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[DEFEATED] On Marijuana (by Vhaovamer)

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Profitaland
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Marijuana and Profitaland

Postby Profitaland » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:29 am

as of yet i am undecided about this legilastion. on One hand the Marjiuana industry my indtroduce new avenues for boosting the economy. on the other hand an increase of people smoking weed may cause major laziness throughout the populatian and decrease its overall productiveness. But whatever postition that Profitaland takes, know that it will be based on how huge we can make our Economy. "LUCRUM ET GLORIA"

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:42 am

Barfleur wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Apart from everything else, this had no draft, so I will not support it.

Of all the reasons to oppose this proposal, I disagree with your approach. I'm all for looking at new proposals and giving helpful advice, but not drafting it on the forum shouldn't preclude a genuinely good proposal from your consideration. That being said, I voted AGAINST this proposal, and my view seems to popular given the vote so far.

If this had been drafted, there would have been opportunities to fix problems in the proposal. The author's disregard for this important element of writing a proposal, and disrespect toward member states which may desire the opportunity to comment on a proposal before its submission, are grounds for my opposition.
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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:49 am

Pangurstan wrote:Would I be correct in interpreting it as mandating that governments legalize the possession of marijuana and the growing/sale of marijuana, but not mandating that governments legalize the use of marijuana?

(OOC: Yes, that is correct. It is another flaw in the wording of the proposal.)
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The Angry Peasant Crusader Mob
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Postby The Angry Peasant Crusader Mob » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:00 am

I have no idea if this is pro-marijuana or anti-marijuana because I can't tell what it's trying to do.

Against because I don't want marijuana in my country?

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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:03 am

The Angry Peasant Crusader Mob wrote:I have no idea if this is pro-marijuana or anti-marijuana because I can't tell what it's trying to do.

Against because I don't want marijuana in my country?

(OOC: This proposal forces the legalisation of marijuana trading, so is definitely pro-marijuana.)
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Mizhmorya
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Postby Mizhmorya » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:16 am

"As stated in a prior telegram response to Vhaovamer,
We see a complete deficiency of reasoning and laws. There are proposals with the exclusive intending of spectating, as their outcome would be close to null.
We also think that the only major marijuana related articles are 3, 4 and 5. With the other sections saying completely nothing about the general proposal.
We as well do not understand the intent of this proposal, as there is no statement supporting it or explicating it in full detail.

U.S.M. Government hereby declares its rejection to the proposal"
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Hofesh
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Postby Hofesh » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:25 pm

NOTES Section 9 of the General Assembly Resolution number 90, "Drug Trafficking Act",

"Recognises the right of nations to deny entry to vessels transporting recreational drugs."


So even though this recognizes the right of nations to enforce their own laws, this resolutions wants to just completely ignore that?

While yes, I am fine with marijuana being legal in my nation and I would love for other nations to adopt my stance, I also recognize the freedom of other nations to be able to enforce their laws.

In addition,
ENSURES reparations shall be paid towards individuals incarcerated for marijuana and marijuana related paraphernalia in the form of a percentage of the prosecuting nations GDP per capita per year of incarceration;
is too vague and will allow nations to get around this resolution really easily.

This vagueness also is shown here:
RECOGNISING a significant proportion of agreement from the population,
unless this a common term used. A significant proportion could be 1%, as 1% is significant, but it is not very significant.

Overall, this law would disregard the autonomy of nations being able to enforce their laws on a substance on which its harmfulness can be debated on. Hofesh officially opposes this proposal.

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Ave Gloriana
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Postby Ave Gloriana » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:11 pm

With all due respect, this resolution is a grave insult.

Only a year ago, in a public referendum, the electorate rejected the legalisation of marijuana by nearly 70%. You would have us overrule the will of our own people?

On one hand it recognises our right to keep foreign marijuana out of our country, but we must allow our subjects to use domestic marijuana.

We don't want our subject to use any marijuana, and our people are in agreement.

We are naturally opposed to this resolution.
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Mylo-Xylo
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Postby Mylo-Xylo » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:37 pm

As Marshal Supreme, and someone who has personally consumed cannabis in my youth, I fully oppose making this legal. It severely impairs you motor skills and is the opposite of what the stoned hippies and rappers try and tell us it is. Cannabis should be fully outlawed and anyone caught consuming it should face the maximum penalty possible under each country's laws. The bill is one of the worst I've ever seen come through the WA since I've been playing this. Anyone who supports the legalization of any illicit drug should be flogged for their ignorance. It's funny that you the population is in support but this bill is being shot down harder that the Green New Deal. A pathetic excuse for policy, you likely haven't even smoked it before have you. Just like with most politicians, they never do what they make laws on.

Mylo-Xylo is strongly against this bill, and any citizen caught within our borders consuming will be met with harsh punishment.

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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:38 pm

This got something like 100-110? approvals before getting to vote. Opposed due to extreme vagueness.
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Proxmire
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Postby Proxmire » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:50 pm

Any opposition to this bill whatsoever is purely degenerate. Our nuclear arsenal will be prepared for anyone opposed.

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Ottlan
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Postby Ottlan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:06 pm

"Opposed. Ottlan allows the usage of marijuana within its borders. However, Ottlan is strongly opposed to enforcing this policy on other sovereign nations, as the Ottlanian government agrees that this issue is a matter of domestic action."
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:34 pm

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Lothric-
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Postby Lothric- » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:47 pm

More WA bullcrap, no thanks

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Mylo-Xylo
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Postby Mylo-Xylo » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:03 pm

Proxmire wrote:Any opposition to this bill whatsoever is purely degenerate. Our nuclear arsenal will be prepared for anyone opposed.


Threatening nuclear warfare against those that don't support you on such a small issue is what truly makes someone a degenerate. Cannabis is one of the worst things to come of this world. Do not send ignorant threats such as that, you only weaken your argument. You are the true degenerate here.

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Morgravos
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Morgravosian response

Postby Morgravos » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:17 pm

I'm opposed, because I personally believe this should be up to the individual member-nations, not the WA.

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Nowa Europa
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Postby Nowa Europa » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:32 pm

Voting against. Not because I like or dislike marijuana, but because there was no draft submitted and in general there are too many inconsistencies in the writing. This law would leave open loopholes as well as force nations that don't want anything to do with marijuana to legalize sale and possession, but then fails to legalize the actual usage of it?

Against.

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Bigoted Libertarians
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Postby Bigoted Libertarians » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:38 pm

As a nation which supports the use of all drugs — including those we put in the drinking water — I have no problem until you told me that I’d have to pay reparations to people for breaking the law. It’s their own damned fault if they broke the law at the time — it’s called personal responsibility. The Corporation of Bigoted Libertarians stand opposed.

Now get off my damn lawn, you dirty foreigners...
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Postby Morover » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:40 pm

Tinhampton wrote:This got something like 100-110? approvals before getting to vote. Opposed due to extreme vagueness.

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New Tonitrus
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World Assembly Vote on Marijuana

Postby New Tonitrus » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:43 pm

Although a new, and albeit relatively unknown nation, the Kingdom of New Tonitrus votes for this proposal. Our kingdom is entirely for personal and political freedom, and this bill entirely gives every man and woman a simple ability for freedom.

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Latidonia
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Postby Latidonia » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:41 am

"Latidonia votes against this resolution. Whereas we lightly question the international relevance of legislation on cannabis, our opposition has to do, of course, with the resolution's defective, ambiguous and questionable writing, which would among other things, permit the sale of cannabis and would mandate a full pardon to those incarcerated on charges related to cannabis."
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Angelsnow Matriarchy
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Postby Angelsnow Matriarchy » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:46 am

Angelsnow stands firmly opposed to legalisation of any mind altering substances of any kind. We consider users, dealers and enablers of such things to be equally guilty of severe crimes. As such we stand opposed always to this and ideas like it.

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Re: [AT VOTE] On Marijuana

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Agualia
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World Assembly Resolution - "On Marijuana"

Postby Agualia » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:53 am

Agualia would like to express that it voted against this resolution.
The reasoning behind this decision is that, one, Agualia and its representatives at the World Assembly do not believe that the government should be responsible for paying reparations to those currently incriminated or incarcerated due to the breaking of laws to do with Marijuana. Furthermore, Agualia does not believe that the method of deciding the amount of legal marijuana could, in fact, work in the real world.

Despite this vote and reasoning, Agualia will keep a close eye on future Marijuana World Assembly resolutions. The legal purchase of Marijuana is a strong policy in Agualia and it will remain that way.

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Postby Gwrachbyd » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:30 am

South Reinkalistan wrote:Turnov: "As it stands, I have nothing but rejection for this bill. It's badly-written, poorly-formatted, was not sent for feedback, and overall is a terrible premise. South Reinkalistan is opposed."


we too are in agreement with South Reinkalistan, while we do not condem the use of marijuana or marijuana products used responsibly as a recreational drug we feel that this bill is badly written and thus we can not support it.

we also understand that many nations do not wish to have anything to do with drugs of any kind and this bill would force them to allow said drug into their country, maybe if you go back and re write this bill we may be convinced to vote for it but as it stands the poor wording and vagueness of it leaves it open to loopholes and abuse.

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