NATION

PASSWORD

[PASSED] Access to Abortion

A carefully preserved record of the most notable World Assembly debates.

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Imperium Anglorum
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 12659
Founded: Aug 26, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:00 am

The General Assembly resolution Access to Abortion was passed 12,266 votes to 4,936, and implemented in all WA member nations.

My thanks to those who supported the proposal and especially to those who assisted in getting the resolution to vote and in defending against the opposing force operations, led by United Massachusetts, to prevent it from getting to vote. I hope that this resolution can close the book on the Reproductive Freedoms repeals that Marxist Germany continued, if not by showing the political situation with greater clarity, then at least by giving a larger and juicier target.

As to costs.

First, "whatever money is saved by refusing to fund abortions will be spent many times over in paying maternity care and childbirth expenses and supporting the children of indigent mothers". Committee to Defend Reprod Rights v Myers, 625 P2d 779, 794 (Cal 1981).

Second, we have an empirical basis on which to make such a determination. Virtually all abortions in Canada are paid for by taxpayers. Pro-life groups in Canada – a upwardly biased source if any – estimate that abortions cost Canadian taxpayers between 80 and 100 million Canadian dollars per year. Canada's Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council, on the other hand, drips away some 398 million in money supporting researchers and 472 million, spending 873 million Canadian dollars in 2018–9 alone. Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council, "Departmental Results Report 2018–19" (2019) https://www.sshrc-crsh.gc.ca/about-au_s ... m-eng.aspx.

I remember that United Massachusetts expressed his greatest support for Wondress' resolution – going so far to stack voting on the Annual Review vote in favour of it – which created an open-ended expenditure of GAO funds for projects done by "constituent nations and non profit organisations within them to accomplish ... in part" which "further the research and development in various areas of the humanities nationally" or "support university degree programs that fall within the definition of the humanities". No limitations are in that resolution as to whether requests for funding are in good faith. No limitations are there which constrain expenditures only to projects which are limited to helping the humanities specifically. No limitations are given to duration. No directions are given to the committee on how to choose projects to ensure that only worthy projects are funded.

If UM's complaints about cost, are legitimate ones about World Assembly spending and the size of assessments, then he should look first in his own house.
That said, UM et al assert they will not pay into the funds anyway. This is a surprising position for a deficit hawk to hold. Surely, World Assembly assessments per nation would increase if some nations attempt to dodge GA 17's assessments. Nevertheless, I am unconvinced that UM's tax dodging holds water: the General Fund does not assess with a breakdown that would allow members to pick and choose which programmes they wish to fund.

Author: 1 SC and 56+ GA resolutions
Maintainer: GA Passed Resolutions
Developer: Communiqué and InfoEurope
GenSec (24 Dec 2021 –); posts not official unless so indicated
Delegate for Europe
Elsie Mortimer Wellesley
Ideological Bulwark 285, WALL delegate
Twice-commended toxic villainous globalist kittehs

User avatar
Alcala-Cordel
Senator
 
Posts: 4406
Founded: Dec 16, 2019
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:07 am

Alcala-Cordel would like to take this opportunity to remind people looking for more such freedoms that our borders are completely open. No state, institution, or individual will stop you here. We understand that a clump of cells is not a human being until it becomes conscious, and we support your choice to abort these cells.
Last edited by Alcala-Cordel on Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:13 am, edited 1 time in total.
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA

User avatar
Christian Democrats
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10093
Founded: Jul 29, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:09 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:First, "whatever money is saved by refusing to fund abortions will be spent many times over in paying maternity care and childbirth expenses and supporting the children of indigent mothers". Committee to Defend Reprod Rights v Myers, 625 P2d 779, 794 (Cal 1981).

Why fund maternity care, childcare, education, and social services for indigent children when you can just kill them, right?

:roll:
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

User avatar
Staypuftonia
Attaché
 
Posts: 77
Founded: Feb 15, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Staypuftonia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:12 am

True words spoken!


How would abortion help anyone in any way? You must be delusional to think abortion should be legal.

We should all leave the WA.
Last edited by Staypuftonia on Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:14 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Wallenburg
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22872
Founded: Jan 30, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:18 am

Staypuftonia wrote:True words spoken!


How would abortion help anyone in any way? You must be delusional to think abortion should be legal.

We should all leave the WA.

If this one policy issue is too important to you to remain in the WA, you should not have joined. Abortion on demand has been made legal in the WA for years.
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

King of Snark, Real Piece of Work, Metabolizer of Oxygen, Old Man from The East Pacific, by the Malevolence of Her Infinite Terribleness Catherine Gratwick the Sole and True Claimant to the Bears Armed Vacancy, Protector of the Realm

User avatar
Honeydewistania
Senator
 
Posts: 3875
Founded: Jun 09, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:20 am

Staypuftonia wrote:True words spoken!


How would abortion help anyone in any way? You must be delusional to think abortion should be legal.

We should all leave the WA.

"Good riddance. We don’t need any of your folk around here."
Home of the first best pizza topping known to NationStates | Prolific Security Council Author (15x resolutions written) | Not that one fraud, Pineappleistania(ew) | Mouthpiece for Melons' first-rate SC takes | read this please

Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass

User avatar
Shazbotdom
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11125
Founded: Sep 28, 2004
Anarchy

Postby Shazbotdom » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:34 am

Staypuftonia wrote:True words spoken!


How would abortion help anyone in any way? You must be delusional to think abortion should be legal.

We should all leave the WA.


"As was said previously, Ambassador, Don't let the Door hit you where the Good Lord split you," Antoine says as he waves his hand at the Ambassador from Staybuftonia dismissively.
Last edited by Shazbotdom on Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
ShazWeb || IIWiki || Discord: shazbertbot || 1 x NFL Picks League Champion (2021)
CosmoCast || SISA || CCD || CrawDaddy || SCIA || COPEC || Boudreaux's || CLS || SNC || ShazAir || BHC || TWO
NHL: NYR 1 - 0 WSH | COL 0 - 1 WPG | VGK 0 - 0 DAL || NBA: NOLA (8) 0 - 1 OKC (1)
NCAA MBB: Tulane 22-18 | LSU 25-16 || NCAA WSB: LSU 35-10

User avatar
Alcala-Cordel
Senator
 
Posts: 4406
Founded: Dec 16, 2019
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:51 am

Staypuftonia wrote:We should all leave the WA.

Ok bye
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA

User avatar
The Land of the Ephyral
Diplomat
 
Posts: 798
Founded: Jun 03, 2016
Democratic Socialists

Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:58 am

Good to finally have conclusive proof that the WA has zero respect for national sovereignty.

Why don't you just abolish individual nations?

User avatar
Shazbotdom
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11125
Founded: Sep 28, 2004
Anarchy

Postby Shazbotdom » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:06 am

The Land of the Ephyral wrote:Good to finally have conclusive proof that the WA has zero respect for national sovereignty.

Why don't you just abolish individual nations?


Antoine rolls his eyes, "You could always resign, Ambassador snowflake."
ShazWeb || IIWiki || Discord: shazbertbot || 1 x NFL Picks League Champion (2021)
CosmoCast || SISA || CCD || CrawDaddy || SCIA || COPEC || Boudreaux's || CLS || SNC || ShazAir || BHC || TWO
NHL: NYR 1 - 0 WSH | COL 0 - 1 WPG | VGK 0 - 0 DAL || NBA: NOLA (8) 0 - 1 OKC (1)
NCAA MBB: Tulane 22-18 | LSU 25-16 || NCAA WSB: LSU 35-10

User avatar
Attempted Socialism
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1681
Founded: Feb 21, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:08 am

"This is indeed a cause for celebration. Drinks on me for all pro-choice ambassadors!"


Represented in the World Assembly by Ambassador Robert Mortimer Pride, called The Regicide
Assume OOC unless otherwise indicated. My WA Authorship.
Cui Bono, quod seipsos custodes custodiunt?
Bobberino: "The academic tone shines through."
Who am I in real life, my opinions and notes
My NS career

User avatar
Honeydewistania
Senator
 
Posts: 3875
Founded: Jun 09, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:11 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:"This is indeed a cause for celebration. Drinks on me for all pro-choice ambassadors!"

"The large wallet pro-choice ambassadors shall have the finest champagne, while the non compliant ambassadors bear the brunt of their fines by begging outside the bar for just a drip of alcohol. Truly heaven."
Home of the first best pizza topping known to NationStates | Prolific Security Council Author (15x resolutions written) | Not that one fraud, Pineappleistania(ew) | Mouthpiece for Melons' first-rate SC takes | read this please

Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass

User avatar
Attempted Socialism
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1681
Founded: Feb 21, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:22 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:"This is indeed a cause for celebration. Drinks on me for all pro-choice ambassadors!"

"The large wallet pro-choice ambassadors shall have the finest champagne, while the non compliant ambassadors bear the brunt of their fines by begging outside the bar for just a drip of alcohol. Truly heaven."

"Indeed! When I was assigned to this post it had a quite substantial expense account for alcohol that I have been unwilling to use before now. I have sent my staff out to requisition the best of socialist spirits, bourgeois champagne, decadent port wine, red, white and rosé to supply the entirety of the Ivory Tower and enough good, proletarian beer to drown a field army."


Represented in the World Assembly by Ambassador Robert Mortimer Pride, called The Regicide
Assume OOC unless otherwise indicated. My WA Authorship.
Cui Bono, quod seipsos custodes custodiunt?
Bobberino: "The academic tone shines through."
Who am I in real life, my opinions and notes
My NS career

User avatar
Kenmoria
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 7914
Founded: Jul 03, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:07 am

The Land of the Ephyral wrote:Good to finally have conclusive proof that the WA has zero respect for national sovereignty.

Why don't you just abolish individual nations?

“Some issues are better handled by individual nations. This is not one of them, since the concept of abortion remains universal across member states. National Sovereignty has always been given up by member states upon their joining, otherwise the GA wouldn’t be able to pass any legislation at all.

And now, if you don’t mind, I would like to accept the ambassador from Attempted Socialism’s offer of a drink. I think we all need one to cool down after all the hot air that’s been spilled.”
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

User avatar
Grenartia
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44623
Founded: Feb 14, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:00 am

Christian Democrats wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:First, "whatever money is saved by refusing to fund abortions will be spent many times over in paying maternity care and childbirth expenses and supporting the children of indigent mothers". Committee to Defend Reprod Rights v Myers, 625 P2d 779, 794 (Cal 1981).

Why fund maternity care, childcare, education, and social services for indigent children when you can just kill them, right?

:roll:


A fetus is not a child. A child has been born, a fetus, by definition, has not.
Lib-left. Antifascist, antitankie, anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist (including the imperialism of non-western countries). Christian (Unitarian Universalist). Background in physics.
Mostly a girl. She or they pronouns, please. Unrepentant transbian.
Reject tradition, embrace modernity.
People who call themselves based NEVER are.
The truth about kids transitioning.

User avatar
La Xinga
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5561
Founded: Jul 12, 2019
Father Knows Best State

Postby La Xinga » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:34 am

Staypuftonia wrote:True words spoken!


How would abortion help anyone in any way? You must be delusional to think abortion should be legal.

We should all leave the WA.

"There's loopholes in every resolution, and the only way you could stop that is by making legislation that's unenforceable, non-WA ambassador."
Food Discussion Thread (II)
I use NS stats if I like them.

-My RMB Quotebook!-
-When the SCOTUS is sus-
"[L]aw, without equity, though hard and disagreeable, is much more desirable for the public good, than equity without law;
which would make every judge a legislator, and introduce most infinite confusion.
"

User avatar
La Xinga
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5561
Founded: Jul 12, 2019
Father Knows Best State

Postby La Xinga » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:37 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote: That said, UM et al assert they will not pay into the funds anyway. This is a surprising position for a deficit hawk to hold. Surely, World Assembly assessments per nation would increase if some nations attempt to dodge GA 17's assessments. Nevertheless, I am unconvinced that UM's tax dodging holds water: the General Fund does not assess with a breakdown that would allow members to pick and choose which programmes they wish to fund.

OOC: I think UM meant that he'll just pay the money minus the amount to go to this abortion thingy.
Food Discussion Thread (II)
I use NS stats if I like them.

-My RMB Quotebook!-
-When the SCOTUS is sus-
"[L]aw, without equity, though hard and disagreeable, is much more desirable for the public good, than equity without law;
which would make every judge a legislator, and introduce most infinite confusion.
"

User avatar
Araraukar
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15899
Founded: May 14, 2007
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:49 am

Christian Democrats wrote:Ambassador, our government does not advocate violence. We support nonviolent direct action: mass demonstrations, blockades, sit-ins. National governments should respect the right of the people to engage in such action, upholding human dignity and human rights.

OOC: Then this isn't the resolution you want to picket at, but one of the earlier ones.
- ambassador miss Janis Leveret
Araraukar's RP reality is Modern Tech solarpunk. In IC in the WA.
Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:49 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The General Assembly resolution Access to Abortion was passed 12,266 votes to 4,936, and implemented in all WA member nations.

My thanks to those who supported the proposal and especially to those who assisted in getting the resolution to vote and in defending against the opposing force operations, led by United Massachusetts, to prevent it from getting to vote. I hope that this resolution can close the book on the Reproductive Freedoms repeals that Marxist Germany continued, if not by showing the political situation with greater clarity, then at least by giving a larger and juicier target.

Congratulations! Yet another Resolution that the pro-life crowd would need to repeal if they want their way. Keep throwing down those lego pieces in front of them. :clap:
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Flying Eagles
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 197
Founded: Nov 04, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Flying Eagles » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:20 am

While we are disappointed that this resolution includes unlimited abortions of already viable fetuses, we will instead focus our efforts on socioeconomic supports for families to hopefully make abortion less necessary in these cases. We will also focus on presenting alternative solutions to these families, such as adoption.
XKI TITO Field Commander

User avatar
Stellar Colonies
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6430
Founded: Mar 27, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:26 am

Now that one medical practice has been defended against religion on the grounds of bodily autonomy, let us go further and enact restrictions on another medical practice which is backed by religion in order to defend the bodily autonomy of those affected by it.

"For the ambassadars coming into the chamber to rail against abortion, I would like to remind them before they begin that abortion was already legal in their nations, assuming they fully comply with WA resolutions. This merely reinforces the current status quo as opposed to changing it."
Last edited by Stellar Colonies on Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.

The Confederacy & the WA.

Add 1200 years.

User avatar
Araraukar
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15899
Founded: May 14, 2007
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:27 am

Flying Eagles wrote:While we are disappointed that this resolution includes unlimited abortions of already viable fetuses

OOC: THAT particular boat sailed years and over 200 resolutions ago.
- ambassador miss Janis Leveret
Araraukar's RP reality is Modern Tech solarpunk. In IC in the WA.
Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.

User avatar
Auze
Minister
 
Posts: 2076
Founded: Oct 31, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Auze » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:43 am

"We thank you for this, we were worried about running out of resolutions that we could blatantly ignore in order to maintain our pariah state status. We would like to invite the delegate from Imperium Anglorum to accept an award for this action."
Hello, I'm an Latter-day Saint kid from South Carolina!
In case you're wondering, it's pronounced ['ɑ.ziː].
My political views are best described as "incoherent"

Anyway, how about a game?
[spoiler=Views I guess]RIP LWDT & RWDT. Y'all did not go gentle into that good night.
In general I am a Centrist

I disown most of my previous posts (with a few exceptions)

User avatar
Godular
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 13083
Founded: Sep 09, 2004
New York Times Democracy

Postby Godular » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:47 am

Auze wrote:"We thank you for this, we were worried about running out of resolutions that we could blatantly ignore in order to maintain our pariah state status. We would like to invite the delegate from Imperium Anglorum to accept an award for this action."


“I’m certain with the funds provided by you due to the fines and sanctions that we could afford a substantial and non-ironic awards ceremony, were we ever to be inclined in that direction.”
Now the moderation team really IS Godmoding.
Step 1: One-Stop Rules Shop. Step 2: ctrl+f. Step 3: Type in what you saw in modbox. Step 4: Don't do it again.
New to F7? Click here!


User avatar
Auze
Minister
 
Posts: 2076
Founded: Oct 31, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Auze » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:54 am

Godular wrote:
Auze wrote:"We thank you for this, we were worried about running out of resolutions that we could blatantly ignore in order to maintain our pariah state status. We would like to invite the delegate from Imperium Anglorum to accept an award for this action."


“I’m certain with the funds provided by you due to the fines and sanctions that we could afford a substantial and non-ironic awards ceremony, were we ever to be inclined in that direction.”

"I assure you that you will find the value of the the quantity of turnips more than sufficient."
Hello, I'm an Latter-day Saint kid from South Carolina!
In case you're wondering, it's pronounced ['ɑ.ziː].
My political views are best described as "incoherent"

Anyway, how about a game?
[spoiler=Views I guess]RIP LWDT & RWDT. Y'all did not go gentle into that good night.
In general I am a Centrist

I disown most of my previous posts (with a few exceptions)

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to WA Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads