[PASSED] Access to Abortion

[Godular]

"Quality in Health Services, Minimum Standards of Living Act, and the Administrative Compliance Act."

OOC: What number are those?

OOC: ctrl+F is your friend

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: I don't do pro bono for other players.

OOC: I'm sorry?

Ooc: it means I'm inviting you to do your own research.

[La Xinga]

OOC: What number are those?

OOC: ctrl+F is your friend

OOC: I don't think most computers do that thing that you want.

OOC: I'm sorry?

Ooc: it means I'm inviting you to do your own research.

OOC: I could try. It would take about an hour, so please give me some time to read them.

[Picairn]

"So will the increased costs of the new abortion clinics, subsidised travels, abortion operations, etc. be partly covered by the WA? Or the states will have to cough up money from higher taxes?"

[La Xinga]

"So will the increased costs of the new abortion clinics, subsidised travels, abortion operations, etc. be partly covered by the WA? Or the states will have to cough up money from higher taxes?"

"I wonder where the WA gets all this money from....."

[Godular]

OOC: ctrl+F is your friend

OOC: I don't think most computers do that thing that you want.

Oh, I’m absolutely certain there is an analogous function on your computer. Israeli keyboard or otherwise.

[La Xinga]

OOC: I don't think most computers do that thing that you want.

Oh, I’m absolutely certain there is an analogous function on your computer. Israeli keyboard or otherwise.

Israeli keyboard?

[Godular]

"So will the increased costs of the new abortion clinics, subsidised travels, abortion operations, etc. be partly covered by the WA? Or the states will have to cough up money from higher taxes?"

"I wonder where the WA gets all this money from....."

“I have now earmarked another fifteen seconds of replicator time to produce rare metals for WA funding. I think I shall have it make Americium!”

[Kenmoria]

"So will the increased costs of the new abortion clinics, subsidised travels, abortion operations, etc. be partly covered by the WA? Or the states will have to cough up money from higher taxes?"

“If the abortion clinic is one of WA Choice Plus, then the cost of the abortion operations and the clinic itself will be funded by the IAO. However, the travel must be provided for by member states. If the abortion clinic is a state one, then all aspects must be subsidised by members.”

[Godular]

Oh, I’m absolutely certain there is an analogous function on your computer. Israeli keyboard or otherwise.

Israeli keyboard?

Hebrew, Yiddish, whatevs. If you have different alphabetical systems on your keyboard it will still have a find function.

[Heavens Reach]

This resolution was a few mere words away from being perfect. There is, however, a deep moral conflict in ascribing personhood only at the time of birth. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, with the often unfortunate associated cost of the life of the fetus. A right to abortion does not inherently provide a right to end the life of a fetus as an end in itself. Per third trimester, fetuses are viable, and meet the necessary neurobiological predisposition to experience pain via the spinothalamic tract to a fully developed dorsal posterior insula. Abortive procedures which have as intention the preservation of the fetuses life at this point in the pregnancy are prescribed, which, per the biologically independent nature of the erstwhile developed fetus should be sufficient for a definition of personhood which does not impinge on the bodily autonomy of the person who theretofore carried the fetus. This should not be construed to be in conflict with the right to universal access to abortive healthcare, but presents a serious moral issue of what prescribes personhood, and why it should have an arbitrary delineation of birth, and not a more scientifically or morally compelling category. This also puts forth a cynical apprehension of future technology in which it surely will become possible to preserve, in the total sense, the life of all aborted fetuses without restriction of abortive procedure. This is a deeply troubling flaw in an otherwise extremely well-written and thoroughly considered resolution, and creates a significant ethical dilemma that is only resolved by the more pressing need of bodily autonomy. We will vote for this resolution, but we will keep an eye out for a repeal and replacement which maintains the strength of this resolution, but compels a much more ethically sound prerequisite of personhood. With consideration to these significant concerns, but in keeping with the presently more compelling moral objective of this resolution, and with deep apprehension, we vote FOR in the matter of the proposal entitled Access to Abortion.

[La Xinga]

"I wonder where the WA gets all this money from....."

“I have now earmarked another fifteen seconds of replicator time to produce rare metals for WA funding. I think I shall have it make Americium!”

Really now?

Israeli keyboard?

Hebrew, Yiddish, whatevs. If you have different alphabetical systems on your keyboard it will still have a find function.

I mean, it does search stuff, but I think other non-related to NS stuff will show up.

[Godular]

“I have now earmarked another fifteen seconds of replicator time to produce rare metals for WA funding. I think I shall have it make Americium!”

Really now?

“Yes, really. You should see what the market rates are for that stuff!”

Hebrew, Yiddish, whatevs. If you have different alphabetical systems on your keyboard it will still have a find function.

I mean, it does search stuff, but I think other non-related to NS stuff will show up.

Not if you’re in the correct thread. Seriously. ‘Passed General Assembly Resolutions’ is stickied for a reason.

[La Xinga]

Really now?

“Yes, really. You should see what the market rates are for that stuff!”

The WA sells those stuff? So no member nation pays?

Hebrew, Yiddish, whatevs. If you have different alphabetical systems on your keyboard it will still have a find function.

La xinga wrote:
I mean, it does search stuff, but I think other non-related to NS stuff will show up.

Not if you’re in the correct thread. Seriously. ‘Passed General Assembly Resolutions’ is stickied for a reason.

I must be doing everything wrong then.

[Godular]

“Yes, really. You should see what the market rates are for that stuff!”

The WA sells those stuff? So no member nation pays?

“If certain nations are demonstrably incapable, yes. This does not mean that you get an automagic pass on funding for such resolutions, however. If you can afford it, you are expected to pay for it.”

Hebrew, Yiddish, whatevs. If you have different alphabetical systems on your keyboard it will still have a find function.

La xinga wrote:
I mean, it does search stuff, but I think other non-related to NS stuff will show up.

Not if you’re in the correct thread. Seriously. ‘Passed General Assembly Resolutions’ is stickied for a reason.

I must be doing everything wrong then.

Acknowledging the problem is the first step to resolving it.

[La Xinga]

The WA sells those stuff? So no member nation pays?

“If certain nations are demonstrably incapable, yes. This does not mean that you get an automagic pass on funding for such resolutions, however. If you can afford it, you are expected to pay for it.”

I must be doing everything wrong then.

Acknowledging the problem is the first step to resolving it.

I thought the WA has mines producing everything that they sell. Why then do they need our money?

[Picairn]

“If the abortion clinic is one of WA Choice Plus, then the cost of the abortion operations and the clinic itself will be funded by the IAO. However, the travel must be provided for by member states. If the abortion clinic is a state one, then all aspects must be subsidised by members.”

"That's still eye-poppingly expensive. To accomplish this, we would need a restructure of the current Picairnian government's budget, which means that we will have to cut spending to our state-of-the-art schools as well as military and welfare spending AND increase taxes at the same time. The Parliament is meeting soon with the best economists in Picairn to decide on this, but I sense that the majority of Picairnians won't like the prospect of having their schools and welfare defunded. Expect pamphlets villifying Imperium Anglorum littering public places, should you desire to visit our nation this year."

[Godular]

“If certain nations are demonstrably incapable, yes. This does not mean that you get an automagic pass on funding for such resolutions, however. If you can afford it, you are expected to pay for it.”



Acknowledging the problem is the first step to resolving it.

I thought the WA has mines producing everything that they sell.

Look up the WA general fund. It is not far down the list.

[Heavens Reach]

“If the abortion clinic is one of WA Choice Plus, then the cost of the abortion operations and the clinic itself will be funded by the IAO. However, the travel must be provided for by member states. If the abortion clinic is a state one, then all aspects must be subsidised by members.”

"That's still eye-poppingly expensive. To accomplish this, we would need a restructure of the current Picairnian government's budget, which means that we will have to cut spending to our state-of-the-art schools as well as military and welfare spending AND increase taxes at the same time. The Parliament is meeting soon with the best economists in Picairn to decide on this, but I sense that the majority of Picairnians won't like the prospect of having their schools and welfare defunded. Expect pamphlets villifying Imperium Anglorum littering public places, should you desire to visit our nation in this year."

Ambassador, if you use the funds granted by the resolution to build clinics, you will not have to fund travel to member nations that have them. If your national budget is this delicate, take comfort in the fact that the cost for this resolution is distributed to all member nations. This is of particular benefit to nations with small or delicate budgets.

[La Xinga]

I thought the WA has mines producing everything that they sell.

Look up the WA general fund. It is not far down the list.

Donations?

[Picairn]

Ambassador, if you use the funds granted by the resolution to build clinics, you will not have to fund travel to member nations that have them. If your national budget is this delicate, take comfort in the fact that the cost for this resolution is distributed to all member nations. This is of particular benefit to nations with small or delicate budgets.

"There are a million things the government must do, Ambassador, even with a large budget. We certainly can't afford to have spaceships and other scientific inventions on top of state-of-the-art schools, world-class healthcare, extensive public welfare, guaranteed minorities outreach programs, a strong military, an effective police force, etc. at the same time without bankrupting the state. Resources are scarce, and how to distribute them is a science in itself (Economics). So yes, if this resolution operates on the insurance model, where every country pays into a funding pool, then it would be much appreciated since our burden just got a bit lighter."

[Heavens Reach]

There are a million things the government must do, Ambassador, even with a large budget. We certainly can't afford to have spaceships and other scientific inventions on top of state-of-the-art schools, world-class healthcare, extensive public welfare, guaranteed minorities outreach programs, a strong military, an effective police force, etc. at the same time without bankrupting the state. Resources are scarce, and how to distribute them is a science in itself (Economics). So yes, if this resolution operates on the insurance model, where every country pays into a funding pool, then it would be much appreciated since our burden just got a bit lighter.

That is how the proposal is written, ambassador. Plus access to abortion creates demonstrable healthcare cost savings for nations with access. If you are looking at this through a cold, hard, fiscal, lens, it's all positives for your nation, ambassador.

[Godular]

Ambassador, if you use the funds granted by the resolution to build clinics, you will not have to fund travel to member nations that have them. If your national budget is this delicate, take comfort in the fact that the cost for this resolution is distributed to all member nations. This is of particular benefit to nations with small or delicate budgets.

"There are a million things the government must do, Ambassador, even with a large budget. We certainly can't afford to have spaceships and other scientific inventions on top of state-of-the-art schools, world-class healthcare, extensive public welfare, guaranteed minorities outreach programs, a strong military, an effective police force, etc. at the same time without bankrupting the state. Resources are scarce, and how to distribute them is a science in itself (Economics). So yes, if this resolution operates on the insurance model, where every country pays into a funding pool, then it would be much appreciated since our burden just got a bit lighter."

“It works off of donations, to which I have functionally added the GNP of a moderately-sized ‘modern’ nation. While you might require the aid of such funds at first, the savings that you subsequently reap should be more than sufficient to enable you to stand on your own.”

[Picairn]

That is how the proposal is written, ambassador. Plus access to abortion creates demonstrable healthcare cost savings for nations with access. If you are looking at this through a cold, hard, fiscal, lens, it's all positives for your nation, ambassador.

“It works off of donations, to which I have functionally added the GNP of a moderately-sized ‘modern’ nation. While you might require the aid of such funds at first, the savings that you subsequently reap should be more than sufficient to enable you to stand on your own.”

"Excellent, Ambassadors. Maybe we won't need to cut funding to education or welfare after all."

[Ardiveds]

This resolution was a few mere words away from being perfect. There is, however, a deep moral conflict in ascribing personhood only at the time of birth. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, with the often unfortunate associated cost of the life of the fetus. A right to abortion does not inherently provide a right to end the life of a fetus as an end in itself. Per third trimester, fetuses are viable, and meet the necessary neurobiological predisposition to experience pain via the spinothalamic tract to a fully developed dorsal posterior insula. Abortive procedures which have as intention the preservation of the fetuses life at this point in the pregnancy are prescribed, which, per the biologically independent nature of the erstwhile developed fetus should be sufficient for a definition of personhood which does not impinge on the bodily autonomy of the person who theretofore carried the fetus.

This should not be construed to be in conflict with the right to universal access to abortive healthcare, but presents a serious moral issue of what prescribes personhood, and why it should have an arbitrary delineation of birth, and not a more scientifically or morally compelling category. This also puts forth a cynical apprehension of future technology in which it surely will become possible to preserve, in the total sense, the life of all aborted fetuses without restriction of abortive procedure. This is a deeply troubling flaw in an otherwise extremely well-written and thoroughly considered resolution, and creates a significant ethical dilemma that is only resolved by the more pressing need of bodily autonomy. We will vote for this resolution, but we will keep an eye out for a repeal and replacement which maintains the strength of this resolution, but compels a much more ethically sound prerequisite of personhood. With consideration to these significant concerns, but in keeping with the presently more compelling moral objective of this resolution, and with deep apprehension, we vote FOR in the matter of the proposal entitled Access to Abortion.

"Ambassador, you perfectly explained our sole grievance with this resolution (well other than the money). If this passes, Ardiveds would have to allow free abortions even after the beginning of the third trimester. While we support the bodily sovereignty of women, even we feel like abortion after foetal viability is a needless procedure when the foetus can be seperated from the mother's body. We hopefully won't get too many such cases since women usually don't wait till the third trimester to get an abortion. Sadly, we don't expect to ever get a better replacement of this this since resolutions related to abortion seem almost impossible to repeal even if the purpose is a minor amendment.

Speaking of money, can anyone here explain to us what the whole 'WA choice plus clinic' thing is and how would it be different from a average abortion clinic from an operational standpoint?"