[PASSED] Access to Abortion

[Prussian-Germany]

This proposal is an issue not for the World Assembly, but for the Nation.

I have spoken to the Federal Parliament and they have voted in favour of voting against this proposal on the grounds of National Sovereignty and not for any other reason.

"And why must the rights of women to control their own bodies and make their own decisions be a national concern? It doesn't make sense that Astrobolt let women's rights be infringed just because they happen in another country."

My dear friend, for me it has nothing to do about that - I am, after all, pro-choice - but I see it the government PAYING for it a massive problem. My government doesn't have that type of money!

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

At this stage looks like we need a resolution on General Practitioner Training Standards...

[Keswickholt]

"And why must the rights of women to control their own bodies and make their own decisions be a national concern? It doesn't make sense that Astrobolt let women's rights be infringed just because they happen in another country."

My dear friend, for me it has nothing to do about that - I am, after all, pro-choice - but I see it the government PAYING for it a massive problem. My government doesn't have that type of money!

Whilst our nation is better off than some nations, we do not feel it appropriate or morally acceptable for a resolution calling for all nations to make a payment towards a medical procedure that they may be against or in some nations is illegal, not only is this a problem, it could lead to thousands of women being made criminals by their nation for wanting to make that choice.

Ambassador do not get me wrong, the Federal Republic is Pro-Choice on this matter and already has such infrastructure in place to allow for Abortions. We as a nation promote diversity and equality for all people regardless of gender, race or religion.

[Keswickholt]

At this stage looks like we need a resolution on General Practitioner Training Standards...

At this rate we will need a resolution on World Assembly Resolutions

[Prussian-Germany]

My dear friend, for me it has nothing to do about that - I am, after all, pro-choice - but I see it the government PAYING for it a massive problem. My government doesn't have that type of money!

Whilst our nation is better off than some nations, we do not feel it appropriate or morally acceptable for a resolution calling for all nations to make a payment towards a medical procedure that they may be against or in some nations is illegal, not only is this a problem, it could lead to thousands of women being made criminals by their nation for wanting to make that choice.

Ambassador do not get me wrong, the Federal Republic is Pro-Choice on this matter and already has such infrastructure in place to allow for Abortions. We as a nation promote diversity and equality for all people regardless of gender, race or religion.

Ambassador, I could have not said it better myself.

[Astrobolt]

My dear friend, for me it has nothing to do about that - I am, after all, pro-choice - but I see it the government PAYING for it a massive problem. My government doesn't have that type of money!

Whilst our nation is better off than some nations, we do not feel it appropriate or morally acceptable for a resolution calling for all nations to make a payment towards a medical procedure that they may be against or in some nations is illegal, not only is this a problem, it could lead to thousands of women being made criminals by their nation for wanting to make that choice.

Ambassador do not get me wrong, the Federal Republic is Pro-Choice on this matter and already has such infrastructure in place to allow for Abortions. We as a nation promote diversity and equality for all people regardless of gender, race or religion.

"Ambassador, abortion is already legal in all GA nations per GA resolution #286 Reproductive Freedoms. (If it isn't those nations would be non compliant and subject to sanctions.) There isn't an issue of illegality here."

[Prussian-Germany]

Whilst our nation is better off than some nations, we do not feel it appropriate or morally acceptable for a resolution calling for all nations to make a payment towards a medical procedure that they may be against or in some nations is illegal, not only is this a problem, it could lead to thousands of women being made criminals by their nation for wanting to make that choice.

Ambassador do not get me wrong, the Federal Republic is Pro-Choice on this matter and already has such infrastructure in place to allow for Abortions. We as a nation promote diversity and equality for all people regardless of gender, race or religion.

"Ambassador, abortion is already legal in all GA nations per GA resolution #286 Reproductive Freedoms. (If it isn't those nations would be non compliant and subject to sanctions.) There isn't an issue of illegality here."

All I'm going to say are 3 things:

1) what right does the World Assembly have to tell it's members to pay for something that does not affect the government of the nations OR the World Assembly?
2) leave this matter up to the independent nations to decide what is best for their own nation.
3) I DO NOT CARE WHAT MY PEOPLE DO - AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL AND THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE THINGS THEN IT ALREADY DOES.

[Prussian-Germany]

At this stage looks like we need a resolution on General Practitioner Training Standards...

At this rate we will need a resolution on World Assembly Resolutions

I will get on that then!

[Picairn]

"Sure. Do better."

"Ok. Give us magic, then we will."

"Oh, honey. You don't need to explain to me how the law works. Members must provide means of access to services and commodities in a speedy fashion. You do not need a sports car to do so. There is no requirement that the means provided be the fastest possible or unreasonably expensive."

OOC: This argument is sufficiently bad faith and contorted that I'd mark it as an HM if I saw it in a repeal.

"That doesn't negate the issue of free rides for the rich."

[Keswickholt]

"Ambassador, abortion is already legal in all GA nations per GA resolution #286 Reproductive Freedoms. (If it isn't those nations would be non compliant and subject to sanctions.) There isn't an issue of illegality here."

All I'm going to say are 3 things:

1) what right does the World Assembly have to tell it's members to pay for something that does not affect the government of the nations OR the World Assembly?
2) leave this matter up to the independent nations to decide what is best for their own nation.
3) I DO NOT CARE WHAT MY PEOPLE DO - AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL AND THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE THINGS THEN IT ALREADY DOES.

Thank you Ambassador of Prussian-Germany, I agree with these points.

Ambassador of Astrobolt;
Why is it that people feel there is an infinite money pot in the WA?
Are you aware that there is a proposal to repeal GA #286 being debated at the moment?

[Anurial]

"Ambassador, abortion is already legal in all GA nations per GA resolution #286 Reproductive Freedoms. (If it isn't those nations would be non compliant and subject to sanctions.) There isn't an issue of illegality here."

All I'm going to say are 3 things:

1) what right does the World Assembly have to tell it's members to pay for something that does not affect the government of the nations OR the World Assembly?
2) leave this matter up to the independent nations to decide what is best for their own nation.
3) I DO NOT CARE WHAT MY PEOPLE DO - AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL AND THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE THINGS THEN IT ALREADY DOES.

"It seems odd for an ambassador to the World Assembly to take issue with the World Assembly requesting mandatory payments and ensuring the reproductive freedoms when the former is a rather fundamental part of the World Assembly and the latter has been an active resolution for quite some time."

[Prussian-Germany]

All I'm going to say are 3 things:

1) what right does the World Assembly have to tell it's members to pay for something that does not affect the government of the nations OR the World Assembly?
2) leave this matter up to the independent nations to decide what is best for their own nation.
3) I DO NOT CARE WHAT MY PEOPLE DO - AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL AND THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE THINGS THEN IT ALREADY DOES.

"It seems odd for an ambassador to the World Assembly to take issue with the World Assembly requesting mandatory payments and ensuring the reproductive freedoms when the former is a rather fundamental part of the World Assembly and the latter has been an active resolution for quite some time."

It seems odd to me, Ambassador, at you are willing for an outside power, that doesn't know the laws, traditions, or spending of your nation, and you are willing to let them decide., NO MATTER WHAT YOUR COUNTRY OR FINANTIAL CURCOMSTANCES, to tell you what to spend money on.

I am pro-choice - it is not a matter of the government to tell you what you can do or not do in that zone - but government spending for it? I'm not ok with it.

[Prussian-Germany]

Plus, I really don't have the money for it as it is - defense and military spending are taking up a good portion of the budget!

[Anurial]

"It seems odd for an ambassador to the World Assembly to take issue with the World Assembly requesting mandatory payments and ensuring the reproductive freedoms when the former is a rather fundamental part of the World Assembly and the latter has been an active resolution for quite some time."

It seems odd to me, Ambassador, at you are willing for an outside power, that doesn't know the laws, traditions, or spending of your nation, and you are willing to let them decide., NO MATTER WHAT YOUR COUNTRY OR FINANTIAL CURCOMSTANCES, to tell you what to spend money on.

I am pro-choice - it is not a matter of the government to tell you what you can do or not do in that zone - but government spending for it? I'm not ok with it.

"Ambassador, are you not guilty of the same thing? This is one of the primary premises of the World Assembly; internationalism. I'd also like to add that it is very important for the right to have an abortion to be accompanied with it actually being possible. Too often can individuals have their rights artificially restricted due to financial circumstances. I am under the impression that this is the reasoning behind this resolution."

[Astrobolt]

All I'm going to say are 3 things:

1) what right does the World Assembly have to tell it's members to pay for something that does not affect the government of the nations OR the World Assembly?
2) leave this matter up to the independent nations to decide what is best for their own nation.
3) I DO NOT CARE WHAT MY PEOPLE DO - AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL AND THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE THINGS THEN IT ALREADY DOES.

Thank you Ambassador of Prussian-Germany, I agree with these points.

Ambassador of Astrobolt;
Why is it that people feel there is an infinite money pot in the WA?
Are you aware that there is a proposal to repeal GA #286 being debated at the moment?

1. No one said that there is an infinite pot of money despite what you or the ambassador for United Massachusetts have implied. Simply some funds exist for poorer nations. Importantly however, covering the costs of abortions and contraceptives will actually save money in the long-run, as this will result in less spending on social services.
2. Many people have tried and failed to repeal GA #286. Based on the current makeup of the WA, I am confident that this won't pass anytime soon.

[Godular]

All I'm going to say are 3 things:

1) what right does the World Assembly have to tell it's members to pay for something that does not affect the government of the nations OR the World Assembly?
2) leave this matter up to the independent nations to decide what is best for their own nation.
3) I DO NOT CARE WHAT MY PEOPLE DO - AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL AND THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE THINGS THEN IT ALREADY DOES.

Thank you Ambassador of Prussian-Germany, I agree with these points.

Ambassador of Astrobolt;
Why is it that people feel there is an infinite money pot in the WA?
Are you aware that there is a proposal to repeal GA #286 being debated at the moment?

“Whaaaaaaaaat? Why, that must mean it is a day ending in Y!”

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

sigh...

a. GH is not a moderator,
b. holy shit you're literally responding to a post from three months ago
and c. jiminy jillikers

OOC : listen buddy, if anyone has a nation whose name has a special colour, they are a moderator to me,

Still not a moderator...buddy.

[Imperium Anglorum]

So I read through some of the last few pages and oof there are going to be a lot of HMs in the repeals.

[Honeydewistania]

So I read through some of the last few pages and oof there are going to be a lot of HMs in the repeals clusters.

[SimTropican]

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Access to Abortion
Category: Health | Area of Effect: Healthcare

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Whereas some rabidly anti-choice nations lack medical professionals willing to perform abortions, meaning the ability to access them is non-existent without funds needed for foreign travel, denying constructively abortion rights because of income and birth location:

And whereas discrimination in state policy or administration of tax on abortion recipients and providers is unfair and grossly unjust:

And whereas people have natural rights to property in their own person:

Be it enacted by this august World Assembly as follows:

1. Definitions. In this resolution,
   
   1. abortion means a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy deliberately,
      
   2. discrimination in tax, in relation to medical procedures, includes placing a burden in excess of that placed on other procedures of similar risk,
      
   3. IAO means Independent Adjudicative Office,
      
   4. recipient bona fide means a natural person demonstrating a bona fide desire for a commodity or service,
      
   5. resolution means General Assembly resolution,
      
   6. member means member nation, and
      
   7. tax includes solidarity contributions and other compulsory payments made to the state.
2. Funding. Members must pay for or provide directly abortions, abortifacients, and contraceptives to any recipient bona fide within their jurisdiction upon request. Members must also provide a means to access such services and commodities speedily and free at the point of service or provision.
   
   
3. Non-discrimination. No members may:
   
   1. conduct discrimination in tax against a recipient or provider of abortion services or contraceptives in tax collection, assessment, or administration,
      
   2. discriminate against abortion clinics workers on account of occupation or place of employment,
      
   3. prosecute any person for receiving or providing section 7 compliant abortions, contraceptives, truthful medical advice, or education thereon,
      
   4. prohibit or levy discriminatory tariffs or tax against section 7 compliant contraceptives or abortifacients,
      
   5. fail to provide equal protection before the law to recipients or providers of abortion services, or
      
   6. implement policies intended to restrict access to section 7 regulated goods or services.
4. Clinics. WA Choice Plus is established and may construct, per section 5, clinics with funds assessed by the General Accounting Office from members in which there does not exist, in the view of the WACC, adequate access to abortion. Such clinics shall offer free and safe abortions to any recipient bona fide. All members must, however, contribute separately to WA Choice Plus in proportion to expenses incurred within their jurisdiction at such clinics for their upkeep and maintenance.
   
   
   1. Members must arrange fully subsidised travel for any recipient bona fide, and one person of their choice, to receive care offered by such a clinic if abortion services are not speedily accessible. No limitation, except to prohibit travel to nations in which there is an on-going armed conflict, may be enforced by a member on a person's ability to exit a member for purposes of travelling to a clinic unless permitted by resolution.
      
      
   2. Clinics shall provide free healthcare and counselling for expectant parents as well as free contraceptives and abortifacients to any address serviceable by post within a member.
5. Clinic lease terms. Any member may request the construction of section 4 clinics if they can show to the WACC that construction would expand access to abortion in an area where it is inadequate. The clinics will be built on land donated by members where the member doing so grants to the clinic a ten-year renewable lease in which no (a) direct tax or (b) indirect tax in excess of one per cent may be collected, along with the condition, reinforced by private contract, that upon disestablishment of the clinic, the assignee or seizer must remit to WA Choice Plus the fair market value of the improvements to that land.
   
   
6. Exceptions. Notwithstanding any other provision of this resolution and unless otherwise indicated by previous resolution, a member may restrict access to or section 2 funding for an abortion if that member can show that a sex-selective basis clearly impels its request.
   
   
7. Health and safety. The World Health Authority (WHA) must issue regulations to ensure abortions, abortifacients, and contraceptives available to the general public are safe and effective for end-users and those with which they may be in close contact. Such regulations overrule those made by members unless it can be shown to the IAO that those WHA regulations are insufficient in fulfilling the mandates of this section.
   
   
8. Interpretation. Members shall ascribe personhood to begin at birth. In this resolution, older resolutions overrule conflicting provisions of this resolution, singular words include the plural unless otherwise indicated, and section and list headings have no effect.

It is stupid laws like this that is why more NS nations are not apart of the General Assembly than in. Besides trying to force the murdering of the unborn children on nations and try to force them to pay for it, even for those sick nations supporting the murdering the unborn it should be up to each individual nation. As long as there are laws like this in place you can know many of us will refuse to join the WA and I encourage a mass exodus from the WA to no longer have to follow any WA laws or such.

[Kenmoria]

"Ambassador, abortion is already legal in all GA nations per GA resolution #286 Reproductive Freedoms. (If it isn't those nations would be non compliant and subject to sanctions.) There isn't an issue of illegality here."

All I'm going to say are 3 things:

1) what right does the World Assembly have to tell it's members to pay for something that does not affect the government of the nations OR the World Assembly?
2) leave this matter up to the independent nations to decide what is best for their own nation.
3) I DO NOT CARE WHAT MY PEOPLE DO - AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL AND THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE THINGS THEN IT ALREADY DOES.

“The World Assembly has the right to mandate member states to fund abortion services because these nations voluntarily joined. If your country really has some ideological opposition towards bodily sovereignty, then there is nobody putting a gun to your leader’s head and making the nation stay. Independent nations have the right to decide many aspects of their national policy. However, I feel this debate has demonstrated that several do not consider bodily sovereignty a priority, which is why the WA has been forced to take action.”

[Ardiveds]

This proposal is an issue not for the World Assembly, but for the Nation.

I have spoken to the Federal Parliament and they have voted in favour of voting against this proposal on the grounds of National Sovereignty and not for any other reason.

My nation not only agrees with this view, but the Congress is actually debating wither or not to leave the World Assembly.

I fear the World Assembly is turning into the UN...

OOC: 1. Pretty sure it was intended to be the UN, hell it was once even called as such, until the real thing crashed the party.
2. Actually it was UN and now turning into the EU.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Sure. Do better."

"Ok. Give us magic, then we will."

"Sounds like you need some competent administrators and economists, ambassador."

"That doesn't negate the issue of free rides for the rich."

"Ah, yes. A minority of people using free public transport for a relatively uncommon affliction. Truly the bane of our time."

[Separatist Peoples]

"It seems odd for an ambassador to the World Assembly to take issue with the World Assembly requesting mandatory payments and ensuring the reproductive freedoms when the former is a rather fundamental part of the World Assembly and the latter has been an active resolution for quite some time."

It seems odd to me, Ambassador, at you are willing for an outside power, that doesn't know the laws, traditions, or spending of your nation, and you are willing to let them decide., NO MATTER WHAT YOUR COUNTRY OR FINANTIAL CURCOMSTANCES, to tell you what to spend money on.

I am pro-choice - it is not a matter of the government to tell you what you can do or not do in that zone - but government spending for it? I'm not ok with it.

"Why should we leave issues of moral significance to the whim of governments who are demonstrably willing to deny their people? Moreover, when nations join the World Assembly, they agree to obey the resolutions passed by that Assembly. That is where the WA gets the right to do this. If your funding is overburdened by military and police spending, perhaps spend less on the military and the police."

[Great Latiko]

The Great Latiko Delegation opposes this proposal and quite frankly is alarmed by such authoritative measures now being implemented by member nation of our great World Assembly. We, as a nation, have concluded that if future resolutions keep on being passed that not only limit national sovereignty but also begin to forcibly take national soil/land away to use for what suits them, Great Latiko will have no choice but to cut all ties with the World Assembly. Great Latiko already complies with past resolutions in regards to abortion and, in fact, already legalized the practice, within reason of course, so sees no reason for this proposal to even exist except as a tool of the Member Nations to force their own ideology onto others.

Now onto why Great Latiko so strongly opposes such legislation:

1. The greatest reason, Great Latiko will not comply with point 4 that being ("Clinics. WA Choice Plus is established and may construct, per section 5, clinics with funds assessed by the General Accounting Office from members in which there does not exist, in the view of the WACC, adequate access to abortion. Such clinics shall offer free and safe abortions to any recipient bona fide. All members must, however, contribute separately to WA Choice Plus in proportion to expenses incurred within their jurisdiction at such clinics for their upkeep and maintenance.") Great Latiko already has a large percentage of its budget dedicated to healthcare including abortion and the very thought of our land being taken by force, oh wait forgive "land donated" and being controlled by a sovereign power with no say by our government in how it should be ran is not only inherently oppressive but something we will not tolerate.

2. Point 2 states that ("Funding. Members must pay for or provide directly abortions, abortifacients, and contraceptives to any recipient bona fide within their jurisdiction upon request. Members must also provide a means to access such services and commodities speedily and free at the point of service or provision.") Great Latiko does not allow abortions "for free" and all citizens must pay for this medical procedure like they do for all other medical expenses (How much this payment is, is based on their income and thus adjusted accordingly, in simple terms the poorer you are the less you pay for any procedure). In truth, these "free" abortions would have to be paid for by taxes collected from citizens. Great Latiko has a unique tax collecting system where citizens may choose what percentage of their tax goes to what. Of course there are some exceptions such as a flat tax to national defense, but still the point remains that this proposal would force our citizens to divert their tax revenue into something they may not ideologically be aligned with. Thus, this breach of liberty to our people will inevitably create tension and God Forbid, may result in social unrest that the national government cannot even resolve considering it is being forced to accept these draconian resolutions by the General Assembly.

To conclude, while there are other tidbits of the proposal Great Latiko does not agree with, the delegation deems there is little else to say and wants to end our letter with the following:

Great Latiko is not a nation that likes to meddle in global affairs and ,in fact, believes all nations should rule themselves without foreign intervention. Being a nation of former freedom fighters against tyranny and oppression from abroad, our nation is proud to engage with other nations not only as equals but as friends, no matter how different their nations may be. For the sake of freedom and sovereignty, do not allow this proposal to pass, not because Great Latiko is ideologically opposed to abortion but because it cannot stand and watch as the General Assembly slowly turns more and more authoritarian and ends up as an organization that instead of promoting peace and cooperation between countries, promotes mob rule and force through the barrel of a gun/legislation.

OOC: Hello! This is Great Latiko's first ever post and as such I don't really know the rules of posting so if I post anything else it won't be as long and such. If you read all this, thank you for taking the time and be safe.