[PASSED] RIGHTS OF THE EMPLOYED

[Heavens Reach]

this vote really tearin thru the WA

its centrists vs. leftists

I'd say our nation is just about as left as it gets, but we have decided to vote against this particular resolution. This split has layers.

[Araraukar]

its centrists vs. leftists

OOC: Not really. More like "people who support the idea but not the flaws" vs. "people who do not see the flaws or don't care".

[Kenmoria]

4: Wrestlers aren't normally intimidated while at work

(OOC: Professional scripted wrestling is almost 40% groups of wrestlers trying to intimidate each other with increasingly extravagant displays of hostility. In that course of work, intimidation and hostility are crucial to ensuring an audience for each match, otherwise the shows would rather rapidly lose followers.)

[Araraukar]

4: Wrestlers aren't normally intimidated while at work

(OOC: Professional scripted wrestling is almost 40% groups of wrestlers trying to intimidate each other with increasingly extravagant displays of hostility. In that course of work, intimidation and hostility are crucial to ensuring an audience for each match, otherwise the shows would rather rapidly lose followers.)

OOC: But it's not actual intimidation, it's scripted and coreographed and practiced, so they're no more intimidated than actors on stage or movies or tv series.

[Ardiveds]

OOC: I don't even care if it passes or not anymore. The votes are more exciting than the resolution itself . So what happens if it just so happens to tie?

[Kestrel342]

OOC: I don't even care if it passes or not anymore. The votes are more exciting than the resolution itself . So what happens if it just so happens to tie?

To be honest, I am not sure - I don't think this has ever even come this close in the WA to tying.

[Kandorith]

The Empire has decided to vote against the proposal. Though, in essence it is a good proposal, yet flawed. We believe it would be too far reaching and to restricting towards our national sovereignty. Furthermore it would implicate certain laws we already hve in place for general workers' rights.

[Picairn]

What will happen if there is a tie? Is the resolution going to the GA Secretariats for the final decision?
Edit: The individual nations voting For outnumber the ones voting Against by more than twice, and they seem to be increasing.

[La Xinga]

What will happen if there is a tie? Is the resolution going to the GA Secretariats for the final decision?
Edit: The individual nations voting For outnumber the ones voting Against by more than twice, and they seem to be increasing.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_de ... /council=1

If it wasn't for big delegates voting against, FOR would be in the lead by TONS!

You can clearly see all these big delegates vote against, and that is what is keeping the "against" team alive.

[South Konkan]

I don't want the economy to implode.

[Astrobolt]

What will happen if there is a tie? Is the resolution going to the GA Secretariats for the final decision?
Edit: The individual nations voting For outnumber the ones voting Against by more than twice, and they seem to be increasing.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_de ... /council=1

If it wasn't for big delegates voting against, FOR would be in the lead by TONS!

You can clearly see all these big delegates vote against, and that is what is keeping the "against" team alive.

OOC: A lot of these 'big delegates' base their votes off of offsite forums, where region members can vote. Many of the delegate votes are relatively democratic.

[La Xinga]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_de ... /council=1

If it wasn't for big delegates voting against, FOR would be in the lead by TONS!

You can clearly see all these big delegates vote against, and that is what is keeping the "against" team alive.

OOC: A lot of these 'big delegates' base their votes off of offsite forums, where region members can vote. Many of the delegate votes are relatively democratic.

If you click the link, you can see the INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS voted SO MUCH FOR FOR! It's only the delegates that keep em' alive.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: A lot of these 'big delegates' base their votes off of offsite forums, where region members can vote. Many of the delegate votes are relatively democratic.

If you click the link, you can see the INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS voted SO MUCH FOR FOR! It's only the delegates that keep em' alive.

Ooc: good for the delegates, I suppose. What's your point?

[La Xinga]

If you click the link, you can see the INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS voted SO MUCH FOR FOR! It's only the delegates that keep em' alive.

Ooc: good for the delegates, I suppose. What's your point?

I'm just saying. I like to talk.

[Flying Eagles]

shall have the right to claim at least eight weeks of parental leave, during which they must receive their full expected wage from their employer, upon childbirth or adoption of a child below the age of majority;

shall have the right to claim at least four weeks of this parental leave after childbirth or adoption of a child below the age of majority;

How are these clauses different? They seem to contradict each other.

[Kenmoria]

OOC: A lot of these 'big delegates' base their votes off of offsite forums, where region members can vote. Many of the delegate votes are relatively democratic.

If you click the link, you can see the INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS voted SO MUCH FOR FOR! It's only the delegates that keep em' alive.

(OOC: That normally means that there are flaws in the proposal not obvious to a casual player not particularly invested in the General Assembly. The delegates normally have offsite forums where legislation is dissected and analysed, whereas a lot of players just look at the title or a few clauses.)

[Morover]

OOC: I don't even care if it passes or not anymore. The votes are more exciting than the resolution itself . So what happens if it just so happens to tie?

To be honest, I am not sure - I don't think this has ever even come this close in the WA to tying.

OOC: It has - Commend Glen-Rhodes is the tightest vote thus far in the World Assembly, being defeated by a measly two votes.

[Araraukar]

To be honest, I am not sure - I don't think this has ever even come this close in the WA to tying.

OOC: It has - Commend Glen-Rhodes is the tightest vote thus far in the World Assembly, being defeated by a measly two votes.

OOC: I think they meant "GA" instead of "WA".

Also, I voted against (on the acc that currently has WA status) because of the breastfeeding room requirement. Or, rather, the bit of it that doesn't allow it to have toilet in it as well. Because splitting various functions of childcare (the milk goes in the baby, and comes out in slightly altered forms that usually need the baby to be washed) into separate rooms for no reason whatsoever, is just silly.

[Islansi]

Do you guys prefer monthly pay or hourly pay?
Did NS RP cited that differences?

[Kenmoria]

Do you guys prefer monthly pay or hourly pay?
Did NS RP cited that differences?

(OOC: Time periods of payment are not covered by this proposal. A business could pay its employees hourly, daily, weekly or even yearly and still be compliant.)

[Sudpreusland]

The Republic of Sudpreußland is voting against this resolution. Like many other nations, we believe that this proposal is morally right in theory, but in reality, will breach national sovereignty.

-Emperor Wilhelm Augustus III
-Chancellor Victor Emmanuel Scopolori

[Ethnic Nations]

OOC: you should probably also stop wasting space on a thread intended to promote discussion about an in-game proposal to promote your non-scientific views about mental illness.

In case you got lost: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=20

I fail to see how discussing "gender identity" is off-topic considering it's explicitly protected by this proposal. It would be akin to a proposal protecting schizophrenics in the workplace and refusing to allow discussion on whether schizophrenia is a mental illness.

[Islansi]

Do you guys prefer monthly pay or hourly pay?
Did NS RP cited that differences?

(OOC: Time periods of payment are not covered by this proposal. A business could pay its employees hourly, daily, weekly or even yearly and still be compliant.)

Okok. Not so real life is also good.

[Heavens Reach]

OOC: you should probably also stop wasting space on a thread intended to promote discussion about an in-game proposal to promote your non-scientific views about mental illness.

In case you got lost: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=20

I fail to see how discussing "gender identity" is off-topic considering it's explicitly protected by this proposal. It would be akin to a proposal protecting schizophrenics in the workplace and refusing to allow discussion on whether schizophrenia is a mental illness.

OOC: it should have tipped you off that it was off-topic that it turned into a protracted OOC discussion. Your ideas about gender identity, which are not based on scientific or medical reasoning, are not relevant to this RP, this proposal, or to anything but your own personal beliefs -- which you can go ahead and discuss in the general forum, so that they can tell you you're wrong too.

[Tinhampton]

Rights of the employed was passed 11,828 votes to 10,133.

This was a victory not only for the everyday voter or the middle-class of Delegates (the five most powerful superdelegates on NS - representing the four cardinal Pacifics and XKI - voted against), but all of us. I'd like to thank the GSNA for their determination to write a successful proposal and accept criticism, Yuno for helping (even if slightly) to push this one over the line, and everybody who voted on this - whether in favour or opposition.