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Changjo
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Postby Changjo » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:01 am

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The United Federation of Changjo will not be able to support this measure in the World Assembly and has voted against the notion. It is the view of The Federation that law regarding the legality of narcotics is a sovereign decision for individual member states and that the passing of such notion would exceed the authority of the World Assembly.

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Paeonija
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Ex-Nation

Postby Paeonija » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:18 am

We believe the author of this proposal might have been under the influence of some kind of substance whilst writing this up.

It seems rather vague and strangely written, and doesn't have a place in the WA. Therefor we have voted 'against'.

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The land between the Prut and the Nistru
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Postby The land between the Prut and the Nistru » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:52 am

I am sorry for my confusion,but if a resolution like this passes,how can a nation enact it's changes?

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The land between the Prut and the Nistru
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Postby The land between the Prut and the Nistru » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:54 am

Even if a resolution like this passes,how can a nation enact it's changes?

PS:Sorry for the confusion,I am new to this.

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The land between the Prut and the Nistru
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Postby The land between the Prut and the Nistru » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:59 am

I am against this outrageous resolution!

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Serbtexas
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Ex-Nation

Postby Serbtexas » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:04 am

Citizens of my country have decided to support the resolution.

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Edalesia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Edalesia » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:50 am

Opposed. The phrasing of this is just too peculiar and my nation can not support it when there are so many potential problems.

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Potted Plants United
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Postby Potted Plants United » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:40 am

The land between the Prut and the Nistru wrote:I am sorry for my confusion,but if a resolution like this passes,how can a nation enact it's changes?

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Let's say there was a Mild strength resolution in International Security category. If your nation already has really high military spending stats, there likely won't be any effect at all. But if you're really pacifist, there might be a big change.

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Varmhjarta
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Ex-Nation

Postby Varmhjarta » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:43 am

Garialdi wrote:"The Nomadic people's of Garialdi vehemently oppose this edict. First of, the text isn't clear at all and is open to a lot of judiciary trouble. Second, we don't believe to be the World Assembly's job to interfere on all domestic matters, and every nation has the right to their sovereignty in deciding how to handle most inner affairs. This is no human rights issue, and definitely not a relevant enough matter to even be put to vote. This discussion is pointless and should not have made the counsil in the first place."


Amen :bow:

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Union of Sovereign States and Republics
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Ex-Nation

Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:17 pm

Opposed. The text is unclear, the World Assembly should not dictate on domestic and/or personal matters, and the USSR has outlawed cannabis and other recreational drugs. Calling the text a human rights issue also shows a lack of understanding of addiction.
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New France and New Spain
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Marijuana and future abortion vote?

Postby New France and New Spain » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:12 pm

I strictly oppose this resolution as it sorts to take the power of individual nations away in their right to free choice in deciding whether or not this (marijuana) would be beneficial to the nation or not. I will also strictly oppose the abortion resolution if it makes its way onto the voting stand. I ask of all nation even ones willing to legalise marijuana to oppose the resolution. As nations you can still legalise marijuana yourselves although this resolution would force nations to legalise it, same with abortion.

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Scherzinger
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Postby Scherzinger » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:48 pm

*Hiei looks up with no emotion across her face*

I'm just going to cut to the point here. There are some pieces of this bill that are blatantly egregious and potentially disgusting.

" MANDATES a full pardon shall be issued to individuals incriminated or incarcerated for marijuana and marijuana related paraphernalia;

ENSURES reparations shall be paid towards individuals incarcerated for marijuana and marijuana related paraphernalia in the form of a percentage of the prosecuting nations GDP per capita per year of incarceration"

Frankly, these are the pieces I have the biggest issue with. The writer of this resolution seems to want the GA to put dictatorial mandates in place and force each member of this assembly to relinquish their individual rights as nations. This is not what the WA is about. I am well aware that our nation has not been the bastion of WA etiquette or thoughts. That said, I don't think i am going to far out of my rights in the GA to say that the WA has no business mandating that the member nations have to quite possibly cripple their own respective economies and endorse an opinion in which they as nations may not agree with. I implore the delegation of Vhaovamer to bring this bill back after they consider and respect the individual rights of the member nations of the GA. Nations should see the GA as a guide to a better world, not as a weapon against member nations rights. Just like the writer of this proposal has no right attempting to weaponize the GA with a proposal strips the nations of this Assembly of the ability to write the laws that should dictate their nation. Like how some nations have a separation of Federal and State governments, we should remind ourselves that we have no moral or even legal right to directly involve ourselves in nations we can't pronounce the names of with people whom we've never met and problems we could never relate to.

To make this rather long winded speech short, we are against this disgusting proposal.

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Costa Diamante
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Postby Costa Diamante » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:09 pm

NOTES Section 9 of the General Assembly Resolution number 90, "Drug Trafficking Act",
"Recognises the right of nations to deny entry to vessels transporting recreational drugs."

Is this supposed to be a preambulatory statement?

HEREBY DEFINES,
Marijuana:: cannabis, a psychoactive plant used medically and recreationally,
Marijuana related paraphernalia:: any equipment, product, or accessory that is intended or modified for making, using, or concealing cannabis,

a strange definition - shall we include cannabinoid-based substances that are synthetically developed?

MANDATES a full pardon shall be issued to individuals incriminated or incarcerated for marijuana and marijuana related paraphernalia;

very strong language for a "mild" resolution on sapient rights

ENSURES reparations shall be paid towards individuals incarcerated for marijuana and marijuana related paraphernalia in the form of a percentage of the prosecuting nations GDP per capita per year of incarceration;

how? and why?

DENOTES an individual may possess and have on their person marijuana buds, concentrate marijuana, and edible marijuana, in an amount denoted by the individual's national governments and their municipalities with a minimum amount of two ounces, one half-ounce, and one-thousand milligrams, respectively;

what? this statement is confusing. Denote means to "indicate" or to "signal" - are we trying to "determine" or to "define" a certain limit? also, why are we using different units of measure? please be consistent with units.

ENACTS national governments and their municipalities to set in place programs for licensure for the national growing, buying, selling, storing, and otherwise trading of marijuana;

even more confusing. we are "enacting" a government? why not "encourage" or even "mandate", since that was one of those earlier operative statements...?

RECOGNISING a significant proportion of agreement from the population,

UNDERSTANDING this recognition does in fact warrant action,

Preambulatory clauses belong in the preamble of a resolution; moreover, these clauses do not advance the purpose or meaning of this resolution whatsoever.

DICTATES that the aforementioned shall be henceforth effective into law.

will you spell that out for us? why not "declare"? moreover, the "aforementioned" mandate into law depends upon the sovereignty of the governments that come to this body for consensus. Resolution #90 does a better job of respecting national sovereignty while also giving a proper domain to regulate the trade and distribution of controlled (psychoactive) substances.


A República Democrática da Costa Diamante, nós votamos não à atual resolução. O fraseado é inconsistente, e as intenções parecem invadir demais a soberania das nações. Devido a resoluções existentes, não vemos razão para a atual.

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Deac de Mon
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Postby Deac de Mon » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:34 pm

Richonne wrote:Marijuana users should be barred from society in tiny little rooms and never allowed out.


Agreed, so we can hot box :clap:

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Isolationstan
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Founded: Apr 25, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Isolationstan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:43 pm

As Anarchic Lord of Isolationstan I oppose this due to its lack of specification and clearness. It can easily be confused and misinterpreted for malicious intents. But also keep Marijuana legal.

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Tinhampton
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Tinhampton » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:56 pm

Isolationstan wrote:keep Marijuana legal

Since the WA has not legislated on recreational drugs, your nation may freely choose to legalise, decriminalise or outlaw recreational cannabis.
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Postby NewBerkshire » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:29 am

As my nation is an advocate for the safe use and practice of Marijuana, we were first in aggreeance with this proposal. However, after observation and lengthy deliberation of the consequences this would bring forth, we must change our vote to Against.
The main reasons for this are as follows;
- This proposal advocates for the release and pardon of those who have used Marijuana both legally, but also illegally, in which case those who did it illegally, were jailed due to it being illegal for a reason.
- This proposal advocates for the idea of oppressing nations in which find it safer to keep the use of Marijuana illegal, and forces them to change their ideals and rules, in which keep their country safer.
- This proposal was poorly written, and very unclear, which could be seen as my nation has changed its vote after thoroughly deciphering this proposals true intentions.

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Crisisville
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Ex-Nation

Postby Crisisville » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:48 am

"Legalize Weed 4/20 blaze it!"

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Postby Crisisville » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:51 am

NewBerkshire wrote:As my nation is an advocate for the safe use and practice of Marijuana, we were first in aggreeance with this proposal. However, after observation and lengthy deliberation of the consequences this would bring forth, we must change our vote to Against.
The main reasons for this are as follows;
- This proposal advocates for the release and pardon of those who have used Marijuana both legally, but also illegally, in which case those who did it illegally, were jailed due to it being illegal for a reason.
- This proposal advocates for the idea of oppressing nations in which find it safer to keep the use of Marijuana illegal, and forces them to change their ideals and rules, in which keep their country safer.
- This proposal was poorly written, and very unclear, which could be seen as my nation has changed its vote after thoroughly deciphering this proposals true intentions.


Your "country" is a disgrace to the human race! I hope you fall to the world revolution and you become nothing but a footnote in history!

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United States of Americanas
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Postby United States of Americanas » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:59 am

Oh yay another time where I get to ignore the WA!

Marijuana should be globally legalized.

Marijuana has not killed a single person. Alcohol kills far more and is brainwashed into us by television and society as something that’s acceptable.

I’ll decide what people can and can’t smoke in my country. And if they want to smoke cannabis, they can, regardless of recreational or medical status.

We do not control drugs that have little to no overdose potential.

Cannabis is little to no danger. It’s far safer than alcohol.

Obviously don’t drive and use it. If you crash from driving on alcohol you don’t say the alcohol was the cause of death, the car accident while under the influence killed. The alcohol facilitated the killing.
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Union of Sovereign States and Republics
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:55 am

United States of Americanas wrote:
Marijuana has not killed a single person.


Yeah, uh, 'bout that...
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:46 am

IC: "As with any other recreational drug, including alcohol, requiring any kind of "free for all" measure falls afoul of the general safety of children, should their parents be too drugged to care for them. Although the poorly-written proposal does not actually require us to legalize the actual drug called marijuana, its import or domestic growing, or its use, nor pay any reparations to anyone, as "marijuana" has never been cited by a judge as the reason for a fine or prison sentence - while "possession of illegal substances" has, on the other hand - it is still out of the desire to keep our society safe for all, but especially for the children, and thus our vote is cast against."

OOC: I don't think I've used the "think of the children!" argument in IC with an at-vote resolution yet, so this is me saying "hell no" and having some fun with it. :lol:

Also, no, it's not creative compliance to say the drug marijuana is not legalied. Look at the definition of "marijuana". No mention of THC content. :P It says psychoactive, but only as the description of cannabis. Most strains/subspecies of cannabis have no/nearly no THC at all. It's commonly known as "hemp", then. *noms a hemp cracker*
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Union of Sovereign States and Republics
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:19 am

Araraukar wrote:
OOC: I don't think I've used the "think of the children!" argument in IC with an at-vote resolution yet, so this is me saying "hell no" and having some fun with it. :lol:

Also, no, it's not creative compliance to say the drug marijuana is not legalied. Look at the definition of "marijuana". No mention of THC content. :P It says psychoactive, but only as the description of cannabis. Most strains/subspecies of cannabis have no/nearly no THC at all. It's commonly known as "hemp", then. *noms a hemp cracker*

OOC: Hey Georgie W, pass me another hemp cracker, bro.
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Florarosia
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Postby Florarosia » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:20 am

"While the public can easily agree on the general legalization of marijuana, we hereby are against this proposal for the same reason as many, particularly the detail absent. The implications of the enactment of this are not ideal."

The Florarosian General Assembly has decided to fall unanimously AGAINST On Marijuana, with 3,685 AGAINST and 1,315 FOR.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:12 am

United States of Americanas wrote:Oh yay another time where I get to ignore the WA!

Marijuana should be globally legalized.

Tinhampton wrote:Since the WA has not legislated on recreational drugs, your nation may freely choose to legalise, decriminalise or outlaw recreational cannabis.

*AHEM!*
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