[DEFEATED] Condemn Nations Creating Regions For SC Props (*)

[Lothric-]

obvs its gonna fail, the world assembly and security council are all about doing things just to get props without actual benefit or reason.

[Fire Taco]

What is an SC prop?

[Guaylandia]

What is an SC prop?

A region created so it can be symbolically commended or condemned in place of a certain group.

This all started with an April Fool's resolution.

[The New Sicilian State]

OOC: Out of pure curiosity, does anyone happen to know the widest margin by which a resolution at vote has been shot down?

[Wallenburg]

OOC: Out of pure curiosity, does anyone happen to know the widest margin by which a resolution at vote has been shot down?

My own records suggest Commend Northern Redlands holds that title, at 1,634​ (10.1%) for to 14,611​ (89.9%) against.

[Blood Wine]

OOC: Out of pure curiosity, does anyone happen to know the widest margin by which a resolution at vote has been shot down?

My own records suggest Commend Northern Redlands holds that title, at 1,634​ (10.1%) for to 14,611​ (89.9%) against.

I thought one of the repeal liberate CCoD was a wider margin, but that was 300 more votes at 11,3%

[ShrewLlamaLand]

OOC: Out of pure curiosity, does anyone happen to know the widest margin by which a resolution at vote has been shot down?

My own records suggest Commend Northern Redlands holds that title, at 1,634​ (10.1%) for to 14,611​ (89.9%) against.

Do you have records for "Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators", and "Repeal: Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"?

I'm fairly sure they would have been close.

[Blood Wine]

My own records suggest Commend Northern Redlands holds that title, at 1,634​ (10.1%) for to 14,611​ (89.9%) against.

Do you have records for "Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators", and "Repeal: Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"?

I'm fairly sure they would have been close.

never went to a vote
never did this
or this...
"Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators" was defeated 14,592 votes to 1,829.(11,3%)
"Repeal "Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"" was defeated 14,991 votes to 1,919.(11,3%)

so, you failed at failing hard enough to break a record

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Individual nations are voting 17% for, but Delegates are just 4.7% for and make up 62.5% of the vote.

Given most large Delegates have already voted against, and for is already at 9.5%, I don't think it finishes below 10.1%.

Do you have records for "Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators", and "Repeal: Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"?

I'm fairly sure they would have been close.

never went to a vote
never did this
or this...
"Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators" was defeated 14,592 votes to 1,829.(11,3%)
"Repeal "Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"" was defeated 14,991 votes to 1,919.(11,3%)

so, you failed at failing hard enough to break a record

It's okay, we'll give it another shot soon.

[Tinhampton]

Individual nations are voting 17% for, but Delegates are just 4.7% for and make up 62.5% of the vote.

Given most large Delegates have already voted against, and for is already at 9.5%, I don't think it finishes below 10.1%.

8th-12th January 2013: COMMEND HIPPOSTANIA
Anime Daisuki, for 10000 Islands, cast their 946 votes AGAINST <<< GRO made up 7.8% of the total vote!
McMasterdonia, for The North Pacific, cast their 428 votes AGAINST
Delegate Vinage, for Europeia, cast their 339 votes AGAINST
Milograd, for The South Pacific, cast their 241 votes AGAINST
Todd McCloud, for The East Pacific, cast their 219 votes AGAINST
Yy4u, for The West Pacific, cast their 200 votes AGAINST
Krulltopia, for The Pacific, cast their 192 votes AGAINST
Feux, for Lazarus, cast their 156 votes AGAINST
Mad Jack, for Osiris, cast their 105 votes AGAINST
Charles Cerebella, for Balder, cast their 94 votes AGAINST
Collector of Souls, for The Rejected Realms, cast their 89 votes AGAINST

The delegates of XKI, Europeia, and the GCRs made up almost one-quarter of all votes cast in total on the proposal - and all of them voted against it. So you should have expected the vote to be a walkover against giving Hippo a nice, shiny black-and-orange badge... right?

WRONG. Final result: FOR 6,122 (50.55%) --- AGAINST 5,989 (49.45%)

Superdelegates have a lot of votes, but they are not godlike figures that can literally derail any vote with success and you fully well know that... Many people in big regions vote with their delegate largely because of official vote recommendations, not because their WAD told them so. It's fully possible to get a resolution passed over the objections of GCR hyperdelegates - Kuriko's Commend Texas passed with only TEP, TSP and TRR in favour; Kenny's WA Headquarters passed despite opposition from all five feeders at a time when we only had seven GCRs - but it's also possible to have a fairly close vote despite their near-unanimous support (Commend Bachtendekuppen had the backing of every GCR bar Lazarus and it still only got 64% FOR).

Besides, Osiris and Lazarus haven't voted yet - although you have voted against...

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Individual nations are voting 17% for, but Delegates are just 4.7% for and make up 62.5% of the vote.

-snip-

Superdelegates have a lot of votes, but they are not godlike figures that can literally derail any vote with success and you fully well know that... Many people in big regions vote with their delegate largely because of official vote recommendations, not because their WAD told them so. It's fully possible to get a resolution passed over the objections of GCR hyperdelegates - Kuriko's Commend Texas passed with only TEP, TSP and TRR in favour; Kenny's WA Headquarters passed despite opposition from all five feeders at a time when we only had seven GCRs - but it's also possible to have a fairly close vote despite their near-unanimous support (Commend Bachtendekuppen had the backing of every GCR bar Lazarus and it still only got 64% FOR).

Besides, Osiris and Lazarus haven't voted yet - although you have voted against...

I don't really get why you're bringing this up here, my comment was literally just looking at current trends and stating this probably doesn't set a new record for biggest losing margin.

This proposal isn't failing because GCRs voted against it, it's failing because deserves to fail: it's a joke proposal that never should have gotten to vote, hence why I voted against. However, many otherwise deserving proposals do fail because GCRs vote against, and vice versa with unworthy proposals and GCRs voting for.

To respond to what you've written, most of your points don't really make a lot of sense:

• Commend Texas had the support of 40% of feeders, which is as close to half as you can get. I'm not really sure what you're implying?
• WA Headquarters passed twelve years ago in 2008, and feeders were much smaller proportionally
• 64% isn't close, that's almost a 30% margin

GCRs do have way too much influence, although I'm not really sure how what you've written is relevant to my response. I guess you're welcome to go and post your stats in my thread? viewtopic.php?f=15&t=482132

[Hiram Land]

As of 9am EST, the vote is 90.5% against and 9.5% for. Someone call this the most downvoted (this aint reddit ik) proposal the Security Council has ever seen!

congrats dude.

[Anisopterra]

I think I can echo the opinion of the majority when I say that I'm disappointed at the lack of effort in this proposal.

I feel that any security council proposal must meet a certain burden of evidence (i.e. a thorough explanation of the subjects actions/history and an explanation of why it is notable enough to be the subject of a proposal), and this proposal does not meet it on any level. Though there is merit to the idea of a general ban on the practice of creating regions for the express purpose of symbolically using them for condemnations, this is not the way to go about such a thing, especially because it involves using that exact practice.

My vote is firmly against this proposal.

[Davelands]

Hello there everyone!

For the record, I have been watching this thread and want to say thank you for all the amusement. Now, a little backstory...

I was chillin-with-the-villans in the Cabal server and the discussion came around to all the joke SC proposals that have been happening recently and all the dumb regions that have been created solely so that the author could have a topic to condemn or commend, instead of the intended purpose of commending or condemning a real historical region or nation.

Now, I will neither confirm or deny that adult beverages were involved, but I said something to the effect of "I'm going to whip up a joke proposal to show how stupid this all is."

The hardest part was coming up with the region name. I had the subject matter but the problem was that I kept hitting the maximum length for a region name. Nations Creating Regions For SC Props was the best I could do given the fact that I was doing this all in under 15 minutes.

As for the proposal, well, I don't understand why people have so much trouble putting a legal one together. The rules are relativly straightforward. As for formatting, there are plenty of perfectly legal proposals available to cherrypick from. So I threw a quick 5-liner out there and posted it.

After it was marked as legal, it sat for a couple of days at about 9 approvals. And I was getting frustrated at the lack of traction my joke was getting. So I realized that most of the bad proposals (and some of the good ones) all have Delegate telegrams that are sent out on their behalf. So, in keeping with the spirit of the joke, I wrote a very over-the-top one and sent it out to tag: delegates. Here it is if you missed it.

Now, if you actually read it, you would either think that it was a joke or the author really, really thinks this is an important topic. Well, it turns out that almost 80 Delegates thought the latter and approved it to send my little joke to a vote. I have to admit that I was stunned and amused that it made it into the queue. I never in a million years thought it would go to a vote. The Delegate telegram was done simply to give the joke a wider audiance.

For all the ones who are complaining that this should never have gotten to a vote, well, you're right. But don't blame me, blame the delegates who approved it. Other than a couple of people who I got into "you approve mine and I'll approve yours" agreements with, the approvals were all organic.

The rest as they say, is history. Once it got to a vote, I just had to write a campaign telegram. It's kind of expected. You all got it. Go back and read it and look for the sarcastic and over the top language. I was actually making fun of some of those campaign telegrams. I would have written a longer one, but honestly, I lacked the motivation since the joke was played out just by getting to a vote.

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I have so far received about 150 telegrams related to this "proposal". 25% got that it was a joke, 25% asked me questions like "What is SC" or "What has this region done that is so bad", and 50% are in the "it was poorly written and you are an affront to the WA" category (plus a couple of copies of Altino's great "Go Away" dispatch).

As for this thread, well, thanks for creating it. It's been great fun! To those of you who got the joke, Thanks for being smart enough to grasp the concept (whether or not you thought it was a good joke is a personal preference)! For those of you who took it 100% seriously or are all bent out of shape that this serious body should be subjected to poorly written proposals like this one; Not every proposal will be a serious one or one that has gone through the semi-official draft/rewrite/repeat-until-a-work-of-art/post procedure. This is a game. Sometimes you have to have a little fun. I don't know about you all, but my real life is stressful enough without stressing myself out further in my recreational activities.

For a total of one hour of effort and $22 in telegram stamps, it brought a week's worth of amusement. It was time and money well spent.

Thank you all!
Dave

[Justice Unlimited]

As a gena Rick native that is a member of the world Assembly, we come dim the sort of behavior and strongly rebuke the Arthur

[A mean old man]

y'gottus

[Alba and Cymru]

So, in other words, this was a huge waste of time and resources...


...for the amusement of one person.

[The Palentine]

So, in other words, this was a huge waste of time and resources...


...for the amusement of one person.

the good but unwholesome Senator from the Palentine looks up from his desk where he's been reading the April issue of Juggs magazine while drinking Wild Turkey and smoking Fine Yeldan Cigars(TM)i

"Not just one person old bean. I've been enjoying myself and chuckling like a fiend this entire debate.
Its soooo much fun watching you SC types getting your panties in a knot. I'm going to be kinda sad this debate will end soon. This is cheaper than playing Ride the Kinky Pony with Thessadorian Catgirls of loose and negotiable virtue. See you in the funny papers"

Senator Sulla gives the ambassador a smile most unwholesome and unpleasant, before going back to his reading, smoking, and drinking.

[Controlitia]

So, in other words, this was a huge waste of time and resources...


...for the amusement of one person.

Yep, a person doing it with the same logic as the raiders and those YouTube videos where they hit someone and then think "ha ha it's just a prank bro" makes it less annoying.

[Davelands]

So, in other words, this was a huge waste of time and resources...
...for the amusement of one person.

Yep, a person doing it with the same logic as the raiders and those YouTube videos where they hit someone and then think "ha ha it's just a prank bro" makes it less annoying.

Yes, yes.. I am sorry I wasted your time, this body should immediately get back to serious work!
I believe the next proposal is:

Repeal: “Condemn This Game”

Ah! There you go! Something of extreme importance!

[The New Sicilian State]

"it was poorly written and you are an affront to the WA" category"

"Yes."

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

So, in other words, this was a huge waste of time and resources...


...for the amusement of one person.

Well no, not quite. Davelands’ proposal amused the hell out of me and, no doubt, many others.

[Controlitia]

So, in other words, this was a huge waste of time and resources...
...for the amusement of one person.

Yep, a person doing it with the same logic as the raiders and those YouTube videos where they hit someone and then think "ha ha it's just a prank bro" makes it less annoying.

Yes, yes.. I am sorry I wasted your time, this body should immediately get back to serious work!
I believe the next proposal is:

Repeal: “Condemn This Game”

Ah! There you go! Something of extreme importance!

Repealing another joke proposal that shouldn't exist? I agree.

[Morover]

So, in other words, this was a huge waste of time and resources...
...for the amusement of one person.

Yep, a person doing it with the same logic as the raiders and those YouTube videos where they hit someone and then think "ha ha it's just a prank bro" makes it less annoying.

Yes, yes.. I am sorry I wasted your time, this body should immediately get back to serious work!
I believe the next proposal is:

Repeal: “Condemn This Game”

Ah! There you go! Something of extreme importance!

Incredibly serious and very important. I agree wholeheartedly. This proposal may have been my most important achievement in life (assuming it passes of course).

In all seriousness, though, I do think my initial reaction upon seeing it get to quorum was "How did this get there and mine didn't ", which was an overreaction of course. It is a funny proposal, but enough is enough. Well done on making me chuckle, though. It happens less than it should, these days.

[Scherzinger]

*Hiei von Platz, who was filling in for a bored Anzu Kadotani, adjusts her glasses. Then she nods her head in a stern and disapproving manner.*

"Remind me what this was supposed to accomplish? This waste of parchment doesn't actually say anything. I would probably have more success if i shouted this in my Regional Mail Broadcasts. At least in my speech the condemnation would have some sort of reasoning behind it. I mean, frankly, the bill content is just as poor as my vision. I sincerely recommend to the delegate of Davelands that they and other nations with little experience or training in this field refrain from presenting what I view as national rabble to the Security Council."

"I too am curious as to how this made it past the legal checks which are supposedly so meticulous and rigorous when it comes to screening and inspecting these proposals. If this is an example of how supposedly wonderful said screening is, then I think that the Davelands delegate does not bear the majority of the blame to this legislative mishap. I would think that the people who approved this as a legal parchment should have some fingers pointed in their direction."

"All that said, it brings me pleasure, albeit hollow because of how utterly useless this scrawling is, to announce that Scherzinger is fully against this bill, and that any delegate who votes for it to ask themselves if they should be in the SC at all"

*Hiei pushes her glasses back into place, somewhat annoyed, and cursing herself that she forgot her glasses tool to tighten the nosepiece.*