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Auralia wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc:
Not what I was referencing, and I think you know that.

I understand you to be referencing your position that non-compliance roleplay is not good GA gameplay. I do not agree, and in any event I don't see how that translates to "contempt for the rules", since non-compliance roleplay is clearly not and has never been against the rules.

OOC: No, I was referencing your WA cheating to self-commend. But I was also trying really hard not to spell it out publicly.

IC: "The Confederate Dominion would like the author to clarify as to how luxurious this clinic will have to be to comply?"

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: No, I was referencing your WA cheating to self-commend. But I was also trying really hard not to spell it out publicly.

I agree I was wrong to have done that, and I have apologized for it. But it happened more than six years ago, and I have not done anything like it since. It has no relevance to this discussion, so I don't know why you brought it up.

Separatist Peoples wrote:But I was also trying really hard not to spell it out publicly.

Then why bring it up at all? Don't play games.

I'll write this off as an April Fool's joke and say "no".

Auralia wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: No, I was referencing your WA cheating to self-commend. But I was also trying really hard not to spell it out publicly.

I agree I was wrong to have done that, and I have apologized for it. But it happened more than six years ago, and I have not done anything like it since. It has no relevance to this discussion, so I don't know why you brought it up.

Separatist Peoples wrote:But I was also trying really hard not to spell it out publicly.

Then why bring it up at all? Don't play games.

OOC: Because, frankly, I don't believe that your apology was genuine, like I do not believe that your belief about noncompliance is in good faith and that your denigration of satire and perceived mockery is in good faith. I don't think that any of your actions since then have been in good faith, which is why I find it a little galling that you have the audacity to accuse anybody of toxic behavior. When you stand on a soapbox and criticize IA, I think its important for the rest of the playerbase to consider your own actions. I had hoped that a reminder would be a mild admonishment, but apparently not.

Its clearly infectious, too. It already got United Massachusetts.

Stellar Colonies wrote:I'll write this off as an April Fool's joke and say "no".

"Ambassador, the Imperium Anglorum doesn't do April Fool's Jokes."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

Stellar Colonies wrote:I'll write this off as an April Fool's joke and say "no".

"Ambassador, the Imperium Anglorum doesn't do April Fool's Jokes."

"In that case, I'll just maintain my earlier decision of "against"."

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Because, frankly, I don't believe that your apology was genuine, like I do not believe that your belief about noncompliance is in good faith and that your denigration of satire and perceived mockery is in good faith. I don't think that any of your actions since then have been in good faith, which is why I find it a little galling that you have the audacity to accuse anybody of toxic behavior. When you stand on a soapbox and criticize IA, I think its important for the rest of the playerbase to consider your own actions. I had hoped that a reminder would be a mild admonishment, but apparently not.

I no longer have any patience for this attitude. If a single -- admittedly major -- mistake six years ago for which I have since apologized repeatedly is sufficient for you to simply write me off forevermore as a fellow player, then that is your problem, not mine. I think the record clearly shows that this constant dredging up of the past has long since progressed beyond "mild admonishment" to something like targeted harassment.

If you seriously believe that my entire participation in this game for the past six years has been in bad faith, then I suggest you simply add me to your foes list, rather than continue to interact with me.

In any event, this is just whataboutism. Your mistaken perception of my motivation in calling out this toxic behaviour doesn't change the fact that it is toxic behaviour.

Auralia wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Because, frankly, I don't believe that your apology was genuine, like I do not believe that your belief about noncompliance is in good faith and that your denigration of satire and perceived mockery is in good faith. I don't think that any of your actions since then have been in good faith, which is why I find it a little galling that you have the audacity to accuse anybody of toxic behavior. When you stand on a soapbox and criticize IA, I think its important for the rest of the playerbase to consider your own actions. I had hoped that a reminder would be a mild admonishment, but apparently not.

I no longer have any patience for this attitude. If a single -- admittedly major -- mistake six years ago for which I have since apologized repeatedly is sufficient for you to simply write me off forevermore as a fellow player, then that is your problem, not mine. I think the record clearly shows that this has long since progressed beyond "mild admonishment" to something like targeted harassment.

If you seriously believe that my entire participation in this game for the past six years has been in bad faith, then I suggest you simply add me to your foes list, rather than continue to interact with me.

In any event, this is just whataboutism. Your mistaken perception of my motivation in calling out this toxic behaviour doesn't change the fact that it is toxic behaviour.

OOC: I will take your suggestion under all the advisement it is due. I said my bit for the voters to see.

The Imperial Chiefdom wonders whether the Abortionplex must be a singular entity, or whether satellite Abortionplexes could be constructed in national territories under the auspices of this proposal. In any case, we are pleased to see nations working to improve access to routine medical procedures to the citizenry of World Assembly nations.

Karl Valund
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval

In the event that such a ludicrous bill were to pass, the Holy Kingdom of Tarsonis will not comply with the transportation clause. Given Tarsonis exists off world and, coupled with the fact that the journey to the Sol System from the Krupulu sector takes roughly 18 months, providing such transportation would be frivolous. Oh and of course the obligatory "opposed." Good day, and end hologram.

Yucky

Tarsonis wrote:In the event that such a ludicrous bill were to pass, the Holy Kingdom of Tarsonis will not comply with the transportation clause. Given Tarsonis exists off world and, coupled with the fact that the journey to the Sol System from the Krupulu sector takes roughly 18 months, providing such transportation would be frivolous. Oh and of course the obligatory "opposed." Good day, and end hologram.

“I assume that the abortionplex would be connected with teleports or some other futuristic technology. Otherwise, most member nations would have no way to travel there.”

Tarsonis wrote:In the event that such a ludicrous bill were to pass, the Holy Kingdom of Tarsonis will not comply with the transportation clause. Given Tarsonis exists off world and, coupled with the fact that the journey to the Sol System from the Krupulu sector takes roughly 18 months, providing such transportation would be frivolous. Oh and of course the obligatory "opposed." Good day, and end hologram.

"I am unsure why the World Assembly is benefitted by considering the opinions of those who refuse to comply with her laws. Moreover, I am unsure why the proposing delegation would be swayed by what amounts to emotional blackmail."

Imperium Anglorum wrote:(2) binding precedent says no

OOC: At GenSec: Not that I told you so, but I so totally told you so...

More generally, doesn't the mandating nation state's internal taxation bit near the end contradict the one that says WA can't meddle with it?

Other than that, LOL at the whole concept, eyeroll at actually submitting it and while I do defend the right to have an abortion for whatever reason, this is going at it entirely wrong way around. Nations should be mandated to provide healthcare services, not send their people away for luxury holidays to get treated at their cost. So likely will vote against because in IC Araraukar doesn't trust the level of healthcare to be up to par elsewhere.

Imperium Anglorum wrote:

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Abortionplexes for All
Category: Healthcare | Area of Effect: Healthcare

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Whereas poor people currently lack the financial means to acquire medical procedures that they may desire:

And whereas this is a great evil, especially when they are not able to do so in luxurious conditions which include coffee shops, nightclubs, restaurants, boutique shops, theatres, and a spa, among other things:

This august World Assembly enacts as follows:

1. There shall be established a World Assembly Abortionplex, which shall be a gargantuan and luxurious facility funded by contributions assessed from national subscribers to Premium Club Express in proportion with that subscriber's use of the facility, which shall offer quick, easy, and safe abortions to any willing recipient. All member nations are required to join Premium Club Express and may not leave unless permitted by previous World Assembly legislation. Non-member nations may, for a small fee, opt in to Premium Club Express.
   
   
2. Member nations must arrange travel, at their own expense, for any person and a partner of their choice expressing a bona fide desire to travel to the World Assembly Abortionplex to undergo any medical procedure or receive any care offered by the same. No limitations whatsoever may be placed by any member nation on a person's ability to travel to the World Assembly Abortionplex.
   
   
3. The World Assembly Abortionplex shall also provide other reproductive health services, including but not limited to free contraceptives shipped to any address serviceable by post within a member nation, free care and counselling for expectant parents, and free childcare starter kits.
   
   
4. Space shall be made within the Abortionplex complex for coffee shops, wine stores, nightclubs, restaurants, a casino with myriad games of chance, boutique shops, theatres, adoption centres for house cats and canines, and spas of the highest quality. An international airport near the location of the World Assembly Abortionplex, along with the required security staff for the entire complex, shall be acquired to handle the visitors. Leasing fees for stores and other establishments shall be remitted to the World Assembly Abortionplex to support expansion of its mission.
   
   
5. The World Assembly Abortionplex shall be built on land donated by a member nation for the purpose, and the member nation doing so shall sign to the World Assembly Abortionplex a 99 year renewable lease in which (a) no direct tax or (b) indirect tax in excess of one per cent may be collected.
   
   
   1. That member nation must also charter a not-for-profit corporation under its laws, which shall be treated no different from any other such corporation, with its equity capital to come from the World Assembly Abortionplex.
      
      
   2. That not-for-profit corporation shall be granted in the aforementioned lease, a non-negotiable option to assume, upon the disestablishment of the World Assembly Abortionplex, operation, assets, and liabilities of the World Assembly Abortionplex. It shall also be a party to the lease aforementioned.

from King Andru Sxrifa II: "This is a chaotic mockery of our great Assembly!"

Zpuppet1 wrote:

Imperium Anglorum wrote:

(Image)
Abortionplexes for All
Category: Healthcare | Area of Effect: Healthcare

---

Whereas poor people currently lack the financial means to acquire medical procedures that they may desire:

And whereas this is a great evil, especially when they are not able to do so in luxurious conditions which include coffee shops, nightclubs, restaurants, boutique shops, theatres, and a spa, among other things:

This august World Assembly enacts as follows:

1. There shall be established a World Assembly Abortionplex, which shall be a gargantuan and luxurious facility funded by contributions assessed from national subscribers to Premium Club Express in proportion with that subscriber's use of the facility, which shall offer quick, easy, and safe abortions to any willing recipient. All member nations are required to join Premium Club Express and may not leave unless permitted by previous World Assembly legislation. Non-member nations may, for a small fee, opt in to Premium Club Express.
   
   
2. Member nations must arrange travel, at their own expense, for any person and a partner of their choice expressing a bona fide desire to travel to the World Assembly Abortionplex to undergo any medical procedure or receive any care offered by the same. No limitations whatsoever may be placed by any member nation on a person's ability to travel to the World Assembly Abortionplex.
   
   
3. The World Assembly Abortionplex shall also provide other reproductive health services, including but not limited to free contraceptives shipped to any address serviceable by post within a member nation, free care and counselling for expectant parents, and free childcare starter kits.
   
   
4. Space shall be made within the Abortionplex complex for coffee shops, wine stores, nightclubs, restaurants, a casino with myriad games of chance, boutique shops, theatres, adoption centres for house cats and canines, and spas of the highest quality. An international airport near the location of the World Assembly Abortionplex, along with the required security staff for the entire complex, shall be acquired to handle the visitors. Leasing fees for stores and other establishments shall be remitted to the World Assembly Abortionplex to support expansion of its mission.
   
   
5. The World Assembly Abortionplex shall be built on land donated by a member nation for the purpose, and the member nation doing so shall sign to the World Assembly Abortionplex a 99 year renewable lease in which (a) no direct tax or (b) indirect tax in excess of one per cent may be collected.
   
   
   1. That member nation must also charter a not-for-profit corporation under its laws, which shall be treated no different from any other such corporation, with its equity capital to come from the World Assembly Abortionplex.
      
      
   2. That not-for-profit corporation shall be granted in the aforementioned lease, a non-negotiable option to assume, upon the disestablishment of the World Assembly Abortionplex, operation, assets, and liabilities of the World Assembly Abortionplex. It shall also be a party to the lease aforementioned.

from King Andru Sxrifa II: "This is a chaotic mockery of our great Assembly!"

You don't need to quote the entire OP to respond to it. People will know what you are referring to. Just saying...

I oppose.

Kenmoria wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:In the event that such a ludicrous bill were to pass, the Holy Kingdom of Tarsonis will not comply with the transportation clause. Given Tarsonis exists off world and, coupled with the fact that the journey to the Sol System from the Krupulu sector takes roughly 18 months, providing such transportation would be frivolous. Oh and of course the obligatory "opposed." Good day, and end hologram.

“I assume that the abortionplex would be connected with teleports or some other futuristic technology. Otherwise, most member nations would have no way to travel there.”

"Teleportation technology is outlawed in Tarsonis on religious grounds. Nice try though."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:In the event that such a ludicrous bill were to pass, the Holy Kingdom of Tarsonis will not comply with the transportation clause. Given Tarsonis exists off world and, coupled with the fact that the journey to the Sol System from the Krupulu sector takes roughly 18 months, providing such transportation would be frivolous. Oh and of course the obligatory "opposed." Good day, and end hologram.

"I am unsure why the World Assembly is benefitted by considering the opinions of those who refuse to comply with her laws. Moreover, I am unsure why the proposing delegation would be swayed by what amounts to emotional blackmail."

"Oh this wasn't meant to sway. Theres no reasoning with baby killers such as yourself. This merely a polite announcement."

"Alright, looks like we'll have to shuffle our WA seat to some other regiment...hm. I wonder which one we should declare independent..."

Tarsonis wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"I am unsure why the World Assembly is benefitted by considering the opinions of those who refuse to comply with her laws. Moreover, I am unsure why the proposing delegation would be swayed by what amounts to emotional blackmail."

"Oh this wasn't meant to sway. Theres no reasoning with baby killers such as yourself. This merely a polite announcement."

"We kill more than babies, don't leave out the adults that try to cross illegally into our territory!

"I'm not sure what the point of the announcement was if not to convince. The noncompliant don't command much attention here anyway."

Full support for this, just because the reactions to it from those who think they can just say "nope not complying" and have that be a thing will be funny when they waste 6 months trying to repeal this.

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Full support for this, just because the reactions to it from those who think they can just say "nope not complying" and have that be a thing will be funny when they waste 6 months trying to repeal this.

Seeing this on the books in and of itself would be worth it.

I'll be sad if this doesn't make quorum :(

Zpuppet1 wrote:from King Andru Sxrifa II: "This is a chaotic mockery of our great Assembly!"

"I am Groot," nods Groot in agreement... as he approves the submitted draft.