Honeydewistania wrote:If we’re going into OOC bad of the nominee, there plenty of examples
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You know you can’t just make assertions of having evidence and expect people to accept them without presenting said evidence, right?
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by Fauxia » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:21 am
Honeydewistania wrote:If we’re going into OOC bad of the nominee, there plenty of examples
by Honeydewistania » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:27 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by SkyDip » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:14 am
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.
Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.
Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.
Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.
by WayNeacTia » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:56 pm
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by Auralia » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:50 pm
Attempted Socialism wrote:I appreciate how dishonest you have to be to cut the quote there, exactly. There was a preceding paragraph that may interest you, if the thing about bearing false witness is something you try to take serious.
Attempted Socialism wrote:Furthermore, it is not "anti-Catholicism" to oppose sexism, homophobia, transphobia and the degradation of women's rights. You can do that without ever hearing about religion. If you try to shield yourself behind a religion that mandates sexism, homophobia, transphobia and the degradation of women's rights, be prepared to be called out if you try to act from behind that flimsy shield. This martyr complex is frankly pathetic; you're not the victim of intolerance or repression.
by Honeydewistania » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:14 pm
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Wallenburg » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:18 pm
Auralia wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:I appreciate how dishonest you have to be to cut the quote there, exactly. There was a preceding paragraph that may interest you, if the thing about bearing false witness is something you try to take serious.
Were you not distinguishing between "non-compliance" and "LGBT opinions"? (Setting aside the fact that CD hasn't engaged in non-compliance, with the possible exception of the recently passed Access to Abortion, so I don't really understand what you're talking about.)
by Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:10 pm
Auralia wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:Furthermore, it is not "anti-Catholicism" to oppose sexism, homophobia, transphobia and the degradation of women's rights. You can do that without ever hearing about religion. If you try to shield yourself behind a religion that mandates sexism, homophobia, transphobia and the degradation of women's rights, be prepared to be called out if you try to act from behind that flimsy shield. This martyr complex is frankly pathetic; you're not the victim of intolerance or repression.
To deprive someone of a benefit they otherwise would have received, because they adhere to Catholic teaching on sexuality, is anti-Catholic. Sounds like you don't the stigma attached to that term. Tough.
by Attempted Socialism » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:25 pm
No, I wasn't. Go through the thread, those two reasons are easily the major ones people mention for voting against. It's also not true that CD hasn't engaged in non-compliance, even with your qualifier.Auralia wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:I appreciate how dishonest you have to be to cut the quote there, exactly. There was a preceding paragraph that may interest you, if the thing about bearing false witness is something you try to take serious.
Were you not distinguishing between "non-compliance" and "LGBT opinions"? (Setting aside the fact that CD hasn't engaged in non-compliance, with the possible exception of the recently passed Access to Abortion, so I don't really understand what you're talking about.)
Attempted Socialism wrote:Furthermore, it is not "anti-Catholicism" to oppose sexism, homophobia, transphobia and the degradation of women's rights. You can do that without ever hearing about religion. If you try to shield yourself behind a religion that mandates sexism, homophobia, transphobia and the degradation of women's rights, be prepared to be called out if you try to act from behind that flimsy shield. This martyr complex is frankly pathetic; you're not the victim of intolerance or repression.
To deprive someone of a benefit they otherwise would have received, because they adhere to Catholic teaching on sexuality, is anti-Catholic. Sounds like you don't the stigma attached to that term. Tough.
Represented in the World Assembly by Ambassador Robert Mortimer Pride, called The Regicide Assume OOC unless otherwise indicated. My WA Authorship. | Cui Bono, quod seipsos custodes custodiunt? Bobberino: "The academic tone shines through." | Who am I in real life, my opinions and notes My NS career |
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:46 am
Auralia wrote:Were you not distinguishing between "non-compliance" and "LGBT opinions"? (Setting aside the fact that CD hasn't engaged in non-compliance, with the possible exception of the recently passed Access to Abortion, so I don't really understand what you're talking about.)
by Auralia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:01 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Auralia wrote:Were you not distinguishing between "non-compliance" and "LGBT opinions"? (Setting aside the fact that CD hasn't engaged in non-compliance, with the possible exception of the recently passed Access to Abortion, so I don't really understand what you're talking about.)
Well that's just a lie. http://archive.today/2020.07.18-111431/ ... id=1402826. And also an untruth that you ought to know... you were the second person to sign on to UM's non-compliance parade.
Abortion: Legalized by General Assembly Resolution 286.
by 21st Century Peronia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:06 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Auralia wrote:Were you not distinguishing between "non-compliance" and "LGBT opinions"? (Setting aside the fact that CD hasn't engaged in non-compliance, with the possible exception of the recently passed Access to Abortion, so I don't really understand what you're talking about.)
And with the exception of Reproductive Freedoms, On Abortion, World Assembly Justice Accord, Administrative Compliance Act, and Rights and Duties of WA States.
by Yokiria » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:38 pm
Wallenburg wrote:C&Cs and repeals of the same have on several occasions passed for OOC reasons. This is not new, and this is not exceptional.
... we're back to ignorance with this comment. The idea that NS players didn't let OOC matters influence their votes in the SC before "GP took over" is laughable. OOC has always been a factor in whether proposals pass or not.Wallenburg wrote:This is, among other reasons, the consequence of GP taking over the SC.
by Wallenburg » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:40 pm
Yokiria wrote:... we're back to ignorance with this comment. The idea that NS players didn't let OOC matters influence their votes in the SC before "GP took over" is laughable. OOC has always been a factor in whether proposals pass or not.Wallenburg wrote:This is, among other reasons, the consequence of GP taking over the SC.
Wallenburg wrote:among other reasons
by Auze » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:09 pm
by Astrobolt » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:20 pm
Auze wrote:Support, though it seems like this resolution will not come to pass. Considering the political bias of the WA, this is fairly unsurprising.
by Cretox State » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:04 pm
by The New California Republic » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:13 pm
Cretox State wrote:"Quick! Someone commend this guy!"
by Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:17 pm
Cretox State wrote:"Quick! Someone commend this guy!"
by Wallenburg » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:18 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Cretox State wrote:"Quick! Someone commend this guy!"
Big yikes, at this point I think we should condemn CD.
by Yokiria » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:31 pm
by Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:04 pm
by Auralia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:59 pm
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:There are plenty of Catholics who not only do not "adhere to Catholic teaching on sexuality" but actively oppose it. Are they "anti-Catholic"?
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:You're conflating opposition to individual acts and beliefs with anti-religious intolerance, when they are two fundamentally different things.
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:...that he wrote them because of his Catholicism does not mean those people are trying to tear down churches or stop others from exercising their freedom of religion or conscience.
by Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:42 pm
Auralia wrote:Sierra Lyricalia wrote:There are plenty of Catholics who not only do not "adhere to Catholic teaching on sexuality" but actively oppose it. Are they "anti-Catholic"?
Yes -- obviously! How can a person oppose the core moral teachings of the Catholic Church without thereby setting themselves in opposition to it? Baptism does not categorically protect them from heresy or apostasy.
Their opposition may be completely irrational, or it may be based on what they believe to be legitimate reasons. Either way, it's still anti-Catholicism.Sierra Lyricalia wrote:You're conflating opposition to individual acts and beliefs with anti-religious intolerance, when they are two fundamentally different things.
We're not talking about "anti-religious intolerance"
... -- a concept that you and I probably understand very differently, incidentally -- we're talking about anti-Catholicism.
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:...that he wrote them because of his Catholicism does not mean those people are trying to tear down churches or stop others from exercising their freedom of religion or conscience.
Your position is that anything short of literally tearing down churches does not constitute anti-Catholicism?
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