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by Christian Democrats » Sat May 23, 2020 2:18 am
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Araraukar » Sat May 23, 2020 4:50 am
Christian Democrats wrote:Really? This proposal would require every employer to have a room "reserved for the sole purpose of breastfeeding."
This requirement would impose an unnecessary and costly burden on small employers, especially if there is only one breastfeeding employee. Why does there have to be a room whose "sole purpose" is breastfeeding? Why can't an employer use a multi-purpose room?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Tinhampton » Sun May 24, 2020 5:31 pm
by Australian rePublic » Mon May 25, 2020 2:54 pm
who can prove to their employer that they cannot avoid breastfeeding their children in the workplace shall be entitled to:
a private, safe, hygienic and ventilated area in that workplace, separate from any toilets that may exist on-site, which shall be reserved for the sole purpose of breastfeeding; and
by Flying Eagles » Mon May 25, 2020 8:39 pm
by Australian rePublic » Mon May 25, 2020 11:29 pm
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:The Greater Soviet North America wrote:1) This is merely a draft of the law.
2) This law focuses on the rights of women in the workforce, who continue to struggle to exercise those same rights.
3) If you want to submit a law on the rights of men, go ahead.
4) This law does not discriminate on the basis of sex or gender.
OOC:
Point 2. Is RP policing.
Some nations might not care about gender whilst others might have more sexism against men.
by Kenmoria » Tue May 26, 2020 4:26 am
Australian rePublic wrote:who can prove to their employer that they cannot avoid breastfeeding their children in the workplace shall be entitled to:
a private, safe, hygienic and ventilated area in that workplace, separate from any toilets that may exist on-site, which shall be reserved for the sole purpose of breastfeeding; and
So what about tiny restaurants who don't have the space to provide ventelated breast feeding rooms? What about doctor's surgeries who don't have the space to provide breast feeding rooms? What about bars and night club? Why would it even be appropriate to take your baby to a bar or night club? What about tiny office buildings that don't ave the space to provide breast feeding rooms? What about factories which don't... not everybody works in a giant building
by Australian rePublic » Tue May 26, 2020 5:24 am
Kenmoria wrote:Somebody being unable to breastfeed an infant is actually quite an unlikely scenario, so this shouldn’t be that much of a problem. I don’t think that one requires a ‘giant building’ in order to house a single room, since that room could be rather small in size. The biggest issue I can see would be a workplace in which there aren’t any rooms, for example a safari. Even in this case, providing an outhouse of sorts shouldn’t be that much of a burden.)
by Ardiveds » Tue May 26, 2020 5:26 am
Kenmoria wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:...
So what about tiny restaurants who don't have the space to provide ventelated breast feeding rooms? What about doctor's surgeries who don't have the space to provide breast feeding rooms? What about bars and night club? Why would it even be appropriate to take your baby to a bar or night club? What about tiny office buildings that don't ave the space to provide breast feeding rooms? What about factories which don't... not everybody works in a giant building
Somebody being unable to breastfeed an infant is actually quite an unlikely scenario, so this shouldn’t be that much of a problem. I don’t think that one requires a ‘giant building’ in order to house a single room, since that room could be rather small in size. The biggest issue I can see would be a workplace in which there aren’t any rooms, for example a safari. Even in this case, providing an outhouse of sorts shouldn’t be that much of a burden.)
by Australian rePublic » Tue May 26, 2020 5:33 am
Ardiveds wrote:Kenmoria wrote:
Somebody being unable to breastfeed an infant is actually quite an unlikely scenario, so this shouldn’t be that much of a problem. I don’t think that one requires a ‘giant building’ in order to house a single room, since that room could be rather small in size. The biggest issue I can see would be a workplace in which there aren’t any rooms, for example a safari. Even in this case, providing an outhouse of sorts shouldn’t be that much of a burden.)
OOC: And what if its a really small local business that literally has one or two really small rooms anyway? Reserving a room just for a chance that someone that needs to breastfeed their baby happens to get employed seems rather problematic. I mean you can't just make a whole room within days whenever the need arises.
by Agualia » Tue May 26, 2020 7:07 am
by Tinhampton » Tue May 26, 2020 7:11 am
Agualia wrote:Hello. Can I ask what is the difference between E1 & E2?
by Agualia » Tue May 26, 2020 8:21 am
Tinhampton wrote:Agualia wrote:Hello. Can I ask what is the difference between E1 & E2?
As I said earlier: "Workers are (1) entitled to at least eight weeks of parental leave in this resoluion; of which they (2) may use at least four weeks after giving birth or adopting, AND (3) may use up to four weeks before giving birth."
Regarding the requirement for breastfeeding rooms: GSNA's original draft required that such rooms be separate from the toilets and I rewrote the proposal accordingly. I'm broadly agreed with Ara but (if this fails) I suspect this mandate might be reformulated in the redraft.
by Wallenburg » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:22 am
by Heavens Reach » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:25 am
Defines a "worker" as an individual who currently has a contract with an employer which entails carrying out particular tasks for that employer with the expectation of a regular monetary reward, including those individuals who are currently shadowing workers or are working as interns for that employer
by Kenmoria » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:59 am
by The New Nordic Union » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:15 am
Heavens Reach wrote:Defines a "worker" as an individual who currently has a contract with an employer which entails carrying out particular tasks for that employer with the expectation of a regular monetary reward, including those individuals who are currently shadowing workers or are working as interns for that employer
Ambassador, this is an extremely narrow definition of "worker" -- most workers are not contracted to provide their labor. This essentially only protects educated professionals and freelancers. Voting for this resolution in its present form would undermine future efforts to protect a larger working demographic. If the proposal is retracted, and worker redefined, we will reconsider this proposal. In its present form, we must vote against. This is lamentable as we strongly believe in the necessity of a similar resolution.
by Absentia » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:41 am
Disgraces wrote:Why tf y'all voting against?
by Heavens Reach » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:16 pm
The New Nordic Union wrote:Heavens Reach wrote:
Ambassador, this is an extremely narrow definition of "worker" -- most workers are not contracted to provide their labor. This essentially only protects educated professionals and freelancers. Voting for this resolution in its present form would undermine future efforts to protect a larger working demographic. If the proposal is retracted, and worker redefined, we will reconsider this proposal. In its present form, we must vote against. This is lamentable as we strongly believe in the necessity of a similar resolution.
'While it is true that certain forms of employment are not covered by the resolution, especially, contrary to your opinion, freelancers in most cases (because they receive no regular monetary reward), most others are included - especially so the labourer you seem to have in mind, and not only professionals.'
by The New Nordic Union » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:31 pm
Heavens Reach wrote:The New Nordic Union wrote:
'While it is true that certain forms of employment are not covered by the resolution, especially, contrary to your opinion, freelancers in most cases (because they receive no regular monetary reward), most others are included - especially so the labourer you seem to have in mind, and not only professionals.'
We disagree with the assertion, ambassador, that labourers are protected by this proposal, which stipulates that only contractual workers qualify for any of its enumerated protections. In most fields of employment, particularly those of the least well compensated labourers, employment is at will, and not the result of contract.
by Heavens Reach » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:53 pm
The New Nordic Union wrote:Heavens Reach wrote:
We disagree with the assertion, ambassador, that labourers are protected by this proposal, which stipulates that only contractual workers qualify for any of its enumerated protections. In most fields of employment, particularly those of the least well compensated labourers, employment is at will, and not the result of contract.
'At-will employment simplifies the termination of employment, that does not mean the relation is not a contractual one.'
by The New Nordic Union » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:01 pm
by Heavens Reach » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:06 pm
by The New Nordic Union » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:21 pm
Heavens Reach wrote:The New Nordic Union wrote:
'Not in the Nordic Union, and not in any jurisdiction that we know of.'
OOC: Not even in the RL USA, which I believe is the jurisdiction to which most people here are best accustomed.
It would be inaccurate to refer to the realities of at will vs contractual employment as jurisdictional, but we assure you, ambassador, they are mutually exclusice.
OOC: https://www.hrdirectapps.com/blog/at-will-vs-contract-employees-discipline-termination-rights/#:~:text=Employers%20can%20terminate%20at%2Dwill,employees%20from%20wrongful%20termination%20situations.
And more broadly: https://www.google.com/search?q=contractual+employment+vs+at+will&rlz=1CAMWDF_enUS735US735&oq=contract&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l2j46j0l3.1735j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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