[PASSED] Access to Abortion

[Godular]

"Indeed! This legislation only comes into play when they DO choose..."

"I assume that since you support the right to 'choice', you also support a person's right to refuse to pay taxes to fund the murder of viable foetuses?"

"Are we still talking about abortion? We can't be talking about abortion, because it is not that."

[Stellonia]

"It would appear you do indeed misunderstand, Ambassador. The tone taken by several members of this discussion, yourself included (your quoted comments being prime examples), implies dismissal of the legitimate concerns of others to be your goal. Instead of actually addressing their concerns -- which one would think the appropriate course of action for a member of the Secretariat -- you simply reply to them in a tone that would be most politely described as condescending. For shame.

"When the opposition cites a concern that is worthy of genuine response, ambassador, I will happily do so. Effusively. Until then, all I see is arguments from a political minority that seek only to stop this, not improve it."

"Is that not a concern that is worthy of genuine response?"

"The victors are the ones who write history, regardless of whether they were right."

"I'll take it."

"We would rather be right and unsuccessful than wrong and successful."

[Godular]

"When the opposition cites a concern that is worthy of genuine response, ambassador, I will happily do so. Effusively. Until then, all I see is arguments from a political minority that seek only to stop this, not improve it."

"Is that not a concern that is worthy of genuine response?"

"I'll take it."

"We would rather be right and unsuccessful than wrong and successful."

"Might I make a suggestion? If you cannot win the game, change the objective. You seem to have cottoned onto this, in your own way. I'll be surprised if your birth control measure doesn't pass, and more surprised if it doesn't make quorum."

[Separatist Peoples]

"When the opposition cites a concern that is worthy of genuine response, ambassador, I will happily do so. Effusively. Until then, all I see is arguments from a political minority that seek only to stop this, not improve it."

"You continue to only really prove my point for me, Ambassador."

"If you cannot see the difference between addressing concerns about the draft and trying to accommodating incompatible positions, ambassador, I'm afraid I cannot be bothered to fake a cherry tone."

"When the opposition cites a concern that is worthy of genuine response, ambassador, I will happily do so. Effusively. Until then, all I see is arguments from a political minority that seek only to stop this, not improve it."

"Is that not a concern that is worthy of genuine response?"

"Accommodating incompatible positions and demands is self-defeating. There is little reason to engage in what is inevitably a tit-for-tat shouting match."

"We would rather be right and unsuccessful than wrong and successful."

Bell bows effusively, "Ambassador, I think we can accommodate your preference in this matter."

[Wallenburg]

"Indeed! This legislation only comes into play when they DO choose..."

"I assume that since you support the right to 'choice', you also support a person's right to refuse to pay taxes to fund the murder of viable foetuses?"

"Domestic tax policy is guaranteed to member states, although selectively enforcing taxes based on citizens' political beliefs probably violates WA law."

[Marxist Germany]

"I assume that since you support the right to 'choice', you also support a person's right to refuse to pay taxes to fund the murder of viable foetuses?"

"Domestic tax policy is guaranteed to member states, although selectively enforcing taxes based on citizens' political beliefs probably violates WA law."

"Under this law, people would be forced to pay taxes for abortions."

[Godular]

"Domestic tax policy is guaranteed to member states, although selectively enforcing taxes based on citizens' political beliefs probably violates WA law."

"Under this law, people would be forced to pay taxes for abortions."

"You have an issue with this?"

[Wallenburg]

"Domestic tax policy is guaranteed to member states, although selectively enforcing taxes based on citizens' political beliefs probably violates WA law."

"Under this law, people would be forced to pay taxes for abortions."

"That isn't exactly true. Member states must fund abortions, how they generate the revenue to do so is not legislated on."

[Logon]

"Under this law, people would be forced to pay taxes for abortions."

"That isn't exactly true. Member states must fund abortions, how they generate the revenue to do so is not legislated on."

You won't get a dime out of Logon.

[Godular]

"That isn't exactly true. Member states must fund abortions, how they generate the revenue to do so is not legislated on."

You won't get a dime out of Logon.

"Far as I can tell, this legislation does not require to provide any tax funding to the WA. Oh, wait, there it is. Well, I suppose there is one way to ensure you don't pay into it..."

[Fluvannia]

You won't get a dime out of Logon.

"Far as I can tell, this legislation does not require to provide any tax funding to the WA. Oh, wait, there it is. Well, I suppose there is one way to ensure you don't pay into it..."

"Ah look, more examples of ambassadors attempting to force nations out of the WA in order to increase their own power. Lovely."

[Godular]

"Far as I can tell, this legislation does not require to provide any tax funding to the WA. Oh, wait, there it is. Well, I suppose there is one way to ensure you don't pay into it..."

"Ah look, more examples of ambassadors attempting to force nations out of the WA in order to increase their own power. Lovely."

"Okay, two ways." Zodiac shrugs.

[Alraibris]

"The only one who should be paying for an Abortion should be the individual getting it or the provider if it is pro-Bono work. The Government of a nation should not be forced to pay for the Abortion of any of its citizens. The Empire is hereby opposed to this Proposal."

[Wallenburg]

"That isn't exactly true. Member states must fund abortions, how they generate the revenue to do so is not legislated on."

You won't get a dime out of Logon.

"You either get to fund it through your standard government expenditures or through the revenue stream built into this proposal."

[Aclion]

... Whats' to stop a nation funding abortion by a sales tax on abortions?

[Godular]

... Whats' to stop a nation funding abortion by a sales tax on abortions?

Zodiac makes a show of scribbling in a notebook: "Lessee... ten percent of nothing... carry the two... compound interest... yep! Still nothing!"

[Alba and Cymru]

... Whats' to stop a nation funding abortion by a sales tax on abortions?

Zodiac makes a show of scribbling in a notebook: "Lessee... ten percent of nothing... carry the two... compound interest... yep! Still nothing!"

"Our governing coalition is going to have a field day with new abortion taxes."

[Stellonia]

Zodiac makes a show of scribbling in a notebook: "Lessee... ten percent of nothing... carry the two... compound interest... yep! Still nothing!"

"Our governing coalition is going to have a field day with new abortion taxes."

"Good luck with that."

[Godular]

Zodiac makes a show of scribbling in a notebook: "Lessee... ten percent of nothing... carry the two... compound interest... yep! Still nothing!"

"Our governing coalition is going to have a field day with new abortion taxes."

"That would be a strange sport. Would you stand in the middle of a field and throw a bunch of nothing to each other? Is there a mitt for it?"

[Astrobolt]

... Whats' to stop a nation funding abortion by a sales tax on abortions?

I was under the impression that clause 3a would prevent such antics.

[Aclion]

... Whats' to stop a nation funding abortion by a sales tax on abortions?

Zodiac makes a show of scribbling in a notebook: "Lessee... ten percent of nothing... carry the two... compound interest... yep! Still nothing!"

Code: Select all

1 Abortion: $950
Subtotal: $950
Subsidy: -$950
Abortion Access Finance Act Tax: $1000
You Owe:  $1000


... Whats' to stop a nation funding abortion by a sales tax on abortions?

I was under the impression that clause 3a would prevent such antics.

Doing so would violate GAR#17

[Alba and Cymru]

"Our governing coalition is going to have a field day with new abortion taxes."

"That would be a strange sport. Would you stand in the middle of a field and throw a bunch of nothing to each other? Is there a mitt for it?"

"Ballpoint pens are our politicians' favorite thing to throw in the legislative chamber."

[Godular]

Zodiac makes a show of scribbling in a notebook: "Lessee... ten percent of nothing... carry the two... compound interest... yep! Still nothing!"

Code: Select all

1 Abortion: $950
Subtotal: $950
Subsidy: -$950
Abortion Access Finance Act Tax: $1000
You Owe:  $1000


"And then you would be in violation, ponying up additional money to ensure that said person facing that tax then didn't have to pay that tax, and you'd be dealing with twice as much paperwork for a grand total of nothing! Less, since most governments pay people to shuffle paperwork."

[Alba and Cymru]

... Whats' to stop a nation funding abortion by a sales tax on abortions?

I was under the impression that clause 3a would prevent such antics.

A slick lawyer could argue that a flat tax upon all abortions would not be discriminatory, per se.

[Godular]

I was under the impression that clause 3a would prevent such antics.

A slick lawyer could argue that a flat tax upon all abortions would not be discriminatory, per se.

"No, no, it'd be discriminatory against abortions."