[PASSED] Liberate Syria

[Apostate]

I believe that a new era of security council resolutions removing all passwords, to all regions without founders can be expected. Otherwise its just institutional racism. The optics are ugly.

[Sodoran Alesia]

I believe that a new era of security council resolutions removing all passwords, to all regions without founders can be expected. Otherwise its just institutional racism. The optics are ugly.

wtf, ever hear of context or nuance? In reference to Singapore, the natives put up that password as has been explained multiple times. Sounds like you're butthurt Syria is being liberated. Also, comparing liberations to the very real problem of institutional racism is disgusting, like seriously, this is a trivial internet game.

[Refuge Isle]

I believe that a new era of security council resolutions removing all passwords, to all regions without founders can be expected. Otherwise its just institutional racism. The optics are ugly.

We are drifting further from sense than ever. "Institutional racism" is certainly not a topic that I ever thought I'd hear being brought up in terms of SC liberations.

[Kuriko]

There's a reason Drunken Conquerers is a blacklisted player, not sure how that subject of racism came up?

[Airport Manager Services]

Syria password is down right now.

[Praeceps]

I believe that a new era of security council resolutions removing all passwords, to all regions without founders can be expected. Otherwise its just institutional racism. The optics are ugly.

I understand each word that you have used. Putting them together in that specific order you have completely lost me though.

[WayNeacTia]

From the telegrams I have seen from the current delegate, they have zero idea how game play actually works. The current delegate of Syria is not a raider. To me this is nothing more than a massive, gross abuse of the Security Council. I do hope when it comes to light that the region was never in any danger of being refounded by raiders, nobody will ever take Kuri seriously again when she flies off the handle and rushes things to submission. Now it will be open season for raiders to continually grief the region as a passoword cannot be implemented.

Great Job Kuri! With people like you out looking after poor defenseless regions, who needs raiders any longer?

You do realize nobody takes you seriously right Wayne? The current delegate of Syria acts and posts just like Alpha Wolf does, which I know because I've interacted with him multiple times over the last 4 year's. Also, tell the trophy list of RL themed regions in Hydra Main Command there's no trophy threat to Syria.

Really? From what I know, Alpha Wolf is an experienced raider, and quite likely knows how to form a coherent liberation proposal. Hell even BBD agrees with me. But congratulations on affirming the fact that regional sovereignty is only for regions which a liberation would have zero effect on, or a massive delegate endorsement count which would render a liberation moot. You've done defenders everywhere proud!

[Kuriko]

You do realize nobody takes you seriously right Wayne? The current delegate of Syria acts and posts just like Alpha Wolf does, which I know because I've interacted with him multiple times over the last 4 year's. Also, tell the trophy list of RL themed regions in Hydra Main Command there's no trophy threat to Syria.

Really? From what I know, Alpha Wolf is an experienced raider, and quite likely knows how to form a coherent liberation proposal. Hell even BBD agrees with me. But congratulations on affirming the fact that regional sovereignty is only for regions which a liberation would have zero effect on, or a massive delegate endorsement count which would render a liberation moot. You've done defenders everywhere proud!

You obviously don't know Alpha Wolf, do you? He's not a native English speaker, and could never form a coherent liberation proposal.

[Honeydewistania]

Considering XKI’s decision to change votes, will this resolution go down with a swiftly repeal as well?

[WayNeacTia]

Considering XKI’s decision to change votes, will this resolution go down with a swiftly repeal as well?

Whats the hurry? Obviously this was of such paramount importance that Kuri had to rush it to submission, without so much as consulting the international community about it. If Syria needed to be liberated that bad, it should stay liberated for a while. Like Kuri said, there is no native population. So why repeal it? If repealed, raiders will just password it again, and we will have to do this same song and dance ad nauseam, every time someone has a fly off the handle moment. Plus it has the upside of keeping TITO busy constantly having to detag it.

I say this liberation actually turned out, having some positive outcomes.

[Kuriko]

Considering XKI’s decision to change votes, will this resolution go down with a swiftly repeal as well?

Whats the hurry? Obviously this was of such paramount importance that Kuri had to rush it to submission, without so much as consulting the international community about it. If Syria needed to be liberated that bad, it should stay liberated for a while. Like Kuri said, there is no native population. So why repeal it? If repealed, raiders will just password it again, and we will have to do this same song and dance ad nauseam, every time someone has a fly off the handle moment. Plus it has the upside of keeping TITO busy constantly having to detag it.

I say this liberation actually turned out, having some positive outcomes.

Can't wait until you disappear back into the shadows, because nobody listens to what you spout Wayne. Get a new shtick.

[WayNeacTia]

Whats the hurry? Obviously this was of such paramount importance that Kuri had to rush it to submission, without so much as consulting the international community about it. If Syria needed to be liberated that bad, it should stay liberated for a while. Like Kuri said, there is no native population. So why repeal it? If repealed, raiders will just password it again, and we will have to do this same song and dance ad nauseam, every time someone has a fly off the handle moment. Plus it has the upside of keeping TITO busy constantly having to detag it.

I say this liberation actually turned out, having some positive outcomes.

Can't wait until you disappear back into the shadows, because nobody listens to what you spout Wayne. Get a new shtick.

Just repeating your own excuses back for you. Wheres the problem?

[Praeceps]

Considering XKI’s decision to change votes, will this resolution go down with a swiftly repeal as well?

Whats the hurry? Obviously this was of such paramount importance that Kuri had to rush it to submission, without so much as consulting the international community about it. If Syria needed to be liberated that bad, it should stay liberated for a while. Like Kuri said, there is no native population. So why repeal it? If repealed, raiders will just password it again, and we will have to do this same song and dance ad nauseam, every time someone has a fly off the handle moment. Plus it has the upside of keeping TITO busy constantly having to detag it.

I say this liberation actually turned out, having some positive outcomes.

The international community was consulted. And currently a clear majority approves of the resolution.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Really? From what I know, Alpha Wolf is an experienced raider, and quite likely knows how to form a coherent liberation proposal. Hell even BBD agrees with me. But congratulations on affirming the fact that regional sovereignty is only for regions which a liberation would have zero effect on, or a massive delegate endorsement count which would render a liberation moot. You've done defenders everywhere proud!

You obviously don't know Alpha Wolf, do you? He's not a native English speaker, and could never form a coherent liberation proposal.

Bit rude innit? I believe you once said in response to poor English in a proposal, "This is why we draft here on the forum first, to avoid mistakes like this." Being ESL shouldn't be prohibitive from being able to create a good proposal, especially with the support of the community.

[Kuriko]

You obviously don't know Alpha Wolf, do you? He's not a native English speaker, and could never form a coherent liberation proposal.

Bit rude innit? I believe you once said in response to poor English in a proposal, "This is why we draft here on the forum first, to avoid mistakes like this." Being ESL shouldn't be prohibitive from being able to create a good proposal, especially with the support of the community.

Alpha Wolf never seeks advice from the international community, which is part of the reason why he's never easily learned how to draft a good proposal. Not trying to be rude, sorry.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Bit rude innit? I believe you once said in response to poor English in a proposal, "This is why we draft here on the forum first, to avoid mistakes like this." Being ESL shouldn't be prohibitive from being able to create a good proposal, especially with the support of the community.

Alpha Wolf never seeks advice from the international community, which is part of the reason why he's never easily learned how to draft a good proposal. Not trying to be rude, sorry.

It's fair enough to note that some has a history of drafting poor proposals and not taking community help on them, but I'd focus on that jab, rather than taking potshots at their native language/being ESL...especially given that at a glance, his RMB and forum posts appear fully literate?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Dang, Laz showed up in the final moments, with approximately just enough votes to flip it to Against, aaaaand....doubled the margin towards for, with 4 mins on the clock. The end.

Liberate Syria was passed 7,621 votes to 7,074.

[Goobergunchia]

Dang, Laz showed up in the final moments, with approximately just enough votes to flip it to Against, aaaaand....doubled the margin towards for, with 4 mins on the clock. The end.

Liberate Syria was passed 7,621 votes to 7,074.

For the record, Lazarus cast 272 votes; if they had voted in the other direction, it would have just narrowly passed by a margin of 7,349 to 7,346.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Dang, Laz showed up in the final moments, with approximately just enough votes to flip it to Against, aaaaand....doubled the margin towards for, with 4 mins on the clock. The end.

Liberate Syria was passed 7,621 votes to 7,074.

For the record, Lazarus cast 272 votes; if they had voted in the other direction, it would have just narrowly passed by a margin of 7,349 to 7,346.

Precisely, at least as I was tracking it in the chat, it would have closed the gap to 6 votes in favor of For (it narrowed to that final Laz + 3 later), at the time Laz voted - however, reducing the margin to 6 votes creates a total tossup, while doubling the margin For ended things where they stood, IMHO. As in, a few of the other last minute votes may have differed if it was that close, instead of there being a wider gap.

[Joan dArc]

Well, I tried to tank it. Almost succeeded.

[WayNeacTia]

Well, I tried to tank it. Almost succeeded.

Instead you raided the region, closed an embassy and began suppressing the RMB. Seems weird that Mall takes so much heat for trying to liberate Haven, but everyone pats you on the back for using the security council to liberate a region, so you can raid it? I'm sure the Hawks are beaming with pride.

[Praeceps]

Well, I tried to tank it. Almost succeeded.

Instead you raided the region, closed an embassy and began suppressing the RMB. Seems weird that Mall takes so much heat for trying to liberate Haven, but everyone pats you on the back for using the security council to liberate a region, so you can raid it? I'm sure the Hawks are beaming with pride.

Not sure how this escaped your notice but there is something called a liberation.

[WayNeacTia]

Instead you raided the region, closed an embassy and began suppressing the RMB. Seems weird that Mall takes so much heat for trying to liberate Haven, but everyone pats you on the back for using the security council to liberate a region, so you can raid it? I'm sure the Hawks are beaming with pride.

Not sure how this escaped your notice but there is something called a liberation.

How exactly do you liberate a region from a native delegate? I know TGW blurred the lines in R&D, but seriously?

[Praeceps]

Not sure how this escaped your notice but there is something called a liberation.

How exactly do you liberate a region from a native delegate? I know TGW blurred the lines in R&D, but seriously?

TIL that the Delegate in Syria was native.

[Straona]

Well yet again a liberation screws over a region that was fine before a defender decided that “hey they clearly don’t need liberation but I’ll do it on a whim”. Region was fine before the liberation and now it’s practically dead.