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It’s about using card exploits for clout and stuff, also corruption in the Card Defense thingy.

Card exploits?

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It’s about using card exploits for clout and stuff, also corruption in the Card Defense thingy.

Card exploits?


Yeah, like intentionally inflating cards, and selling cards from your colony to you for a lower price intentionally, and stuff. Read the proposal!
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Postby La xinga » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:06 pm

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La xinga wrote:Card exploits?


Yeah, like intentionally inflating cards, and selling cards from your colony to you for a lower price intentionally, and stuff. Read the proposal!

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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:08 pm

La xinga wrote:
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Yeah, like intentionally inflating cards, and selling cards from your colony to you for a lower price intentionally, and stuff. Read the proposal!

I did!

Ok it isn’t really fair to La Xinga since artwork has been subbed in for card for legality purposes, so they probably didn’t know.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:00 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Kuriko wrote:This is pretty well written, won't lie about that. I know that most of the events, and the news, has the word card in their title but I think that word is still iffy when it comes to SC resolutions. Maybe a moderator can advise whether it's okay to use card in the title of the events and news network name?? I don't think it would be illegal, since it's in the name of an event and news network, but it could be so best to check.

Thank you!

I’m almost certain it’s legal, since it’s a name and we’ve done the appropriate capitalising of proper nouns. It might be good to check previous card related resolutions to see if Card ___ was mentioned as legal.

It's not a dodge for an illegal term - e.g. if you mentioned a "Best Player Award" that would still be a R4 violation.

I was out when cards were introduced and first started being mentioned in the SC. The most relevant ruling is Ransium's one here, which gives a tentative "okay" in certain situations. The preference by authors seems to be to refer to "artwork", though that is not always possible nor preferable.

My suggestion would be to request a ruling (post in Moderation to do so; it's the best way to get the SC mods' attention quickly) when you're ready to submit, and Jakker, Ransium and myself can review your usage of the term.

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Postby Westinor » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:54 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Thank you!

I’m almost certain it’s legal, since it’s a name and we’ve done the appropriate capitalising of proper nouns. It might be good to check previous card related resolutions to see if Card ___ was mentioned as legal.

It's not a dodge for an illegal term - e.g. if you mentioned a "Best Player Award" that would still be a R4 violation.

I was out when cards were introduced and first started being mentioned in the SC. The most relevant ruling is Ransium's one here, which gives a tentative "okay" in certain situations. The preference by authors seems to be to refer to "artwork", though that is not always possible nor preferable.

My suggestion would be to request a ruling (post in Moderation to do so; it's the best way to get the SC mods' attention quickly) when you're ready to submit, and Jakker, Ransium and myself can review your usage of the term.


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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:41 am

Bumping for more comments
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:43 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Bumping for more comments

I hadn't read this properly before, but have given it the old hairy eyeball now. Reads pretty well for the most part, I may have some minor suggestions for text changes later.

Two things that do stand out: 'card defending' - just seems like a R4(c) violation to me. Not a Mod obviously, but it doesn't feel right to me. The use of 'card' in the titles (Card News, Card Olympics) though doesn't raise any red flags to me.

The second thing is the Mikeswill condemnation - doesn't look like that's going to pass, unfortunately.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:23 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Bumping for more comments

I hadn't read this properly before, but have given it the old hairy eyeball now. Reads pretty well for the most part, I may have some minor suggestions for text changes later.

Two things that do stand out: 'card defending' - just seems like a R4(c) violation to me. Not a Mod obviously, but it doesn't feel right to me. The use of 'card' in the titles (Card News, Card Olympics) though doesn't raise any red flags to me.

The second thing is the Mikeswill condemnation - doesn't look like that's going to pass, unfortunately.

I think putting it as a proper noun will do the trick. (I hope)

Also for the second one, yeah. I'll have to try and think of something else to replace it.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:43 am

Honeydewistania wrote:The Security Council,

Acknowledging that the international trade of valuable artwork between a multitude of nations has been recognised by this council on several occasions,

Minor addition to the text.

Honeydewistania wrote:Believing that the nation of Noahs Second Country (henceforth known as NSC for the purposes of this resolution) is one such nation bent on the disruption of international trade through their atrocious shenanigans,

Appalled at the despicable deeds perpetuated by NSC, including but not limited to:
  1. enslaving the entire population of over more than 850 nations in Second Best Card Farm purely for the purpose of obtaining their artwork, only for it to be stored away in the well hidden vaults of several other artwork hoarding colonies such as Second Best Card Collector and S2 Rares Collector,
  2. using the aforementioned colonies to counterfeit and reproduce copies of artwork from its nation to build a monopoly and to inflate prices to grotesque values,
  3. the deliberate inflation of the value of the common and uncommon artwork of nations such as Noahania (not coincidentally the first nation to come under the NSC sphere of influence), Avon-upon-Inverness, Riltonia, and Death and Killing Tactics 3 (artwork that was sold for the highest price ever recorded), no doubt in attempts to elicit mayhem into the artwork trading community,
  4. the large scale laundering of money using multiple copies of the artwork of -ii, achieved by trading it over a record 7000 times between NSC and their colonies,

Suggested changes to the text in bullet point (a) - think it makes it run better. Minor change to (b). I've struck out the parentheses in bullet point (c), I think they're unnecessary and distract from the content. Sometimes less is more.

Honeydewistania wrote:Alarmed at NSC's leading role in 'card defending', a movement NSC formed in an attempt to maintain the "status quo" and oppress nations with growing interests in the artwork dealing community,

Outraged at NSC for establishing and editing Card News, a widely circulated propaganda newsletter that promotes and celebrates the nefarious crimes perpetuated by NSC and other traders,

Angered at NSC’s antics in international artwork competitions, such as using their counterfeiting tactic to win the Card Olympics four times in a row, giving them an unfair advantage,

Already discussed my disquiet with the phrase 'card defending'.

Honeydewistania wrote:Shocked that NSC, under the puppet nation N00027, deliberately inflated the artwork of the Dark System to make it the most valuable card? in the world, shortly before crashing the value price back to around the original value cost, causing an immeasurable amount of havoc and almost ruining regional artwork events,

Some minor text changes suggested, including some synonyms for "value". Not sure about the use of the word "card" in this context.

Honeydewistania wrote:Disgusted that NSC does not limit their destructive and malicious actions to the international trade of artwork, but undertakes further actions to sow strife and chaos in foreign lands, as evidenced by the following:
  1. encouraging impressionable children to post malicious comments about other citizens online in the covert operation dubbed 'Going on the Cyber Offensive',
  2. contaminating the bottled water of foreign countries with a deadly pathogen in the covert operation dubbed 'Bottled Up Problems',
  3. sending spies disguised as survival experts to expose secret military bases in foreign nations in the covert operation dubbed 'Candid Camera', an operation so vile that NSC agents left behind a the stench of urine in the bases of their victims,

Again just minor fiddling with the text.

Honeydewistania wrote:Annoyed at the other efforts by NSC to cover up their repulsive actions and give themselves a clean image, including:
  1. authoring Commend 9003, a resolution which ironically commended a helpful member of the international artwork trade community,
  2. co-authoring Condemn Mikeswill, a resolution which condemned a fellow nation infamous for their detestable trading tactics and loathe of this very council,
  3. creating multiple well received, highly cited dispatches on how to correctly format and organise factbooks for other nations,

As previously discussed the Mikeswill condemnation will probably need removing.

Honeydewistania wrote:Abhorred at NSC’s backward policy for enforcing compulsory nudity when possible, resulting in NSC controlling over four out of the top 11 nations in the nudity census,

Hoping that an official condemnation from this body will help new nations to see through the self-proclaimed ‘Second Best’ title NSC has adopted and be aware of the danger posed by this nation to society,

Hereby condemns Noahs Second Country.

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Generally, I think this is a good draft, lots of detail, well researched. Just needs some clarification about the legality of a couple of points.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:48 am

We'll know when we post the legality ruling when it's time. In the meantime, I'll add your suggestions
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Postby Debussy » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:49 am

There needs to be a second proposal to give Noah two condemnations.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:52 am

Debussy wrote:There needs to be a second proposal to give Noah two condemnations.

Of course
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:20 am

Giving this a last call for comments, then submitting in a week (possibly earlier)
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Postby Electrum » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:15 pm

This might be extremely late but I'd like a clause on how NSC brought down the site multiple times, which disrupted gameplay.
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Electrum wrote:This might be extremely late but I'd like a clause on how NSC brought down the site multiple times, which disrupted gameplay.

Which would be an R4 illegality unless you were very clever on how you phrased it.
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Electrum wrote:This might be extremely late but I'd like a clause on how NSC brought down the site multiple times, which disrupted gameplay.

Which would be an R4 illegality unless you were very clever on how you phrased it.

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Honeydewistania wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Which would be an R4 illegality unless you were very clever on how you phrased it.

Condemn Deruuu was legal


I mean something like "The multitude of transactions caused by NSC in the artworks market wreaked havoc on the communications systems of both defenders and invaders" could be one way to put it. Or you can use the phrasing in Deruuu's condemnation of a "traffic nightmare".
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:37 am

Yep
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:01 am

Electrum wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Condemn Deruuu was legal


I mean something like "The multitude of transactions caused by NSC in the artworks market wreaked havoc on the communications systems of both defenders and invaders" could be one way to put it. Or you can use the phrasing in Deruuu's condemnation of a "traffic nightmare".

That would work. Just wanted to make sure you had it covered.
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Postby Comfed » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:53 am

So, this is going in the same direction as “Condemn Koem Kab”?
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Comfed wrote:So, this is going in the same direction as “Condemn Koem Kab”?

Probably
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Postby WeKnow » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:06 am

Having myself had Noah abuse the fact I had to post to Technical forum for help on a card that glitched out and had its auction stop (he used the situation to get all the 3 sold cards rather than allow me a chance to purchase even 1 despite me successfully purchasing 2 to the end of auction if it hadn't glitched), I support this wholeheartedly. I am not a fan of his in the slightest.
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One more thing, you can remove the space between "artworks market ,"
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