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Postby The New California Republic » Fri May 22, 2020 9:12 am

Slaughter none wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Where? Certainly not by yourself in any case.

Not by me but arguments have been provided which you may or may agree with.

Ones that back up your statement that "this is a useless and unnecessary peice of legislation"? I think not...
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Postby Deathfall » Fri May 22, 2020 9:50 am

Please stop spamming my telegrams with World Assembly intergovernmental drama. Nobody cares.

EDIT: Let me clarify: nobody cares that this proposal is a "joke". The words on paper protect access to abortion, and the WA Secretariat held it as legal (according to my memory). And nobody certainly cares that a few guys said some words on how we should build "'fastpass abortions,' building spa and resort 'abortionplexes,' and 'fetus banquets.'" Looking at you, United Massachusetts. This pettifogging must end here, and it must end now.

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Postby Groot » Sat May 23, 2020 7:08 am

OOC:
Kenmoria wrote:It must have dropped 5 approvals just before the deadline closed.

Yes, and this might be one reason why:
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat May 23, 2020 9:47 am

Groot wrote:OOC:
Kenmoria wrote:It must have dropped 5 approvals just before the deadline closed.

Yes, and this might be one reason why:
telegram wrote:The Ancient Baptist Republic of New Waldensia
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I'll gift you an Epic card if you remove your approval on Access to Abortion (page=UN_view_proposal/id=imperium_anglorum_1589840511)

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat May 23, 2020 9:50 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Groot wrote:OOC:

Yes, and this might be one reason why:

(OOC: If it is, that’s disappointing.)

It was also hinted at here:

Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: why on earth do you think there was no response to the bribery going on?
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Postby Codd » Sun May 24, 2020 4:33 pm

In my nation, abortion is regarded as an act of murder punishable by life imprisonment. I will not be approving it for the que.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun May 24, 2020 4:35 pm

Codd wrote:In my nation, abortion is regarded as an act of murder punishable by life imprisonment. I will not be approving it for the que.

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Postby Godular » Sun May 24, 2020 4:39 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Codd wrote:In my nation, abortion is regarded as an act of murder punishable by life imprisonment. I will not be approving it for the que.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 24, 2020 4:54 pm

Codd wrote:In my nation, abortion is regarded as an act of murder punishable by life imprisonment. I will not be approving it for the que.

If so, you are in violation of GAR #128 and #286, and therefore subject to fines and embargoes under the Administrative Compliance Act and prosecution in the courts of the World Assembly Judiciary Committee.
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Postby Slaughter None » Thu May 28, 2020 8:45 am

Deathfall wrote:EDIT: Let me clarify: nobody cares that this proposal is a "joke".

People do care and just because you don't doesn't mean others don't care as well and also it's making fun of a topic that is extremely serious and nothing to be joked about.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu May 28, 2020 9:06 am

Slaughter None wrote:
Deathfall wrote:EDIT: Let me clarify: nobody cares that this proposal is a "joke".

People do care and just because you don't doesn't mean others don't care as well and also it's making fun of a topic that is extremely serious and nothing to be joked about.

"Good for you, ambassador, but the proposal is not a joke."

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Postby Gogtopia » Thu May 28, 2020 1:50 pm

Can't see myself voting for this one... Abortion is a very broad topic and it seems like you are violating the "No ban on ideology" rule here.

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Postby Morover » Thu May 28, 2020 1:51 pm

Gogtopia wrote:Can't see myself voting for this one... Abortion is a very broad topic and it seems like you are violating the "No ban on ideology" rule here.

OOC: What ideology is this banning
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 28, 2020 2:46 pm

Gogtopia wrote:Can't see myself voting for this one... Abortion is a very broad topic and it seems like you are violating the "No ban on ideology" rule here.

...no...? Where are you getting that from?
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Postby La Xinga » Thu May 28, 2020 3:32 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Gogtopia wrote:Can't see myself voting for this one... Abortion is a very broad topic and it seems like you are violating the "No ban on ideology" rule here.

...no...? Where are you getting that from?

If Judaism is considered an ideology, possibly it's violating that?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 28, 2020 3:36 pm

La xinga wrote:
Gogtopia wrote:Can't see myself voting for this one... Abortion is a very broad topic and it seems like you are violating the "No ban on ideology" rule here.
The New California Republic wrote:...no...? Where are you getting that from?

If Judaism is considered an ideology, possibly it's violating that?

...but again it's not banning an ideology.
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Postby La Xinga » Thu May 28, 2020 3:39 pm

...but again it's not banning an ideology.[/quote]
Wallenburg wrote:
Codd wrote:In my nation, abortion is regarded as an act of murder punishable by life imprisonment. I will not be approving it for the que.

If so, you are in violation of GAR #128 and #286, and therefore subject to fines and embargoes under the Administrative Compliance Act and prosecution in the courts of the World Assembly Judiciary Committee.

OOC: Shoot it, I'm also then.
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La xinga wrote:If Judaism is considered an ideology, possibly it's violating that?


OOC: I by mistake make something wrong with the quote, srry.

IC: It better not. In all, my nation's leader says this resolution is murder.

OOC: Where is this meeting held at? Ransium? Grays harbor?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu May 28, 2020 5:14 pm

La xinga wrote:
...but again it's not banning an ideology.
Wallenburg wrote:If so, you are in violation of GAR #128 and #286, and therefore subject to fines and embargoes under the Administrative Compliance Act and prosecution in the courts of the World Assembly Judiciary Committee.

OOC: Shoot it, I'm also then.
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OOC: I by mistake make something wrong with the quote, srry.

IC: It better not. In all, my nation's leader says this resolution is murder.

OOC: Where is this meeting held at? Ransium? Grays harbor?

OOC: The WAHQ is in international territory.

Also, if you don't comply, nobody in this forum is going to pay any attention. Noncompliance is broadly considered godmodding and gets you ignored. After all, if we all play by the rules, why on earth would we accommodate somebody not playing by the rules?
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Postby Atheris » Thu May 28, 2020 5:15 pm

La xinga wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...no...? Where are you getting that from?

If Judaism is considered an ideology, possibly it's violating that?

But Judaism isn't an ideology. Are you confusing Judaism with Zionism?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu May 28, 2020 5:15 pm

Gogtopia wrote:Can't see myself voting for this one... Abortion is a very broad topic and it seems like you are violating the "No ban on ideology" rule here.

OOC: The proposal is legal. It isn't an ideological ban.

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 28, 2020 6:19 pm

Instituting policies an ideology disagrees with isn't an ideological ban.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu May 28, 2020 6:22 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
La xinga wrote:OOC: Shoot it, I'm also then.


OOC: I by mistake make something wrong with the quote, srry.

IC: It better not. In all, my nation's leader says this resolution is murder.

OOC: Where is this meeting held at? Ransium? Grays harbor?

OOC: The WAHQ is in international territory.

Also, if you don't comply, nobody in this forum is going to pay any attention. Noncompliance is broadly considered godmodding and gets you ignored. After all, if we all play by the rules, why on earth would we accommodate somebody not playing by the rules?


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Postby Godular » Thu May 28, 2020 6:33 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: The WAHQ is in international territory.

Also, if you don't comply, nobody in this forum is going to pay any attention. Noncompliance is broadly considered godmodding and gets you ignored. After all, if we all play by the rules, why on earth would we accommodate somebody not playing by the rules?


"Can we build abortionplexes outside the WAHQ? So that WA ambassadors can go and have an abortion right after a meeting, without international customs and stuff like that."


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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Fri May 29, 2020 2:48 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
La xinga wrote:OOC: Shoot it, I'm also then.


OOC: I by mistake make something wrong with the quote, srry.

IC: It better not. In all, my nation's leader says this resolution is murder.

OOC: Where is this meeting held at? Ransium? Grays harbor?

OOC: The WAHQ is in international territory.

Also, if you don't comply, nobody in this forum is going to pay any attention. Noncompliance is broadly considered godmodding and gets you ignored. After all, if we all play by the rules, why on earth would we accommodate somebody not playing by the rules?

OOC: if non-compliance is OOcly banned under the God-modding rules why are their punishments in character?
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Fri May 29, 2020 2:54 am

OOC: People say "no one cares this is a joke."
But multiple ambassadors have stated they do care.
Seems to me "no one cares" means "I don't care".
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