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[PASSED] Condemn Noahs Second Country

Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:29 am

The Security Council,

Acknowledging that the international trade of valuable artwork between a multitude of nations has been recognised by this council on several occasions,

Believing that the nation of Noahs Second Country (henceforth known as NSC for the purposes of this resolution) is one such nation bent on the disruption of international trade through their atrocious shenanigans,

Appalled at the despicable deeds perpetuated by NSC, including but not limited to:
  1. enslaving the entire population of more than 850 nations in Second Best Card Farm, purely for the purpose of obtaining their artwork, only for it to be stored away in the well hidden vaults of several other colonies such as Second Best Card Collector and S2 Rares Collector,
  2. using the aforementioned colonies to counterfeit and reproduce copies of artwork from its nation to build a monopoly and inflate prices to grotesque values,
  3. the deliberate inflation of the value of the common and uncommon artwork of nations such as Noahania, The Air Force of South Asians 26, British Rashah, and Death and Killing Tactics 3, no doubt attempts to elicit mayhem into the artwork trading community,
  4. the large scale laundering of money using multiple copies of the artwork of -ii, achieved by trading it over a record 8200 times between NSC and their colonies,

Alarmed at NSC's leading role in 'Card Defending' through their leadership positions in Card Defenders Alliance, a movement NSC formed in an attempt to maintain the "status quo" and oppress nations with growing interests in the artwork dealing community,

Outraged at NSC for establishing and editing Card News, a widely circulated propaganda newsletter that promotes and celebrates the nefarious crimes perpetuated by NSC and other traders,

Angered at NSC’s antics in international artwork competitions, such as using their counterfeiting tactic to win the Card Olympics four times in a row, giving them an unfair advantage,

Shocked that NSC, under the puppet nation N00027, deliberately inflated the artwork of the Dark System to make it the most valuable artwork in the world, shortly before crashing the market value back to around the original value, causing an immeasurable amount of havoc and almost ruining regional artwork events,

Revolted by the multitude of transactions caused by NSC in the artworks market, which wreaked havoc on the communications systems worldwide, causing a global shutdown and disrupting military efforts,

Disgusted that NSC does not limit their destructive and malicious actions to the international trade of artwork, but undertakes further actions to sow strife and chaos in foreign lands, as evidenced by the following:
  1. encouraging impressionable children to post malicious comments about other citizens online in the covert operation dubbed 'Going on the Cyber Offensive',
  2. contaminating the bottled water of foreign countries with deadly pathogen in the covert operation dubbed 'Bottled Up Problems',
  3. sending spies disguised as survival experts to expose secret military bases in foreign nations in the covert operation dubbed 'Candid Camera', an operation so vile that NSC agents left behind the stench of urine in the bases of their victims,

Annoyed at the other efforts by NSC to cover up their repulsive actions and give themselves a clean image, including:
  1. authoring Commend 9003, a resolution which ironically commended a helpful member of the international artwork trade community,
  2. authoring Commend Trotterdam, a resolution which commended a nation renowned for their helpfulness in guiding leaders through the national issues they face,
  3. creating multiple well received, highly cited dispatches on how to correctly format and organise factbooks for other nations,

Abhorred at NSC’s backward policy for enforcing compulsory nudity when possible, resulting in NSC controlling over five out of the top 11 nations in the nudity census,

Hoping that an official condemnation from this body will help new nations to see through the self-proclaimed ‘Second Best’ title NSC has adopted and be aware of the danger posed by this nation to society,

Hereby condemns Noahs Second Country.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:32 am

The Condemn Mikeswill clause of course hasn’t actually happened yet, so I’m not going to submit this until it’s passed.
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:56 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Shocked that NSC, under the puppet nation N00027, deliberately inflated the artwork of the Dark System to the most valuable card in the world, shortly before crashing the value back to around the original value, causing an immeasurable amount of havoc and almost ruining regional artwork events

Ok, haha, funny meme. I don't think this should be in the proposal unless it's been explicitly confirmed (by Noah or by N*) that Noah is N*, which I'm pretty sure hasn't happened. (If it has, please point me to a quote or link) It's one thing to joke about it on Discord; it's a whole different kettle of fish to codify it in an SC resolution.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:58 am

SherpDaWerp wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Shocked that NSC, under the puppet nation N00027, deliberately inflated the artwork of the Dark System to the most valuable card in the world, shortly before crashing the value back to around the original value, causing an immeasurable amount of havoc and almost ruining regional artwork events

Ok, haha, funny meme. I don't think this should be in the proposal unless it's been explicitly confirmed (by Noah or by N*) that Noah is N*, which I'm pretty sure hasn't happened. (If it has, please point me to a quote or link) It's one thing to joke about it on Discord; it's a whole different kettle of fish to codify it in an SC resolution.

Otherwise, full support!

Noah confirmed that this is the case. I can’t find anything that N* said specifically, although they did transfer almost all their cards to Noah and his puppets
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:59 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
SherpDaWerp wrote:Ok, haha, funny meme. I don't think this should be in the proposal unless it's been explicitly confirmed (by Noah or by N*) that Noah is N*, which I'm pretty sure hasn't happened. (If it has, please point me to a quote or link) It's one thing to joke about it on Discord; it's a whole different kettle of fish to codify it in an SC resolution.

Otherwise, full support!

Noah confirmed that this is the case. I can’t find anything that N* said specifically

Huh. I can't find any posts or messages from Noah saying that, although you're not wrong about the transfers. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong spot.

Carry on!
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Postby Kuriko » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:55 am

This is pretty well written, won't lie about that. I know that most of the events, and the news, has the word card in their title but I think that word is still iffy when it comes to SC resolutions. Maybe a moderator can advise whether it's okay to use card in the title of the events and news network name?? I don't think it would be illegal, since it's in the name of an event and news network, but it could be so best to check.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:04 am

Kuriko wrote:This is pretty well written, won't lie about that. I know that most of the events, and the news, has the word card in their title but I think that word is still iffy when it comes to SC resolutions. Maybe a moderator can advise whether it's okay to use card in the title of the events and news network name?? I don't think it would be illegal, since it's in the name of an event and news network, but it could be so best to check.

Thank you!

I’m almost certain it’s legal, since it’s a name and we’ve done the appropriate capitalising of proper nouns. It might be good to check previous card related resolutions to see if Card ___ was mentioned as legal.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:18 am

Kuriko wrote:This is pretty well written, won't lie about that. I know that most of the events, and the news, has the word card in their title but I think that word is still iffy when it comes to SC resolutions. Maybe a moderator can advise whether it's okay to use card in the title of the events and news network name?? I don't think it would be illegal, since it's in the name of an event and news network, but it could be so best to check.

Both Commend DGES and Commend 9003 mentioned The North Pacific Cards Guild, so I’m sure it’s legal.
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Wew, hard against.

b. using the aforementioned colonies to counterfeit and reproduce copies of artwork from its nation to build a monopoly and inflate prices to grotesque values,

Whereas Koem Kab is a nebulous figure lurking in the background who is and always has been working on cards as long as they've existed in a consistent and game-changing way, Noah's collection was primarily built on exploiting TCALS rules after other people found them and he was able to cash in on it by being online with packs while they were happening. The original content of creating his own pull events to get rich off of resulted in a large deck value increase, but the only way it was game changing was by pressuring admin to change the system. Or perhaps push people into feeling like they have to use scripts to "keep up." I don't see anything about that situation that's condemnable or could be celebrated in a villain's light.

the large scale laundering of money using multiple copies of the artwork of -ii, achieved by trading it over a record 7000 times between NSC and their colonies,

I'm also unsure how -ii being traded over 7,000 times is an argument point. Especially since, until last week, I held this record with Tiradella at just a few trades lower, and it's entirely possible that Sylh Alanor will eclipse -ii again. It wasn't considered noteworthy when I had the title, and I presume nothing has changed.

Revolted by NSC's participation in the infamous Valentine Z auction, which lasted for over 12 days, one that caused so much pandemonium that auction timers across the universe had to be significantly revamped,

Surely participating in a collaborative bidding project is not an argument for condemnation. I understand that the auction, itself, was noteworthy but how much of that was directly caused, created, and influenced by Noah is not clear. Aside, I would really recommend not using the nation tag when talking about cards because it implies to me that the nation itself is what's being bought or sold. Previous resolutions don't use a tag or they use a tag indicating that "artwork" has originated from those nations.

Alarmed at NSC's leading role in the Card Defenders Alliance, where an alliance of the biggest artwork curators counterattack counterfeit attempts while still participating in the counterfeiting themselves, in an attempt to maintain the "status quo" and oppress nations with growing interests in the artwork dealing community,

I certainly hope that this implies that card raiding is commendable. Aside, I can only think of three instances where a player associated with the Card Defenders Alliance ever stopped a pull event, and I'm pretty sure that two of those included Gio and Racoda. So aside from the meme of this group existing, it hasn't seen much use, and with the changes to the rules, has probably already had it's best opportunities for glory behind it.

Outraged at NSC for establishing Card News, a propaganda newsletter that promotes and encourages the crimes committed by NSC and other artwork traders,

Of all of the topics mentioned so far, this one is the most creative and has the most content attached to it. I'm disappointed that it's basically a footnote.

Shocked that NSC, under the puppet nation N00027, deliberately inflated the artwork of the Dark System to the most valuable card in the world, shortly before crashing the value back to around the original value, causing an immeasurable amount of havoc and almost ruining regional artwork events,

I would definitely like to see the confirmation that they're one in the same before you attempt to make a move on this. In the event that they are not, it's a bit assy towards N*. In the event that they are, he cannot maintain the anonymity while also being celebrated for N*'s tactics.
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I wonder how Noah will think about this potential condemnation.
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I would definitely like to see the confirmation that they're one in the same before you attempt to make a move on this. In the event that they are not, it's a bit assy towards N*. In the event that they are, he cannot maintain the anonymity while also being celebrated for N*'s tactics.

For the sake of clarity, yes, the 252 nations associated with the figurehead of "N00027" is indeed "Noahs Second Country". The nations likely will not see any further activity in the future, unfortunately.

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I honestly really like this. Reminds me of the condemnation of Australian RePublic - full support!
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Postby Morover » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:39 am

I think Noah is deserving of condemnation, but some of your clauses don't sell it. It can be difficult to write a c/c where the person could really be written into either category - and Noah definitely fits into that category. Certain things, such as the clause on card defenderism (or whatever you want to call it - I'm not exactly up-to-date with normal r/d, much like car/d), are written much more like a commendation rather than a condemnation. There are a few other clauses that do this.

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I would definitely like to see the confirmation that they're one in the same before you attempt to make a move on this. In the event that they are not, it's a bit assy towards N*. In the event that they are, he cannot maintain the anonymity while also being celebrated for N*'s tactics.

For the sake of clarity, yes, the 252 nations associated with the figurehead of "N00027" is indeed "Noahs Second Country". The nations likely will not see any further activity in the future, unfortunately.

I would have maintained anonymity for much longer but someone tracked my login times(lol), which I was kind of bad about in terms of staying anonymous.

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Morover wrote:I think Noah is deserving of condemnation, but some of your clauses don't sell it. It can be difficult to write a c/c where the person could really be written into either category - and Noah definitely fits into that category. Certain things, such as the clause on card defenderism (or whatever you want to call it - I'm not exactly up-to-date with normal r/d, much like car/d), are written much more like a commendation rather than a condemnation. There are a few other clauses that do this.

"car/d"

That's hilarious and now I'm using it.
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Atheris wrote:
Morover wrote:I think Noah is deserving of condemnation, but some of your clauses don't sell it. It can be difficult to write a c/c where the person could really be written into either category - and Noah definitely fits into that category. Certain things, such as the clause on card defenderism (or whatever you want to call it - I'm not exactly up-to-date with normal r/d, much like car/d), are written much more like a commendation rather than a condemnation. There are a few other clauses that do this.

"car/d"

That's hilarious and now I'm using it.

I take no credit to it - though I have no idea who originally coined the term. Someone on the Cards Discord. There are a few candidates for what to call it, if I remember correctly, but that's the one that stuck with me (and I think the general consensus is that it's the proper terminology now, too).

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Outer Sparta wrote:I wonder how Noah will think about this potential condemnation.

He consented to having a condemnation. Such spunk and arrogance that he welcomes the brigade of hatred!
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:38 pm

b. using the aforementioned colonies to counterfeit and reproduce copies of artwork from its nation to build a monopoly and inflate prices to grotesque values,

Whereas Koem Kab is a nebulous figure lurking in the background who is and always has been working on cards as long as they've existed in a consistent and game-changing way, Noah's collection was primarily built on exploiting TCALS rules after other people found them and he was able to cash in on it by being online with packs while they were happening. The original content of creating his own pull events to get rich off of resulted in a large deck value increase, but the only way it was game changing was by pressuring admin to change the system. Or perhaps push people into feeling like they have to use scripts to "keep up." I don't see anything about that situation that's condemnable or could be celebrated in a villain's light.


Things don’t have to be game changing to be noteworthy. I feel TCALS makes it even more condemnable since it’s a ‘fake’ collection, Noah exploited in game mechanics to his own gain (a bit like normal r/d).

the large scale laundering of money using multiple copies of the artwork of -ii, achieved by trading it over a record 7000 times between NSC and their colonies,

I'm also unsure how -ii being traded over 7,000 times is an argument point. Especially since, until last week, I held this record with Tiradella at just a few trades lower, and it's entirely possible that Sylh Alanor will eclipse -ii again. It wasn't considered noteworthy when I had the title, and I presume nothing has changed.


If Sylh Alanor eclipses -ii, I’ll probably remove it.

Revolted by NSC's participation in the infamous Valentine Z auction, which lasted for over 12 days, one that caused so much pandemonium that auction timers across the universe had to be significantly revamped,

Surely participating in a collaborative bidding project is not an argument for condemnation. I understand that the auction, itself, was noteworthy but how much of that was directly caused, created, and influenced by Noah is not clear. Aside, I would really recommend not using the nation tag when talking about cards because it implies to me that the nation itself is what's being bought or sold. Previous resolutions don't use a tag or they use a tag indicating that "artwork" has originated from those nations.


Ok, noted.

Alarmed at NSC's leading role in the Card Defenders Alliance, where an alliance of the biggest artwork curators counterattack counterfeit attempts while still participating in the counterfeiting themselves, in an attempt to maintain the "status quo" and oppress nations with growing interests in the artwork dealing community,

I certainly hope that this implies that card raiding is commendable. Aside, I can only think of three instances where a player associated with the Card Defenders Alliance ever stopped a pull event, and I'm pretty sure that two of those included Gio and Racoda. So aside from the meme of this group existing, it hasn't seen much use, and with the changes to the rules, has probably already had it's best opportunities for glory behind it.


I see.

Outraged at NSC for establishing Card News, a propaganda newsletter that promotes and encourages the crimes committed by NSC and other artwork traders,

Of all of the topics mentioned so far, this one is the most creative and has the most content attached to it. I'm disappointed that it's basically a footnote.


There isn’t really much more that I can about it that’s condemnable.
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"I would prefer a commendation, actually, ambassador."
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La xinga wrote:"I would prefer a commendation, actually, ambassador."

That was considered, but a condemn seemed more suited in accordance to their achievements.
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Postby La xinga » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:45 pm

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La xinga wrote:"I would prefer a commendation, actually, ambassador."

That was considered, but a condemn seemed more suited in accordance to their achievements.

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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:47 pm

La xinga wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:That was considered, but a condemn seemed more suited in accordance to their achievements.

I really don't get what he did, what did he do?

Maybe you should try reading the draft
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Minskiev
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Minskiev » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:50 pm

See, we need more of these joke proposals that double as viable. Also, Westinor, you’re climbing the ranks faster than Hamilton lmao
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La xinga
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Father Knows Best State

Postby La xinga » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:51 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
La xinga wrote:I really don't get what he did, what did he do?

Maybe you should try reading the draft

I did before, yet I don't get it.
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Hi, The east pacific!
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Minskiev » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:52 pm

La xinga wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Maybe you should try reading the draft

I did before, yet I don't get it.


It’s about using card exploits for clout and stuff, also corruption in the Card Defense thingy.
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La xinga
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Father Knows Best State

Postby La xinga » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:01 pm

Minskiev wrote:
La xinga wrote:I did before, yet I don't get it.


It’s about using card exploits for clout and stuff, also corruption in the Card Defense thingy.

Card exploits?
He created everything, and he was forever and will always be. He is perfect and his word is always true. He will never change his word, and YOU would not be reading this signature if it was not for him to allow your eyes to see!
Average religious person. Nothing collided with nothing, the Almighty did everything, and the world is 5781 years old. Deal with it.
No, please don't argue! I'm innocent!

Yes, we may too, may all of us be innocent.

Unless you're not...

WAMP WAMP!
#KAG2020

If you support capitalism, put this in your signature.
Hi, The east pacific!
GLORIOUS AMERICANIUM IMPERIUM!
Creationist, pro-life, straight.
ALL LIVES MATTER!

Nation in TEP. Don't endorse me if I am over 400 endos. Still a long way to go!

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