[PASSED] Liberate Syria

[Straona]

There wasn’t even a native community for you to claim to defend. You’re just doing this to help your own political career. Maybe check and make sure there even was a community before you make crap like this. The 3k who voted yes are idiots for not realizing what that region was.

It's cute you guys all think that this would further my political career, when that's the farthest thing from the truth. You sound an awful lot like these two posts on fascist RMBs:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=40682434
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=40681737

Edit: For those too lazy to click the links

The Empire of
The Greater Spanish State
38 minutes ago
Edited 37 minutes ago

Good day, The New Iron Order. IF YOU ARE IN THE WA, please vote NO on the current Security Council resolution to liberate Syria (If not then obviously disregard this message). The region was taken over by raiders who have taken to creating a new community out of a dead unused region, and Kuriko is using this as a tool to further their political career. The region of Syria had little to no native activity left, and the Hydras came in to create a community, considering they didn’t mess with the flag, RMB, embassies, or WFE. They are not “oppressors” as the resolution claims, if they were they would have destroyed the region while they had the chance. I find it to be generally in the The New Iron Order's best interest to vote against this farce of a resolution, despite being 100% against the WA.

The Free Fascist State of
Greater-Appalachia
3 hours ago

Good day, Fifth Empire. Please vote NO on the current Security Council resolution to liberate Syria. The region was taken over by raiders who have taken to creating a new community out of a dead unused region, and Kuriko is using this as a tool to further their political career. The region of Syria had little to no native activity left, and the Hydras came in to create a community, considering they didn’t mess with the flag, RMB, embassies, or WFE. They are not “oppressors” as the resolution claims, if they were they would have destroyed the region while they had the chance. I find it to be generally in the Fifth Empire’s best interest to vote against this farce of a resolution.

From a practical standpoint the resolution is ridiculous and isn’t even necessary. That doesn’t classify me as a fascist.

[Kuriko]

I didn't call you a fascist, I said you sound an awful lot like those two do

[Straona]

I didn't call you a fascist, I said you sound an awful lot like those two do

My bad, quoted the wrong person. Whatever, don’t use emojis in your arguments though if you’re trying to sound professional.

[Honeydewistania]

I didn't call you a fascist, I said you sound an awful lot like those two do

My bad, quoted the wrong person. Whatever, don’t use emojis in your arguments though if you’re trying to sound professional.

[Coradortodos]

The world assembly Should Librate Syria. After all terrorism..

[Border-Princes]

I don't care if this resolution is legitimate or not, but I'm always ready for a liberation! Just tell where to drop the bombs and parachute the troops, we will give them a truck load of freedom.

[Honeydewistania]

I don't care if this resolution is legitimate or not, but I'm always ready for a liberation! Just tell where to drop the bombs and parachute the troops, we will give them a truck load of freedom.

American Liberation™

[Apostate]

When "moralistic defenders" author a resolution to allow "immoral pretenders" to raid a region. One has clean hands, the other groups dont care. a quid pro quo hypocrisy that fits the NSGP elite to a T! Also, I am still not in Syria!! So if this is aimed at me (still) then all you are doing is tilting at more windmills. I am not a member of Hydra.

But, just as Greece was refounded by TGW after a "raid" by "Crystalsummer", we all know everyone here is equally opportunistic.

And Hydra is not fash. Its not Commie. Its not political at all from what I have seen.

[Joan dArc]

When "moralistic defenders" author a resolution to allow "immoral pretenders" to raid a region. One has clean hands, the other groups dont care. a quid pro quo hypocrisy that fits the NSGP elite to a T! Also, I am still not in Syria!! So if this is aimed at me (still) then all you are doing is tilting at more windmills. I am not a member of Hydra.

But, just as Greece was refounded by TGW after a "raid" by "Crystalsummer", we all know everyone here is equally opportunistic.

And Hydra is not fash. Its not Commie. Its not political at all from what I have seen.

You probably shouldn't speak about that which you do not know, Drunken Conquerers. The Greece refound came after the original refound was accomplished via WA cheating by Yodle, not because Crystalsummer was involved. It was decided that since the region was vulnerable due to no influential nations being left it needed to be refounded and placed in the hands of a native. It eventually was, and for quite awhile now the founder has been held by Nikolaus the Great.

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[Straona]

When "moralistic defenders" author a resolution to allow "immoral pretenders" to raid a region. One has clean hands, the other groups dont care. a quid pro quo hypocrisy that fits the NSGP elite to a T! Also, I am still not in Syria!! So if this is aimed at me (still) then all you are doing is tilting at more windmills. I am not a member of Hydra.

But, just as Greece was refounded by TGW after a "raid" by "Crystalsummer", we all know everyone here is equally opportunistic.

And Hydra is not fash. Its not Commie. Its not political at all from what I have seen.

Even though there isn’t anything moralistic about this, it’s just a guy trying to make a passive aggressive attack through a resolution about a region no one knows about that is primarily puppets.

[Astrobolt]

When "moralistic defenders" author a resolution to allow "immoral pretenders" to raid a region. One has clean hands, the other groups dont care. a quid pro quo hypocrisy that fits the NSGP elite to a T! Also, I am still not in Syria!! So if this is aimed at me (still) then all you are doing is tilting at more windmills. I am not a member of Hydra.

But, just as Greece was refounded by TGW after a "raid" by "Crystalsummer", we all know everyone here is equally opportunistic.

And Hydra is not fash. Its not Commie. Its not political at all from what I have seen.

Even though there isn’t anything moralistic about this, it’s just a guy trying to make a passive aggressive attack through a resolution about a region no one knows about that is primarily puppets.

I have no idea who this "guy" you are referring to is.

[Joan dArc]

When "moralistic defenders" author a resolution to allow "immoral pretenders" to raid a region. One has clean hands, the other groups dont care. a quid pro quo hypocrisy that fits the NSGP elite to a T! Also, I am still not in Syria!! So if this is aimed at me (still) then all you are doing is tilting at more windmills. I am not a member of Hydra.

But, just as Greece was refounded by TGW after a "raid" by "Crystalsummer", we all know everyone here is equally opportunistic.

And Hydra is not fash. Its not Commie. Its not political at all from what I have seen.

Even though there isn’t anything moralistic about this, it’s just a guy trying to make a passive aggressive attack through a resolution about a region no one knows about that is primarily puppets.

I'm a girl, not a guy.

[Apostate]

When "moralistic defenders" author a resolution to allow "immoral pretenders" to raid a region. One has clean hands, the other groups dont care. a quid pro quo hypocrisy that fits the NSGP elite to a T! Also, I am still not in Syria!! So if this is aimed at me (still) then all you are doing is tilting at more windmills. I am not a member of Hydra.

But, just as Greece was refounded by TGW after a "raid" by "Crystalsummer", we all know everyone here is equally opportunistic.

And Hydra is not fash. Its not Commie. Its not political at all from what I have seen.

You probably shouldn't speak about that which you do not know, Drunken Conquerers. The Greece refound came after the original refound was accomplished via WA cheating by Yodle, not because Crystalsummer was involved. It was decided that since the region was vulnerable due to no influential nations being left it needed to be refounded and placed in the hands of a native. It eventually was, and for quite awhile now the founder has been held by Nikolaus the Great.

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=425706

I know, as I was undercover in the elysian fields at the time, and Yodle was point, sure, but that was Crystalsummers org. That was actually destroyed by Tims refound snipe as he "defended" Greece, which was a stealth op from Crystal. It was right after that Boston fail, dont you all remember? Anyhow, just a history reminder for ya kuriko. Congrats on being WA mobile again, I am sure Tito will have an uptick at update now!

[Domais]

I feel like voting for this liberation is voting for the notion of "raiders can't raid regions and then establish a native population" or "no population/government coming out of a raid is and can never be 'legitimate'". When that is clearly false. If I raided a dead region with 0-3 natives and then built it up to a region of 20 and like 5 or 6 WA members. My government is inherently more legitimate than the old, mostly non-existent, government. So, what I'm trying to say is there is a point where raiders/occupiers become natives, and the status of the region changes from one under foreign occupation.
Now in this case the region isn't really active, but the Delegate seems to have been there for a few months. So, I would just say that we should wait and see what the Delegate does with the region. The name of the region is, just that, a name, and I couldn't care less that it shares a name with an RL nation. So, liberation isn't really warranted as there is no-one to liberate.

[Kuriko]

I feel like voting for this liberation is voting for the notion of "raiders can't raid regions and then establish a native population" or "no population/government coming out of a raid is and can never be 'legitimate'". When that is clearly false. If I raided a dead region with 0-3 natives and then built it up to a region of 20 and like 5 or 6 WA members. My government is inherently more legitimate than the old, mostly non-existent, government. So, what I'm trying to say is there is a point where raiders/occupiers become natives, and the status of the region changes from one under foreign occupation.
Now in this case the region isn't really active, but the Delegate seems to have been there for a few months. So, I would just say that we should wait and see what the Delegate does with the region. The name of the region is, just that, a name, and I couldn't care less that it shares a name with an RL nation. So, liberation isn't really warranted as there is no-one to liberate.

You're right, it would probably be considered legitimate... If that new "native" population wasn't comprised of your military members. There's a line between building up a community and importing a community to make yourself look legitimate, and in this case it's a raider org that took a region and plan on adding it to their other RL themed trophy regions.

[Picairn]

Despite much chatter, this resolution looks like it's gonna end in a giant Blue wave.

[Eluney]

This Delegation does not find the reasons and evidence given by those who support this Resolution convincing or determining, and therefore we will vote against.

Liberations approved by the Security Council should be the last resort in extremely serious situations, which is not the case here. Not only does it seem unimportant to us that the target has the name of a real region, but more important to us is the fact that this is an unsolicited intervention by the inhabitants of Syria.

In any case, and seeing the broad support for this Resolution, we know that our vote will not influence in the least, although we did not want to miss the opportunity for the position of this Delegation to be recorded.

Mr. Carlos Alejandro Herrera.
Permanent Representative of the Federal Republic of Eluney to the World Assembly.

[WayNeacTia]

I feel like voting for this liberation is voting for the notion of "raiders can't raid regions and then establish a native population" or "no population/government coming out of a raid is and can never be 'legitimate'". When that is clearly false. If I raided a dead region with 0-3 natives and then built it up to a region of 20 and like 5 or 6 WA members. My government is inherently more legitimate than the old, mostly non-existent, government. So, what I'm trying to say is there is a point where raiders/occupiers become natives, and the status of the region changes from one under foreign occupation.
Now in this case the region isn't really active, but the Delegate seems to have been there for a few months. So, I would just say that we should wait and see what the Delegate does with the region. The name of the region is, just that, a name, and I couldn't care less that it shares a name with an RL nation. So, liberation isn't really warranted as there is no-one to liberate.

You're right, it would probably be considered legitimate... If that new "native" population wasn't comprised of your military members. There's a line between building up a community and importing a community to make yourself look legitimate, and in this case it's a raider org that took a region and plan on adding it to their other RL themed trophy regions.

Still yet to see this mortal danger you claim this region is facing. In every other raid, the point is to grief the region. I see no griefing going on here. What I see is embassies being constructed with non raider aligned regions, except for Hydra. Even Otaku Strauss, whose region of Japan was brutally occupied seems confused according to their post.

You claim that Airport Manager is a puppet of a well established raider? My guess would be that raiders could at least write a coherent proposal. That proposal does bring up an interesting question though? Why are you not liberating Singapore? It is a real life country that is also sitting behind a password.

[Honeydewistania]

Singapore is a bit like Hell - they allow people they trust in after they spend a period of time in the region Singapore Island.

[WayNeacTia]

Singapore is a bit like Hell - they allow people they trust in after they spend a period of time in the region Singapore Island.

Doesn't change my point. Singapore is a real life country that is sitting behind password in the game, just like Syria.

So, in essence, you are not sure if there even is a native community to liberate? Why should this particular region be liberated, why is it worth the Security Council’s time?

Because it's a region named after a real life location/nation.

[Honeydewistania]

Except that password is more to prevent raiders from coming in, rather than preventing Singaporeans from entering the region. Syria does nothing have a similar provision.

[Valentine Z]

Well, this has certainly brought us back to attention, but since this thread is not about Singapore and more about Syria, I suppose that I will make it rather brief!

As one of the long-time natives and have been in region for years as different nations (Garden at 6th Mile Road, one of the current Regional Officers, is me), this put us in a rather unfortunate spot and unneeded attention. I don't know why we are mentioned in a passing just because we have a password inside of it. Yes, we are aware of the lack of activity and yes, most of us inside are inactive but still natives, and ultimately yes, we are actually planning on refounding with one of us becoming a founder. Singapore is NOT going to be in a perpetual password-protected state.

This passing mention from the current delegate of Syria has unfortunately made it more difficult for us since a mention has put us back into radar. To put it promptly, why should we be a subject to liberation when it's us natives in there, with (used to be secretive) plans to refound? This has certainly been a wrench into our machine.

Thank you for listening, and have a good day ahead. <3

[Honeydewistania]

Anyways, what’s the plan for Syria? Is it to leave it open and as target practice for tagging, or are defenders going to attempt a refound, or password until further notice

[WayNeacTia]

Except that password is more to prevent raiders from coming in, rather than preventing Singaporeans from entering the region. Syria does nothing have a similar provision.

From the telegrams I have seen from the current delegate, they have zero idea how game play actually works. The current delegate of Syria is not a raider. To me this is nothing more than a massive, gross abuse of the Security Council. I do hope when it comes to light that the region was never in any danger of being refounded by raiders, nobody will ever take Kuri seriously again when she flies off the handle and rushes things to submission. Now it will be open season for raiders to continually grief the region as a passoword cannot be implemented.

Great Job Kuri! With people like you out looking after poor defenseless regions, who needs raiders any longer?

[Kuriko]

Except that password is more to prevent raiders from coming in, rather than preventing Singaporeans from entering the region. Syria does nothing have a similar provision.

From the telegrams I have seen from the current delegate, they have zero idea how game play actually works. The current delegate of Syria is not a raider. To me this is nothing more than a massive, gross abuse of the Security Council. I do hope when it comes to light that the region was never in any danger of being refounded by raiders, nobody will ever take Kuri seriously again when she flies off the handle and rushes things to submission. Now it will be open season for raiders to continually grief the region as a passoword cannot be implemented.

Great Job Kuri! With people like you out looking after poor defenseless regions, who needs raiders any longer?

You do realize nobody takes you seriously right Wayne? The current delegate of Syria acts and posts just like Alpha Wolf does, which I know because I've interacted with him multiple times over the last 4 year's. Also, tell the trophy list of RL themed regions in Hydra Main Command there's no trophy threat to Syria.