[PASSED] Access to Abortion

[Godular]

OOC: You would do very well not insulting the victims of enemies of mankind.

Neither sides mean bad in all this, believe me.

Both are going for what values they deem to be right and just, and power to them.

Suggesting they inherently mean otherwise is true and proper sophistry, if to use Picairn's vocabulary. As much as we may disagree, civil discussion is key to what builds progress. It cannot exist, though, if it is forgotten that we are humans who debate this (for and against). To suggest anybody here means ill will or to lie before us, is simply not true 9 times out of 10.

New Jewlan, from what I can observe, is certainly within that 9.

I'm presuming this is still OOC, as I REALLY wanted to make a comment about giant bats and sentient manatees...

[Riverpost]

OOC: Comparing the cessation of life support to a being who feels, thinks and does nothing to gassing Jews is not good faith.

Any person who makes his or her or their judgement on the premise of a short statement clearly in the values of what the poster believes is right and just (as for many), is not in bad faith.

If he is in bad faith, so are all the rest of us. I take it you would not reckon that?

[Gullyslanarmaing]

I, for one, am against the murder of the unborn. A woman says that a baby is her property; slave traders treated slaves the same way, and Jews were treated the same way by the Nazis.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkROwZVWUAA ... ame=medium

"Ambassador, it's interesting you say that when your nation has legalised slavery."

Edit: Ignore this, thought he was speaking ICly.

[Riverpost]

Neither sides mean bad in all this, believe me.

Both are going for what values they deem to be right and just, and power to them.

Suggesting they inherently mean otherwise is true and proper sophistry, if to use Picairn's vocabulary. As much as we may disagree, civil discussion is key to what builds progress. It cannot exist, though, if it is forgotten that we are humans who debate this (for and against). To suggest anybody here means ill will or to lie before us, is simply not true 9 times out of 10.

New Jewlan, from what I can observe, is certainly within that 9.

I'm presuming this is still OOC, as I REALLY wanted to make a comment about giant bats and sentient manatees...

Eh, blast away. Main thing to take away is that most regular people do not come with an intent to do bad or a wrong. It's not in human nature, just the varying interpretations of it.

Those are only my 2 cents, though. Please, carry on.

[Riverpost]

I, for one, am against the murder of the unborn. A woman says that a baby is her property; slave traders treated slaves the same way, and Jews were treated the same way by the Nazis.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkROwZVWUAA ... ame=medium

"Ambassador, it's interesting you say that when your nation has legalised slavery."

(IC is different from OOC. Don't mix them. Besides, are the psychotic dictatorships here really lead by madmen? Almost certainly not.)

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

(I, for one, can see the connection he makes quite clearly. Knowing family who were affected by the Holocaust, I can strongly state that there's no insult in his statement. If anything, it brings attention to those horrific events, and allows questions into how this issue can compare in some ways to it.)

Any person who makes his or her or their judgement on the premise of a short statement clearly in the values of what the poster believes is right and just (as for many), is not in bad faith.

If he is in bad faith, so are all the rest of us. I take it you would not reckon that?

OOC: If Buddhists are personally opposed to the trampling ants underfoot it's very well laudable. However we are not about to mandate that we ban the inadvertent killing of tiny arthropods on the pain of execution, or compare such activities to genocide.

[Godular]

OOC: Comparing the cessation of life support to a being who feels, thinks and does nothing to gassing Jews is not good faith.

Any person who makes his or her or their judgement on the premise of a short statement clearly in the values of what the poster believes is right and just (as for many), is not in bad faith.

If he is in bad faith, so are all the rest of us. I take it you would not reckon that?

Technically, in the WA, our first response to somebody bringing up Nazis would be 'What the hell is a Nazi?'

[Riverpost]

(I, for one, can see the connection he makes quite clearly. Knowing family who were affected by the Holocaust, I can strongly state that there's no insult in his statement. If anything, it brings attention to those horrific events, and allows questions into how this issue can compare in some ways to it.)

Any person who makes his or her or their judgement on the premise of a short statement clearly in the values of what the poster believes is right and just (as for many), is not in bad faith.

If he is in bad faith, so are all the rest of us. I take it you would not reckon that?

OOC: If Buddhists are personally opposed to the trampling ants underfoot it's very well laudable. However we are not about to mandate that we ban the inadvertent killing of tiny arthropods on the pain of execution, or compare such activities to genocide.

OOC: So you believe that stating one's honest and proper opinion, well, is a wrong? It is not that of one, but something of many. Their interest and care is genuine, and notably, I'd take little ire to judging on such little. Unless I am mistaken, will you speak for Buddhists without knowing them? No different than I should not speak for you, or you should not speak for me? Though the internet is a naturally limited thing, there are aspects we can pick to sympathize for the same way that we can understand yet respectfully vary on the Buddhist position you've stated in which they oppose the deaths of tiny arthropods. I think not that many would disagree, but for that matter the most of us would take little bother to it. Even so, I imagine the most of us are not particularly pleased by petite things crawling about or near us.

I apologize for skimming over your counter, but I am in no position or knowing to get into a major discussion on that. As I've stated, the only thing I seek to push is not "this or that", y'all have said that 5000 times, but that any democratic input is not inherently of ill will.

[Riverpost]

Any person who makes his or her or their judgement on the premise of a short statement clearly in the values of what the poster believes is right and just (as for many), is not in bad faith.

If he is in bad faith, so are all the rest of us. I take it you would not reckon that?

Technically, in the WA, our first response to somebody bringing up Nazis would be 'What the hell is a Nazi?'

True, but I presume the nation made it in OOC. We might as well entertain it, since we challenged the economic portion of this for so long.

[Ardiveds]

Any person who makes his or her or their judgement on the premise of a short statement clearly in the values of what the poster believes is right and just (as for many), is not in bad faith.

If he is in bad faith, so are all the rest of us. I take it you would not reckon that?

Technically, in the WA, our first response to somebody bringing up Nazis would be 'What the hell is a Nazi?'

"We tried to find out. Apparently, it was a cult led by a short comedian with a funny moustache who killed people. We couldn't find out why he killed people, probably had something to do with his moustache."

[New Jewlan]

Dear Riverpost, thank you for your well-balanced answer, and for believing the best of me. You are correct in asserting that I bear no ill will towards said groups, rather, as you said, "it brings attention to those horrific events, and allows questions into how this issue can compare in some ways to it.".

Best Regards,
N. J. :-)

[Godular]

Technically, in the WA, our first response to somebody bringing up Nazis would be 'What the hell is a Nazi?'

True, but I presume the nation made it in OOC. We might as well entertain it, since we challenged the economic portion of this for so long.

If it's an OOC argument, then technically it belongs in NSG... I can direct folks to the relevant thread if need be.

[Riverpost]

True, but I presume the nation made it in OOC. We might as well entertain it, since we challenged the economic portion of this for so long.

If it's an OOC argument, then technically it belongs in NSG... I can direct folks to the relevant thread if need be.

Awesome! Sounds good to me. Personally, if I were to comment on things, it seems quite well that the vast sum of posts are really re-posts of the same spectrum points on the issue. Either that, or it's a creative new way to represent one of them with their ambassador. Threads like the one you've linked should always be accessible, so people observing outside the context of debate or RP can contribute on the wider topic at hand. Sorry if I was holding up the IC thread with my little detour (both you and Picairn are quite good debaters, mind you! If you guys teamed up, you'd probably be quite unstoppable).

[Castrovido]

HH Felicia Orantes, Countess of Sierra de Tramontana, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido

Honored
Members of the World Assembly

It is my duty to inform you that the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido strongly opposes this legislation and therefore will be voting against it.
Although abortion is legal in Castrovido we do not believe it is our duty to impose our views on other nations on such a delicate subject.

Castrovido believe that you can be pro-choice and at the same time be personally against abortion. We therefore believe that it is wrong to force other people to pay for another person's abortion. This is entirely a personal matter and should of course be paid for by the person who is getting the abortion.

We encourage other member states to vote against this resolution, because it will lead to a precedent where a majority of the WA can force the minority to pay for a wide range of services that for any reason is not available in some countries.

[Godular]

HH Felicia Orantes, Countess of Sierra de Tramontana, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido

Honored
Members of the World Assembly

It is my duty to inform you that the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido strongly opposes this legislation and therefore will be voting against it.
Although abortion is legal in Castrovido we do not believe it is our duty to impose our views on other nations on such a delicate subject.

Castrovido believe that you can be pro-choice and at the same time be personally against abortion. We therefore believe that it is wrong to force other people to pay for another person's abortion. This is entirely a personal matter and should of course be paid for by the person who is getting the abortion.

We encourage other member states to vote against this resolution, because it will lead to a precedent where a majority of the WA can force the minority to pay for a wide range of services that for any reason is not available in some countries.

"The World Assembly already does that... in some... several hundred different ways."

[Castrovido]

HH Felicia Orantes, Countess of Sierra de Tramontana, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido

Honored
Members of the World Assembly

It is my duty to inform you that the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido strongly opposes this legislation and therefore will be voting against it.
Although abortion is legal in Castrovido we do not believe it is our duty to impose our views on other nations on such a delicate subject.

Castrovido believe that you can be pro-choice and at the same time be personally against abortion. We therefore believe that it is wrong to force other people to pay for another person's abortion. This is entirely a personal matter and should of course be paid for by the person who is getting the abortion.

We encourage other member states to vote against this resolution, because it will lead to a precedent where a majority of the WA can force the minority to pay for a wide range of services that for any reason is not available in some countries.

"The World Assembly already does that... in some... several hundred different ways."

Then this is where we will make our stand!

HH Felicia Orantes, Countess of Sierra de Tramontana, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido

[Riverpost]

"The World Assembly already does that... in some... several hundred different ways."

Then this is where we will make our stand!

HH Felicia Orantes, Countess of Sierra de Tramontana, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido

"The floor is yours, madame.

What do you propose?"

[Separatist Peoples]

"The World Assembly already does that... in some... several hundred different ways."

Then this is where we will make our stand!

HH Felicia Orantes, Countess of Sierra de Tramontana, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido

"Stand for what? A losing vote? You're just embarrassing yourself, ambassador."

[Flying Eagles]

Then this is where we will make our stand!

HH Felicia Orantes, Countess of Sierra de Tramontana, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Royal Kingdom of Castrovido

"Stand for what? A losing vote? You're just embarrassing yourself, ambassador."

“Ambassador, this resolution allows for parents to abort their children after viability, which does happen. We have noted your unfortunate desires in our dossier”

[Union of Sovereign States and Republics]

Any person who makes his or her or their judgement on the premise of a short statement clearly in the values of what the poster believes is right and just (as for many), is not in bad faith.

If he is in bad faith, so are all the rest of us. I take it you would not reckon that?

Technically, in the WA, our first response to somebody bringing up Nazis would be 'What the hell is a Nazi?'

The moment someone says that, our ambassador would be frothing at the mouth.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Stand for what? A losing vote? You're just embarrassing yourself, ambassador."

“Ambassador, this resolution allows for parents to abort their children after viability, which does happen. We have noted your unfortunate desires in our dossier”

"You can note there that I dislike post-birth children, that I drink too much, and owe a great deal to my bartender, that I am a political embarrassment to my home nation, and that I could not possibly care less about your dossier."

[Ardiveds]

"Stand for what? A losing vote? You're just embarrassing yourself, ambassador."

“Ambassador, this resolution allows for parents to abort their children after viability, which does happen. We have noted your unfortunate desires in our dossier”

"Ambassador, I suggest you invest in artificial womb technology like we have done. Our scientists could even help if you wish. No viable foetuses will die in Ardiveds with or without this resolution."

[Godular]

Technically, in the WA, our first response to somebody bringing up Nazis would be 'What the hell is a Nazi?'

The moment someone says that, our ambassador would be frothing at the mouth.

In character, so would the Godulans.

[Union of Sovereign States and Republics]

Technically, in the WA, our first response to somebody bringing up Nazis would be 'What the hell is a Nazi?'

"We tried to find out. Apparently, it was a cult led by a short comedian with a funny moustache who killed people. We couldn't find out why he killed people, probably had something to do with his moustache."

Ambassador Grigorev pounds his fisk on his desk, spewing out a line of curses in Russian. His secretary whispers something in his ear, and he soon calms down.

"Apologies for my... outburst." He clears his throat. "The Soviet Union has a troubled history with them."

[Ardiveds]

"We tried to find out. Apparently, it was a cult led by a short comedian with a funny moustache who killed people. We couldn't find out why he killed people, probably had something to do with his moustache."

Ambassador Grigorev pounds his fisk on his desk, spewing out a line of curses in Russian. His secretary whispers something in his ear, and he soon calms down.

"Apologies for my... outburst." He clears his throat. "The Soviet Union has a troubled history with them."

"We also found that out. Your leader back then also had a pretty great moustache. We bet your trouble began with the moustaches."