[DEFEATED] Commend Christian Democrats

[Marxist Germany]

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OOC: You missed this:

What people might find problematic is CD's view that homosexual relationships are inferior[...]

[The New California Republic]

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OOC: You missed this:

What people might find problematic is CD's view that homosexual relationships are inferior[...]

That doesn't counter what IA said...

[Outer Sparta]

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OOC: You missed this:

What people might find problematic is CD's view that homosexual relationships are inferior[...]

Are you merely reinforcing CD's views or trying to rebut against IA?

[The New California Republic]

OOC: You missed this:

Are you merely reinforcing CD's views or trying to rebut against IA?

If it is an attempt at a rebuttal then it fails miserably, because it does nothing to counter what IA is saying. It's just all a bit weird tbh.

[Marxist Germany]

Are you merely reinforcing CD's views or trying to rebut against IA?

If it is an attempt at a rebuttal then it fails miserably, because it does nothing to counter what IA is saying. It's just all a bit weird tbh.

OOC: I was pointing out to IA that I did mention CD's views on same-sex marriage and I saw no need for him to beat a dead horse.

[The New California Republic]

If it is an attempt at a rebuttal then it fails miserably, because it does nothing to counter what IA is saying. It's just all a bit weird tbh.

OOC: I was pointing out to IA that I did mention CD's views on same-sex marriage and I saw no need for him to beat a dead horse.

Except you contradict yourself when you said that "CD's OOC views ... state that LGBT persons ... should not be discriminated against"

See the problem? You say that their views said that LGBT people should not be discriminated against, and yet in your next breath you say they do exactly that. So which is it?

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: I was pointing out to IA that I did mention CD's views on same-sex marriage and I saw no need for him to beat a dead horse.

Except you contradict yourself when you said that "CD's OOC views ... state that LGBT persons ... should not be discriminated against"

See the problem? You say that their views said that LGBT people should not be discriminated against, and yet in your next breath you say they do exactly that. So which is it?

OOC: Except in cases of marriage, though I would not call that discrimination in the traditional sense, considering same-sex marriage is an issue of its own.

[The New California Republic]

Except you contradict yourself when you said that "CD's OOC views ... state that LGBT persons ... should not be discriminated against"

See the problem? You say that their views said that LGBT people should not be discriminated against, and yet in your next breath you say they do exactly that. So which is it?

OOC: Except in cases of marriage, though I would not call that discrimination in the traditional sense, considering same-sex marriage is an issue of its own.

Some shitty gymnastics there that don't resolve the contradiction in what you just said. It's discrimination.

[The Church of Satan]

His OOC views have nothing to do with the commendation.

[The New California Republic]

His OOC views have nothing to do with the commendation.

Even if that's the case, the noncompliance alone is still more than bad enough to warrant denying it.

[Praeceps]

His OOC views have nothing to do with the commendation.

I presume you are speaking specifically of CD's OOC views in this case and not that OOC views should generally be disregarded for commendations/condemnations?

[Refuge Isle]

His OOC views have nothing to do with the commendation.

This is a weird idea to me, because I typically think about the SC as an OOC institution that presents cases in an IC format for the purposes of storytelling. If OOC characteristics weren't relevant then there would be a host of problematic characters that should be handed out awards. Fortunately that isn't the case and this can still lose by five digits.

[WayNeacTia]

As to the non-compliance, I do agree that people should not be flaunting their noncompliance; however, it does seem as if CD is not outright dismissing GA proposals, but rather, cleverly interpreting them to suit their views.

I encourage people to revisit their views on this proposal.

It's not like you weren't told this was going to happen, but you forged on anyway. This is more of an embarrassment to CD, than some defeat for you.

[The Church of Satan]

His OOC views have nothing to do with the commendation.

I presume you are speaking specifically of CD's OOC views in this case and not that OOC views should generally be disregarded for commendations/condemnations?

Unless they are somehow rules-lawyered into a resolution, yeah.

His OOC views have nothing to do with the commendation.

This is a weird idea to me, because I typically think about the SC as an OOC institution that presents cases in an IC format for the purposes of storytelling. If OOC characteristics weren't relevant then there would be a host of problematic characters that should be handed out awards. Fortunately that isn't the case and this can still lose by five digits.

The SC is an IC institution just like the GA is. The difference between it and the GA however is that the SC is more hands-on, more forceful at times. The SC acts as an IC "morality compass" and as a sort of military referee in Gameplay (in the case of Liberation resolutions.)

It is definitely not an OOC morality police or measuring stick of the real world's political or social climate.

[Fauxia]

His OOC views have nothing to do with the commendation.

I presume you are speaking specifically of CD's OOC views in this case and not that OOC views should generally be disregarded for commendations/condemnations?

I can’t speak for CoS but in my view... pretty much.

OOC stuff matters if you can find a pattern of toxicity (in this case, towards LGBT players) or things which truly endanger player safety. Can you find a pattern where CD treats LGBT players like scum? Burden of proof is on you. I don’t think it’s really possible to disagree that CD has done enough to be commended.

CD’s views are relevant if he’s running for political office or something. He isn’t, it’s a recognition of achievements on a browser game. Obviously, those achievements are moot if he endangers the community, but I’ve yet to see a case where that occurs.

[Wallenburg]

It is definitely not an OOC morality police or measuring stick of the real world's political or social climate.

C&Cs and repeals of the same have on several occasions passed for OOC reasons. This is not new, and this is not exceptional. This is, among other reasons, the consequence of GP taking over the SC.

[The Church of Satan]

C&Cs and repeals of the same have on several occasions passed for OOC reasons. This is not new, and this is not exceptional. This is, among other reasons, the consequence of GP taking over the SC.

And you can tell that I'm opposed to such reasoning. It is neither justified nor is it right, no matter what someone might feel in their heart.

[Logon]

This seems like an obviously deserving nation. If another nation not named Christian Democrats had done the things listed in this resolution, it would be perhaps one of the easiest slam-dunk resolutions in recent memory.

But religion bad/s

[Praeceps]

I presume you are speaking specifically of CD's OOC views in this case and not that OOC views should generally be disregarded for commendations/condemnations?

I can’t speak for CoS but in my view... pretty much.

OOC stuff matters if you can find a pattern of toxicity (in this case, towards LGBT players) or things which truly endanger player safety. Can you find a pattern where CD treats LGBT players like scum? Burden of proof is on you. I don’t think it’s really possible to disagree that CD has done enough to be commended.

CD’s views are relevant if he’s running for political office or something. He isn’t, it’s a recognition of achievements on a browser game. Obviously, those achievements are moot if he endangers the community, but I’ve yet to see a case where that occurs.

The burden of proof is not on me as I have not made any assertions as to CD's actions in relation to LGBT players. I just was looking to clarify CoS's rather concerning stance. Thanks for trying though.

[Alcala-Cordel]

OOC: I could not access the internet for the past week, so I was not able to respond to the arguments presented here, but I will summarise the arguments and respond to them.

To start off, I do not believe that CD's OOC views should be applied when considering an IC Commend, and even if we did include them, CD's OOC views on LGBT persons are in alignment with the Church's teachings, which state that LGBT persons must be treated with respect and dignity, and should not be discriminated against, for they are, as all humans, created in the image of God. What people might find problematic is CD's view that homosexual relationships are inferior, and whilst it may be an objectionable view to hold, people seem to be blowing it out of proportion to include hatred of all LGBT people.

As to the non-compliance, I do agree that people should not be flaunting their noncompliance; however, it does seem as if CD is not outright dismissing GA proposals, but rather, cleverly interpreting them to suit their views.

I encourage people to revisit their views on this proposal.

In most cases I'd agree with you that OOC politics shouldn't be taken into account. Still, I can't support anyone who looks down upon my LGBT comrades in any way, for any reason.

[Fauxia]

I can’t speak for CoS but in my view... pretty much.

OOC stuff matters if you can find a pattern of toxicity (in this case, towards LGBT players) or things which truly endanger player safety. Can you find a pattern where CD treats LGBT players like scum? Burden of proof is on you. I don’t think it’s really possible to disagree that CD has done enough to be commended.

CD’s views are relevant if he’s running for political office or something. He isn’t, it’s a recognition of achievements on a browser game. Obviously, those achievements are moot if he endangers the community, but I’ve yet to see a case where that occurs.

The burden of proof is not on me as I have not made any assertions as to CD's actions in relation to LGBT players. I just was looking to clarify CoS's rather concerning stance. Thanks for trying though.

I suppose I should’ve used an “if” somewhere.

[Potimus Prime]

Why do you guys care about "Non compliance"? I hardly ever pay attention to General Assembly resolutions because frankly they dont do much. If you disagree with a general assembly resolution you can easily ignore it and go on with your life. It's not like it actually affects anything about your nation whatsoever. CD and his buddies are just saying that they disagree with that abortion resolution that was recently passed. And seeing as how the guy leads a region named "Catholic" that's not really suprising. Secutlrity council resolutions should be based on the canidates OOC actions not wether or not they're imaginary nation is complying with the laws of this sites offbrand UN or not.

[Wallenburg]

Why do you guys care about "Non compliance"? I hardly ever pay attention to General Assembly resolutions because frankly they dont do much. If you disagree with a general assembly resolution you can easily ignore it and go on with your life. It's not like it actually affects anything about your nation whatsoever. CD and his buddies are just saying that they disagree with that abortion resolution that was recently passed. And seeing as how the guy leads a region named "Catholic" that's not really suprising. Secutlrity council resolutions should be based on the canidates OOC actions not wether or not they're imaginary nation is complying with the laws of this sites offbrand UN or not.

Ah yes, WA legislation and compliance with the laws of the very body the nominee is to be commended by is just imaginary and unimportant, but the commendation itself is super serious, real, and important. No, we can hold nominees to whatever standards we please, and in a game where the SC acts ostensibly ICly, IC matters are completely acceptable tools for setting those standards.

[Outer Sparta]

Why do you guys care about "Non compliance"? I hardly ever pay attention to General Assembly resolutions because frankly they dont do much. If you disagree with a general assembly resolution you can easily ignore it and go on with your life. It's not like it actually affects anything about your nation whatsoever. CD and his buddies are just saying that they disagree with that abortion resolution that was recently passed. And seeing as how the guy leads a region named "Catholic" that's not really suprising. Secutlrity council resolutions should be based on the canidates OOC actions not wether or not they're imaginary nation is complying with the laws of this sites offbrand UN or not.

So you're fine with noncompliance?

[Honeydewistania]

If we’re going into OOC bad of the nominee, there plenty of examples