrote:
Literally the international community has nothing to do with this. They should’ve actually consulted the region in the first place and asked the natives if they believed liberation was necessary? Instead they forcibly remove people who’ve been there for almost a year under the pretense of building a new community. Take a good long look at Syria now. It is a barren wasteland. The only activity know is officers from sympathetic regions realizing how much of a joke this whole liberation was and this is why most defenders get flagged nowadays. They fight the wrong regions and liberate places that didn’t need saving and leave regions such as Westphalia to TBH. You never even tried to liberate Westphalia after the first time. You know what happened? Pillaged again and back to square one. Defenders should focus on regions that need help. Not ones containing PUPPETS. This is why defenders aren’t taken seriously. As well as why I stopped trying to defend because most of the liberations were political grabs at power. All they did was ruin the regions they liberated in the long run. (Not saying that about all liberated regions but a lot of them were ruined after getting liberated.)

How many times do I have to say "sleeper operation" before you understand? Also, you don't know the full story behind Westphalia so you might want to look into it. Beyond their founder being a forum destroyer, in its later residents were fascist sympathizers. I will point out that there were at least two votes in the SC to liberate the region, one from the first raid and one from the second one, and that smaller defender orgs tried to liberate it but didn't succeed. This thread isn't about Westphalia though, so best to leave that be.

Edit: Oh look, an edit button.

Straona wrote:
That wasn’t a liberation. That was a Black Hawks tactic.

Please do not confuse us with raiders, we aren't.

Well sorry but when you use tactics of a known Raider region, hell one of the more prolific ones, it becomes suspicious of what you actually are. Defenders at least this is how they used to be, wouldn’t ever resort to these methods. They would’ve done it some other way. My bad if I get a little suspicious of a claimed “defender” using tactics of a region that I once called home and whose very tactics I’ve used (yes I was a raider at one point, that’s because I found defender regions to be a joke and wanted to see how the other side operated. Quite fun until I got bored of it but I digress).

“It's not being liberated for suspected imperialism, it's being liberated to keep it from becoming a trophy of Hydra Main Command and their fascist friends as well as to keep the region open to a possible future active native community.”
Those are your own words Kuriko. Just cause they’re supposedly “fascist” you think the region of PUPPETS deserve liberation even though there wasn’t much evidence of Hydra’s friends wanting much to do with Syria. Now the region has only 10 people. Defenders have become a sham of what they used to be. Just because a region has a fascist tag doesn’t mean you have a right to destroy anything related to them. They aren’t threatening you anyway

Straona wrote:“It's not being liberated for suspected imperialism, it's being liberated to keep it from becoming a trophy of Hydra Main Command and their fascist friends as well as to keep the region open to a possible future active native community.”
Those are your own words Kuriko. Just cause they’re supposedly “fascist” you think the region of PUPPETS deserve liberation even though there wasn’t much evidence of Hydra’s friends wanting much to do with Syria. Now the region has only 10 people. Defenders have become a sham of what they used to be. Just because a region has a fascist tag doesn’t mean you have a right to destroy anything related to them. They aren’t threatening you anyway

I don't think anyone is listening to you anymore, and I guess if you want to defend fascism you go do that.

The regional officers crack me up... is this an attempt at defender propaganda, or raider propaganda?
https://www.nationstates.net/page=regio ... gion=syria

Comfed wrote:The regional officers crack me up... is this an attempt at defender propaganda, or raider propaganda?
https://www.nationstates.net/page=regio ... gion=syria

Easy enough to explain. The "resident" is a high ranking defender to protect against Hydra Main Command returning, while the "native" is an actual native I gave all powers too because they've been in the region for over at least 7 years. Not that hard to understand.

Straona wrote:“It's not being liberated for suspected imperialism, it's being liberated to keep it from becoming a trophy of Hydra Main Command and their fascist friends as well as to keep the region open to a possible future active native community.”
Those are your own words Kuriko. Just cause they’re supposedly “fascist” you think the region of PUPPETS deserve liberation even though there wasn’t much evidence of Hydra’s friends wanting much to do with Syria. Now the region has only 10 people. Defenders have become a sham of what they used to be. Just because a region has a fascist tag doesn’t mean you have a right to destroy anything related to them. They aren’t threatening you anyway

You are seriously not helping here.

So are we going to get a repeal of this?

North American Imperial State wrote:So are we going to get a repeal of this?

There was a draft but it was pulled. I think someone named Tim or something is making a more eligible draft

Straona wrote:

North American Imperial State wrote:So are we going to get a repeal of this?

There was a draft but it was pulled. I think someone named Tim or something is making a more eligible draft

Tinhampton has an ‘insta-repeal’ that hasn’t been submitted yet even though it passed over two votes ago

Honeydewistania wrote:

Straona wrote:There was a draft but it was pulled. I think someone named Tim or something is making a more eligible draft

Tinhampton has an ‘insta-repeal’ that hasn’t been submitted yet even though it passed over two votes ago

Probs to busy trying to badge hunt

North American Imperial State wrote:So are we going to get a repeal of this?

Why? It is patently obvious the "natives" wanted this liberation. So they can keep it. Syria can become the new Belgium.

Wayneactia wrote:

North American Imperial State wrote:So are we going to get a repeal of this?

Why? It is patently obvious the "natives" wanted this liberation. So they can keep it. Syria can become the new Belgium.

Meh true