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Postby Zaberaz Hapang » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:01 am

Flying Eagles wrote:We see a brilliant resolution that protects the rights of many. There is absolutely zero reason to oppose.

what about nations like me where blood sports are tradition?
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:28 am

Zaberaz Hapang wrote:
Flying Eagles wrote:We see a brilliant resolution that protects the rights of many. There is absolutely zero reason to oppose.

what about nations like me where blood sports are tradition?

“Such nations are no doubt capable of adapting their traditions to be less cruel. If tradition were a reason for the GA not to legislate on an area, then we wouldn’t have any legislation.”
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Postby Ardiveds » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:32 am

Zaberaz Hapang wrote:
Flying Eagles wrote:We see a brilliant resolution that protects the rights of many. There is absolutely zero reason to oppose.

what about nations like me where blood sports are tradition?

"Ambassador, many barbarous and inhumane actions can be justified by tradition. Nations can have anything from human sacrifices to mutilation of female genitalia as 'tradition', and if we keep traditions above all ethical questions, the general assembly would have no purpose. I'd say this gives enough consideration to tradition by not outlawing consensual death duels.

As for Ardived's own position, we had supported the last proposal on this topic and support this one as well."
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:40 am

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La xinga wrote: OOC:Well, there's ways to get around almost every resolution without making a "punishment," but this one is good, don't you think so?

I was answering your question about punishment, and the answer is that the punishment is whatever you choose to make it. From your question I assumed you were trying to get around the law. As for the law itself, I like it.

LOL LOL LOL, not trying to get around this one, just wanted to see if there was a punishment!

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Postby Flying Eagles » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:57 am

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Ria Reavi
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Postby Ria Reavi » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:34 pm

Not a huge fan of the whole allowing sacrifice thing, but I agree with the rest of the proposal.

Support.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:39 pm

Ria Reavi wrote:Not a huge fan of the whole allowing sacrifice thing, but I agree with the rest of the proposal.

Support.

“The proposal neither restricts nor permits animal sacrifice, since that practice doesn’t really fall under the idea of blood sports. This leaves room for future legislation on the issue.”
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Postby Ria Reavi » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:42 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Ria Reavi wrote:Not a huge fan of the whole allowing sacrifice thing, but I agree with the rest of the proposal.

Support.

“The proposal neither restricts nor permits animal sacrifice, since that practice doesn’t really fall under the idea of blood sports. This leaves room for future legislation on the issue.”

Good point.

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Postby Flying Eagles » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:45 pm

We note that Clause 1a defines a blood sport "as an activity involving the maiming or killing of at least one of the participants for the entertainment of sapient individuals, excluding hunting or religious sacrifice"

We note that Clause 3 "prohibits all forms of blood sports involving animals in which there is a significant possibility of serious injury or death"

Therefore, we conclude that the italicized section of Clause 3 achieves nothing. It attempts to cover blood sports where "there is a significant possibility of serious injury or death". However, blood sports where "there is a significant possibility of serious injury or death" but no "maiming or killing" are already excluded by Clause 1a. Blood sports where "there is a significant possibility of serious injury or death" and also "maiming or killing" are already included by Clause 1a.

In fact, we would reword Clause 1 to read "as an activity in which there is a significant possibility of serious injury or death of at least one of the participants for the entertainment of sapient individuals, excluding hunting or religious sacrifice"

Similarly, we would remove the italicized section of Clause 3.

TLDR: Clause 3’s specification of “serious injury or death” is unnecessary, as Clause 1 causes this resolution to include only sports that involve “killing and maiming”, which is already a form of “serious injury or death”.
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Postby Kestrel342 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:58 pm

Would this resolution also illegalize capital punishment, as that involves the killing of one of the participants without their explicit consent, you should also add this to the exceptions.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:15 pm

Kestrel342 wrote:Would this resolution also illegalize capital punishment, as that involves the killing of one of the participants without their explicit consent, you should also add this to the exceptions.

(OOC: Since capital punishment is not, hopefully, done for entertainment purposes, it does not fall under the purview of this piece of legislation.)
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:25 pm

This resolution is well-rounded and addresses all the needs. Support.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:02 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:This resolution is well-rounded and addresses all the needs. Support.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:05 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:This resolution is well-rounded and addresses all the needs. Support.

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Some people in my region were confused about what animals are classified in that but looks like they didn't read clause 1B.
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Votes Lost?

Postby Burn Swi » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:17 pm

All of a sudden 500 votes disappear for the ban? Seems very odd.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:19 pm

Burn Swi wrote:All of a sudden 500 votes disappear for the ban? Seems very odd.

That was Kuriko changing their vote from yes to no.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:23 pm

Burn Swi wrote:All of a sudden 500 votes disappear for the ban? Seems very odd.

Kuriko, delegate of XKI, votes according to the votes on the regional forum. It seems there may have been a large swing of voters voting against in the last few hours, causing Kuriko to recast their vote.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:24 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
Burn Swi wrote:All of a sudden 500 votes disappear for the ban? Seems very odd.

Kuriko, delegate of XKI, votes according to the votes on the regional forum. It seems there may have been a large swing of voters voting against in the last few hours, causing Kuriko to recast their vote.

It's interesting how some delegates do that. Other delegates are different such as IA voting on his own conscious regardless of how the rest of the region votes.
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Postby McMasterdonia » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:03 pm

The North Pacific's Ministry of World Assembly Affairs has issued a recommendation of a vote of AGAINST for this proposal. In line with the vote on our regional forum, Delegate Prydania has also cast their vote against.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:13 pm

McMasterdonia wrote:The North Pacific's Ministry of World Assembly Affairs has issued a recommendation of a vote of AGAINST for this proposal. In line with the vote on our regional forum, Delegate Prydania has also cast their vote against.

unless said relocation poses a significant danger to the participant, any animals, or sapients in that habitat as a result of abnormal behaviour in comparison to that participant’s wild counterparts,


I’m pretty sure inhumane relocation, if poses a danger, would be under this.
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A Question of Sapience and Sanity

Postby The Corporate Dominion » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:14 pm

Clause 2b requires clarification of the term 'non-sapient' as it's open to individual interpretation and application. The Corporate Dominion has recently defined sapience as being able to recognise and respond to verbal and non-verbal cues, thus our 'blood sports' are performed with all parties, animal and human, consenting.

We believe under this new definition that all mammals, reptiles, fish, birds and insects are sapient and we have an organisation dedicated to analysing animal consent claims (PetTec™ Animal Consent Advisory Board, sponsored by PetTec™ Pty Ltd) that are made by owners/companies/representatives of the respective animal.

Thus the Corporate Dominion will only vote against this legislation by manner of principle, rather than on the effect that this legislation will have on our nation. As you may know, the Corporate Dominion only practices safe and consensual blood-sports where the goal is not hurt, maim or kill but rather to complete a tertiary objective, such as surviving for example! It's just an unfortunate coincidence that sometimes our contestants see fit to descend into violent barbarism to achieve a victory or prize.
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Postby Baddlands » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:17 pm

Not a huge fan. My people need bear fighting
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Postby Bigoted Libertarians » Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:58 pm

Opposed.

Seriously? What possible reason is there to ban blood sports from an international perspective? It doesn’t hurt anyone outside of my nation, we don’t import slaves (usually) for it, we don’t export the dead bodies (except as refreshing Soylent Blue-Green, now with a hint of paprika!).

If you’re so worried about it, ban it in your own nation. Leave my country’s aphrodisiacs alone! We don’t tell you how to keep your gay love alive...

Now get off my damn lawn...

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Postby Araraukar » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:16 am

Baddlands wrote:Not a huge fan. My people need bear fighting

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Postby Anistria » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:25 am

The Government of Anistria has its support towards this Resolution.
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