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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu May 07, 2020 10:02 am

OOC: I believe that CD is definitely deserving of a Commend, sure, he may have been involved in some controversial debates and dicussions; however, I believe that his work and contributions should allow us to oversee these controversies.

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Commend Christian Democrats
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The World Assembly,

Praising the significant contributions brought about by the nation of [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation], to the World Assembly and the Nation States; including its skilled General Assembly ambassadors, its regional leadership abilities, and the several issues of great importance that have been highlighted and presented to national leaders by it,

Impressed by the numerous resolutions passed by [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation]' ambassadors through direct authorship, and co-authorship, in the World Assembly, which amounts to 13 resolutions: 12 in the General Assembly, and 1 in the Security Council; these resolutions have covered varying and momentous topics, and include: GA#213 which protects the right to privacy with some exceptions for criminal activity and other minor situations; bans on non-consensual marriages and marital rape in GA#160 and GA#231 respectively; GA#285 that provided member-states with the prerogative to decide upon the legality of euthanasia, and banned forced euthanasia; GA#310 which gave the franchise to people with disabilities; GA#233 which banned businesses from taking life insurance on their workers and subsequently profit over their deaths; and several others,

Recognising that [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation] is the current and longest-serving delegate of Catholic, with 1260 consecutive days and over 2200 total days in that office; furthermore, during its reign as delegate, the region reached an all-time high membership record of 123 nations, and has enjoyed a long period of stability and security during this era, Christian Democrats also served as the High Councillor of the region from 2012 to 2013,

Applauding [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation]' involvement in liberation and subsequent refounding of Catholic, which included the authorship of SC#82 Repeal "Liberate Catholic"; the refounding of the region ensured that the region will be safe from raiders, and it succeeded in doing so as there were no raids of Catholic thereafter,

Observing that [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation] served many positions in other regions, these include:
  • Officer of Internal Affairs, Officer of Culture, Officer of WA Affairs, Officer of Media, Speaker of the Assembly, and Citizenship Councillor, in The Rejected Realms, herein referred to as TRR, under the alias James II; during its time in TRR, [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation] was active in the regional legislature known as The Assembly, was responsible for writing the regional newspaper during 2015, and was one of the most remarkable and prominent members of the region at the time;
  • TRR's Representative to The Founderless Regions Alliance from 2013 to 2016, an alliance that was one of the largest defending organisations in history, it also served as Speaker of the Assembly from 2015 to 2016, and as Deputy Speaker of the Assembly from 2014 to 2015; it served as Speaker and Representative until the Alliance went defunct;


Noting the several issues of national importance that have been brought to leaders by [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation] which are:
  • Electile Dysfunction, which dealt with different methods of electing a national legislature, such as proportional representation, first-past-the-post, ranked-choice voting, sortition, and plutocracy;
  • Foetal Furore, which addressed the issue of protests on abortion outside of abortion clinics, and allowed nations to ban protests outside of abortion clinics, allow them, ban abortion entirely, or ban the pro-life movement;
  • Bicameral Backlash, which highlighted the benefits and disadvantages of a bicameral legislature;
  • Clerical Errors, an issue that gave nations the option to allow women to serve as members of the clergy, ban them from doing so, or keep the government out of such matter;

Acknowledging that [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation] maintained a comprehensive list of every known issue brought forth to the attention of national leaders for a period of approximately 14 months before it decided to pass the task to [nation=noflag]Drasnia[/nation],

Awed by the hundreds of debates that the World Assembly delegation of [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation] participated in, which helped improve and refine numerous proposals and resolutions, and has certainly left its mark in the General Assembly,

Believing that a nation with as many accomplishments as [nation=noflag]Christian Democrats[/nation] is certainly deserving of the honour of having a Security Council Commend bestowed upon it,

Hereby Commends Christian Democrats.
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Thu May 07, 2020 1:51 pm

Noting the Christian Democrats several issues of national importance that have been brought to national leaders which are:

This doesn't look correct, and using national twice seems redundant.

Perhaps "Noting the several issues of national importance that have been brought to leaders by Christian Democrats, which are:"
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Postby Bormiar » Thu May 07, 2020 2:24 pm

Saying that CD's proposals pass by high margins could potentially weaken this proposal as it suggests that he was just picking easy nominees.

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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu May 07, 2020 4:59 pm

Yeah, were not going to be doing this. Pick an easier target.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu May 07, 2020 5:34 pm

I've isolated the SPAG errors in your proposal below - you know where they are:
Marxist Germany wrote:the NationStates... it's 9 year-long existence... bicarmel legislature... every known issues... a Security Council Commend bestowed

You also appear to have forgotten your full stops and semicolons in the final OBSERVING bullet point - but as usual for a nominee of this calibre, full and unequivocal support.
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Postby Daves Computer » Thu May 07, 2020 7:36 pm

As an outsider looking in, I fail to see why, in this proposal, CD is deserving of this commendation. That's not to say he is undeserving of it, but that the proposal fails to lay out why he would be. Though his actions as a delegate and founder show dedication and passion for his regions, these actions seem to be purely in self interest. These actions appear to only benefit the region he's a part of - not the greater international community. Though you note his admirable titles and the accomplishments of regions he was a part of that did help the international community, you fail to tie his specific involvement in them. And as was previously stated, pointing out that the resolutions he wrote passed by high margins only seems to make clear the fact that these were highly favorable topics that with or without CD would have been passed by the will and interests of the WA. And in regards to issues, these are clearly OOC affairs irrelevant to the WA.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu May 07, 2020 7:49 pm

It’d be better for you to remove RtL army bit, the whole Westphalia bit and perhaps maybe the whole Right to Life part.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri May 08, 2020 6:16 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:a Security Council Commend bestowed

OOC: I am not sure what the error in that is.

I have made edits to the proposal; including a complete removal of the Right to Life and Westphalia, an expansion on the TRR section, and an expansion of the GA section.
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Mon May 11, 2020 2:24 pm

I'm torn between my love of this author and the anti-secular crusade that the target is internationally infamous for.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Mon May 11, 2020 4:15 pm

Benevolent Thomas wrote:I'm torn between my love of this author and the anti-secular crusade that the target is internationally infamous for.

OOC: I am flattered!
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon May 11, 2020 9:12 pm

My full support, obviously

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Postby South Reinkalistan » Wed May 13, 2020 3:53 am

Considering the fact that Christian Democrats - as Benevolent Thomas helpfully outlined - is known to vocally espouse some rather hard-line religious viewpoints, including the assertion that gay marriages and relationships are somehow worth less than that of their straight counterparts, I shall regretfully state my opposition. While this is well-written and I am not for a moment denying that CD has achieved things that are ultimately commendable, I cannot in good conscience support this draft.

That said, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure that the penultimate clause ("Believing that a nation...") constitutes fluff; I am not certain as to whether this is the case, however.
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Postby Twobagger » Thu May 14, 2020 12:34 am

This seems like an obviously deserving nation. If another nation not named Christian Democrats had done the things listed in this resolution, it would be perhaps one of the easiest slam-dunk resolutions in recent memory.

The only important question seems to be: should this nation's promotion of certain religious issues keep them from being Commended? I tend to think not, even if you think that this nation's crusade (for lack of a better word) has been pretty harmful - with a few exceptions, I don't think that negative actions "cancel out" positive ones. I think that we can and should recognize the frankly immense amount of good that this nation has done for the international community, even if you think that this nation has displayed a good deal of religious zealotry, and even if you think that this zealotry has been ultimately harmful.

I personally think that this is a well written resolution of an obviously extremely deserving target, and support it.

Just as a note, MG: as Tinhampton pointed out, your draft still lists an issue as "Bicarmel Backlash" when it should be "Bicameral Backlash."
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat May 23, 2020 9:19 am

OOC: Bumping this for feedback.
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Postby The Rouge Christmas State » Sat May 23, 2020 9:34 am

I'm certainly glad to see this being tried again. I've tried in the past to commend CD and still believe he's deserving. With that being said it'll be tough but a good number of older NS nations certainly would approve. Maybe try asking him what he would like to see included. Good luck you have my support! :)
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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Mon May 25, 2020 5:52 am

The Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats has shown itself worthy of a commendation for the reasons outlined above.

Two concerns with regards to this honourable proposal:
  • "Appluading" should be "Applauding";
  • "Commends" in the last sentence should not have a capital letter (unless it's a style choice);

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:27 am

"I will be submitting this proposal in about a week, any last minute feedback would be appreciated."
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OOC: Any more feedback? Should be submitted soon.
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Marxist Germany wrote:OOC: Any more feedback? Should be submitted soon.

I'm guessing "Don't submit this" is not the feedback you're looking for. :p
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Postby Black Hawks Matter » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:53 pm

Christian Democrats is a conservative who has committed conservative actions. Therefore, this will not pass because religious conservatism is bad.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:26 am

The following is a rewording of what you currently have; do with this as you please. No content has been significantly added or removed.
The World Assembly,

Noting that - while Christian Democrats has traditionally and unapologetically advanced a conservative agenda on the international stage - that should not disqualify such a worthy and hard-working nation from being recognised,

Impressed not only by the constructive and productive commentary supplied by the Christian Democratic ambassadors to the General Assembly to help improve hundreds of draft proposals, but also by their authorship (and co-authorship) of twelve resolutions, among them:
  • GA#213 Privacy Protection Act, a replacement for GA#58 which explicitly preserved the right to privacy, while allowing member states to carry out surveillance (for instance) in the interest of preserving public morals or national security,
  • GA#310 Disabled Voters Act, which prevented member states choosing to hold elections to stop otherwise-eligible individuals voting simply because of being disabled,
  • GA#233 Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (authored by [resolution=SC#28]Sionis Prioratus[/resolution]), which required companies in member states to seek the consent of their employees before taking out a life insurance policy in their name which they could subsequently profit from, and
  • GA#160 Forced Marriages Ban Act, which forbade and dissolved all marriages conducted in member states without the consent of all involved partners,

Recognising Christian Democrats' work for their native region of Catholic, including:
  • collaborating with natives and defenders alike in helping to liberate and rebuild their home region, especially through authoring SC#82 Repeal "Liberate Catholic," which helped paved the way for the passwording of Catholic in preparation for its refounding in April 2012,
  • ongoing, dutiful service as WA Delegate for a near-continuous period of more than six years, including overseeing a rise in the region's population to over 120 nations at one stage, and
  • membership of the regional High Council for a year from August 2012, thus being one of the symbolic leaders of the region (and they are indeed one of Catholic's most esteemed nations to this day),

Applauding Christian Democrats' remarkable dedication to The Rejected Realms (TRR) under the banner of [nation]James II[/region], which has previously included:
  • service in four Officer posts (Internal Affairs, Media, Culture and WA Affairs), as well as being one of three Citizenship Councillors (in which they helped to carry out security checks on national leaders within TRR whose nations wish to apply for regional citizenship),
  • active participation in TRR's Assembly of citizens, including their passage of a bill to extend the symbolic regional holiday of Rejectmas by six days, and previously serving as its Speaker, and
  • being deployed as TRR's Representative to the Founderless Regions Alliance (a highly influential interregional defending organisation) from 2013 - and then winning election to become the Alliance's Speaker from 2015 - both until its dissolution in 2016,

Grateful for the dedication that Christian Democrats has put into not only cataloguing every issue brought to the attention of world leaders for over a year from December 2015, but also alerting them to matters as diverse as how their national legislature should be elected (better known as "Elective Dysfunction"), the necessity of an upper house ("Bicameral Backlash"), protests outside abortion clinics ("Foetal Furore") and female priests ("Clerical Errors"),

Utterly convinced that any nation which has done as much as Christian Democrats to improve the state of the multiverse deserves to be Commended by this august body:

Hereby Commends Christian Democrats.
You have, like many others, fallen into the trap of simply listing positions without explaining why they are noteworthy.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:27 am

Black Hawks Matter wrote:Christian Democrats is a conservative who has committed conservative actions. Therefore, this will not pass because religious conservatism is bad.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:48 am

Tinhampton wrote:The following is a rewording of what you currently have; do with this as you please. No content has been significantly added or removed.
The World Assembly,

Noting that - while Christian Democrats has traditionally and unapologetically advanced a conservative agenda on the international stage - that should not disqualify such a worthy and hard-working nation from being recognised,

Impressed not only by the constructive and productive commentary supplied by the Christian Democratic ambassadors to the General Assembly to help improve hundreds of draft proposals, but also by their authorship (and co-authorship) of twelve resolutions, among them:
  • GA#213 Privacy Protection Act, a replacement for GA#58 which explicitly preserved the right to privacy, while allowing member states to carry out surveillance (for instance) in the interest of preserving public morals or national security,
  • GA#310 Disabled Voters Act, which prevented member states choosing to hold elections to stop otherwise-eligible individuals voting simply because of being disabled,
  • GA#233 Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (authored by [resolution=SC#28]Sionis Prioratus[/resolution]), which required companies in member states to seek the consent of their employees before taking out a life insurance policy in their name which they could subsequently profit from, and
  • GA#160 Forced Marriages Ban Act, which forbade and dissolved all marriages conducted in member states without the consent of all involved partners,

Recognising Christian Democrats' work for their native region of Catholic, including:
  • collaborating with natives and defenders alike in helping to liberate and rebuild their home region, especially through authoring SC#82 Repeal "Liberate Catholic," which helped paved the way for the passwording of Catholic in preparation for its refounding in April 2012,
  • ongoing, dutiful service as WA Delegate for a near-continuous period of more than six years, including overseeing a rise in the region's population to over 120 nations at one stage, and
  • membership of the regional High Council for a year from August 2012, thus being one of the symbolic leaders of the region (and they are indeed one of Catholic's most esteemed nations to this day),

Applauding Christian Democrats' remarkable dedication to The Rejected Realms (TRR) under the banner of [nation]James II[/region], which has previously included:
  • service in four Officer posts (Internal Affairs, Media, Culture and WA Affairs), as well as being one of three Citizenship Councillors (in which they helped to carry out security checks on national leaders within TRR whose nations wish to apply for regional citizenship),
  • active participation in TRR's Assembly of citizens, including their passage of a bill to extend the symbolic regional holiday of Rejectmas by six days, and previously serving as its Speaker, and
  • being deployed as TRR's Representative to the Founderless Regions Alliance (a highly influential interregional defending organisation) from 2013 - and then winning election to become the Alliance's Speaker from 2015 - both until its dissolution in 2016,

Grateful for the dedication that Christian Democrats has put into not only cataloguing every issue brought to the attention of world leaders for over a year from December 2015, but also alerting them to matters as diverse as how their national legislature should be elected (better known as "Elective Dysfunction"), the necessity of an upper house ("Bicameral Backlash"), protests outside abortion clinics ("Foetal Furore") and female priests ("Clerical Errors"),

Utterly convinced that any nation which has done as much as Christian Democrats to improve the state of the multiverse deserves to be Commended by this august body:

Hereby Commends Christian Democrats.
You have, like many others, fallen into the trap of simply listing positions without explaining why they are noteworthy.

OOC: I prefer having long paragraphs as opposed to laundry lists, no offense.

Black Hawks Matter wrote:Christian Democrats is a conservative who has committed conservative actions. Therefore, this will not pass because religious conservatism is bad.

OOC: You say that as if "committing" conservative actions is a crime...
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:39 am

Marxist Germany wrote:OOC: You say that as if "committing" conservative actions is a crime...

I'm not trying to troll-name or anything, but judging by the post history, they're joking.

Example: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=486717&p=37238461#p37238461

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Postby Black Hawks Matter » Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:25 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Black Hawks Matter wrote:Christian Democrats is a conservative who has committed conservative actions. Therefore, this will not pass because religious conservatism is bad.

OOC: You say that as if "committing" conservative actions is a crime...

Well, yes, committing conservative actions is a big no-no. That is why you see a lot of opposition to this proposal. As should be the case.
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Marxist Germany wrote:OOC: You say that as if "committing" conservative actions is a crime...

I'm not trying to troll-name or anything, but judging by the post history, they're joking.

I take offense at being called a troll. I was being serious when I simply stated the reality of the matter: this proposal will not pass because Christian Democrats is a conservative. That is why past attempts at commending Christian Democrats failed, and it is the case with this proposal as well. I am so proud of this community.
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