[PASSED] Access to Abortion

[Kenmoria]

MC United utterly opposes this resolution, for reasons too numerous to list. Call us "rabid" all you like. The WA will find it difficult to enforce this imposition on the culture and values of MC United.

“Luckily, it is the government of MC United who, I am sure, will have the necessary skills to enforce laws upon the populace. The World Assembly will only need to step in the event of the state failing to fulfil its role in enforcement.

As I am here, I would like to declare my vote in favour of this proposal. It enacts further protections on the civil rights of WA inhabitants in an unambiguous and loophole-free manner.”

[La Xinga]

Your point cannot be proved either, ambassador.

"I was not making an affirmative point. I was demonstrating the unsupportable nature of yours. Context is your friend, ambassador, even if I am not."

"My point still stands, ambassador."

No appeals by emotion, since I don't use any of these stuffy stuf- whatever.

Opinions like: "blah blah tastes better than blah blah blah blah blah" doesn't need proof. And it's hard to see people's opinion who believe otherwise.

Good night.

"What you're saying is not an opinion. It's a political position, which is fundamentally different. Also, yes, it is an appeal to emotion, by calling abortion murder."

And when you call abortion "woman rights" is also a political position, and an appeal to emotion.

[Blueflarst]

Until when you will extend the federalism and interference on national politics

[Oikotheou]

Have we considered how ludicrously expensive this is for all nations? Not only are they required to pay for all abortions upon request, but they also must build and exempt from taxes abortion clinics if it can be shown to be beneficial in terms of access to abortion. Consider member nations with no abortion clinics at present. Under this law, the state would be building hundreds or even thousands of clinics depending on how large and/or how populous they are. Then, after building and exempting these places from taxes, they would be paying for the abortions of all those who entered them. Considering an abortion is at least several hundred currencies and further noting that our researchers have determined that upward of 1,000 abortions are performed daily, this means government expenditure on abortions would be at least 300,000 per day.

Economically this bill is ridiculously unsustainable. And it is tragic that so many wise members nations have thoughtlessly jumped onto a political bandwagon without considering the repercussions of such a sweeping bill. I implore my fellow member states to vote against this bill.

[La Xinga]

Until when you will extend the federalism and interference on national politics

This wasn't so much a proposal as it was a weapon against UM. Next, they'll make it mandatory for people to sing and dance by abortions because "it makes mother happy."

I obviously don't think they'll do that, just it seems that could be.

Have we considered how ludicrously expensive this is for all nations? Not only are they required to pay for all abortions upon request, but they also must build and exempt from taxes abortion clinics if it can be shown to be beneficial in terms of access to abortion. Consider member nations with no abortion clinics at present. Under this law, the state would be building hundreds or even thousands of clinics depending on how large and/or how populous they are. Then, after building and exempting these places from taxes, they would be paying for the abortions of all those who entered them. Considering an abortion is at least several hundred currencies and further noting that our researchers have determined that upward of 1,000 abortions are performed daily, this means government expenditure on abortions would be at least 300,000 per day.

Economically this bill is ridiculously unsustainable. And it is tragic that so many wise members nations have thoughtlessly jumped onto a political bandwagon without considering the repercussions of such a sweeping bill. I implore my fellow member states to vote against this bill.

It's okay, I found ways to get around it without breaking WA law.

[Kenmoria]

Have we considered how ludicrously expensive this is for all nations? Not only are they required to pay for all abortions upon request, but they also must build and exempt from taxes abortion clinics if it can be shown to be beneficial in terms of access to abortion. Consider member nations with no abortion clinics at present. Under this law, the state would be building hundreds or even thousands of clinics depending on how large and/or how populous they are. Then, after building and exempting these places from taxes, they would be paying for the abortions of all those who entered them. Considering an abortion is at least several hundred currencies and further noting that our researchers have determined that upward of 1,000 abortions are performed daily, this means government expenditure on abortions would be at least 300,000 per day.

Economically this bill is ridiculously unsustainable. And it is tragic that so many wise members nations have thoughtlessly jumped onto a political bandwagon without considering the repercussions of such a sweeping bill. I implore my fellow member states to vote against this bill.

“Abortion clinics are, fortunately, partly funded by the General Accounting Office, per clause 4. As to the cost of performing the abortions themselves, this falls down to coming up with ways to reduce costs through medical advancement. I acknowledge that this is somewhat unsatisfactory, but it is the only way to ensure a lack of wealth-based discrimination.”

[La Xinga]

Have we considered how ludicrously expensive this is for all nations? Not only are they required to pay for all abortions upon request, but they also must build and exempt from taxes abortion clinics if it can be shown to be beneficial in terms of access to abortion. Consider member nations with no abortion clinics at present. Under this law, the state would be building hundreds or even thousands of clinics depending on how large and/or how populous they are. Then, after building and exempting these places from taxes, they would be paying for the abortions of all those who entered them. Considering an abortion is at least several hundred currencies and further noting that our researchers have determined that upward of 1,000 abortions are performed daily, this means government expenditure on abortions would be at least 300,000 per day.

Economically this bill is ridiculously unsustainable. And it is tragic that so many wise members nations have thoughtlessly jumped onto a political bandwagon without considering the repercussions of such a sweeping bill. I implore my fellow member states to vote against this bill.

“Abortion clinics are, fortunately, partly funded by the General Accounting Office, per clause 4. As to the cost of performing the abortions themselves, this falls down to coming up with ways to reduce costs through medical advancement. I acknowledge that this is somewhat unsatisfactory, but it is the only way to ensure a lack of wealth-based discrimination.”

OOC: And if some WA nations Role-play that the world just came into existence and they are the first people?

[Attempted Socialism]

Have we considered how ludicrously expensive this is for all nations? Not only are they required to pay for all abortions upon request, but they also must build and exempt from taxes abortion clinics if it can be shown to be beneficial in terms of access to abortion. Consider member nations with no abortion clinics at present. Under this law, the state would be building hundreds or even thousands of clinics depending on how large and/or how populous they are. Then, after building and exempting these places from taxes, they would be paying for the abortions of all those who entered them. Considering an abortion is at least several hundred currencies and further noting that our researchers have determined that upward of 1,000 abortions are performed daily, this means government expenditure on abortions would be at least 300,000 per day.

Economically this bill is ridiculously unsustainable. And it is tragic that so many wise members nations have thoughtlessly jumped onto a political bandwagon without considering the repercussions of such a sweeping bill. I implore my fellow member states to vote against this bill.

"I checked with my people. There is exactly zero extra expenses. Perhaps if you were in compliance with extant WA resolutions, you would suffer the same non-increase in cost? Unless of course you have a low but present cost on abortifacients, in which case there will be a small, insignificant increase."

[Oikotheou]

Have we considered how ludicrously expensive this is for all nations? Not only are they required to pay for all abortions upon request, but they also must build and exempt from taxes abortion clinics if it can be shown to be beneficial in terms of access to abortion. Consider member nations with no abortion clinics at present. Under this law, the state would be building hundreds or even thousands of clinics depending on how large and/or how populous they are. Then, after building and exempting these places from taxes, they would be paying for the abortions of all those who entered them. Considering an abortion is at least several hundred currencies and further noting that our researchers have determined that upward of 1,000 abortions are performed daily, this means government expenditure on abortions would be at least 300,000 per day.

Economically this bill is ridiculously unsustainable. And it is tragic that so many wise members nations have thoughtlessly jumped onto a political bandwagon without considering the repercussions of such a sweeping bill. I implore my fellow member states to vote against this bill.

“Abortion clinics are, fortunately, partly funded by the General Accounting Office, per clause 4. As to the cost of performing the abortions themselves, this falls down to coming up with ways to reduce costs through medical advancement. I acknowledge that this is somewhat unsatisfactory, but it is the only way to ensure a lack of wealth-based discrimination.”

Medical advancement may reduce the costs, but it's advancement we do not have right now, and it means every administration will be shelling out hundreds of thousands for these procedures.
But, you are right in one sense, wealth does discriminate. That is why in Oikotheou, we have sought to encourage business and entrepreneurship, so that individuals may generate wealth for themselves. I hope that every nation has taken similar steps. Nevertheless, currency is a reality of life and one must consider how much of it they have and how they will use it. One's inability to pay for a medical procedure does not necessitate that the government provide it for them.

[Oikotheou]

Have we considered how ludicrously expensive this is for all nations? Not only are they required to pay for all abortions upon request, but they also must build and exempt from taxes abortion clinics if it can be shown to be beneficial in terms of access to abortion. Consider member nations with no abortion clinics at present. Under this law, the state would be building hundreds or even thousands of clinics depending on how large and/or how populous they are. Then, after building and exempting these places from taxes, they would be paying for the abortions of all those who entered them. Considering an abortion is at least several hundred currencies and further noting that our researchers have determined that upward of 1,000 abortions are performed daily, this means government expenditure on abortions would be at least 300,000 per day.

Economically this bill is ridiculously unsustainable. And it is tragic that so many wise members nations have thoughtlessly jumped onto a political bandwagon without considering the repercussions of such a sweeping bill. I implore my fellow member states to vote against this bill.

"I checked with my people. There is exactly zero extra expenses. Perhaps if you were in compliance with extant WA resolutions, you would suffer the same non-increase in cost? Unless of course you have a low but present cost on abortifacients, in which case there will be a small, insignificant increase."

Zero extra expenses? That's wishful and dangerous thinking. As if drugs are the only expense for abortions. There are doctors fees for the check-ups, fees for various tests related to abortions, and follow up care for the woman.

[Separatist Peoples]

“Abortion clinics are, fortunately, partly funded by the General Accounting Office, per clause 4. As to the cost of performing the abortions themselves, this falls down to coming up with ways to reduce costs through medical advancement. I acknowledge that this is somewhat unsatisfactory, but it is the only way to ensure a lack of wealth-based discrimination.”

Medical advancement may reduce the costs, but it's advancement we do not have right now, and it means every administration will be shelling out hundreds of thousands for these procedures.
But, you are right in one sense, wealth does discriminate. That is why in Oikotheou, we have sought to encourage business and entrepreneurship, so that individuals may generate wealth for themselves. I hope that every nation has taken similar steps. Nevertheless, currency is a reality of life and one must consider how much of it they have and how they will use it. One's inability to pay for a medical procedure does not necessitate that the government provide it for them.

"You are almost certainly going to see a return as great or greater for people not having to undergo expensive medical treatment during pregnancy, generate taxable income or continue education to earn more taxable income than they would if they had to drop out to care for offspring. Less social welfare spending, too, as per extant resolutions. No, ambassador, as with all public health spending, the state benefits more in the long term from the money spent."

[Separatist Peoples]

"I checked with my people. There is exactly zero extra expenses. Perhaps if you were in compliance with extant WA resolutions, you would suffer the same non-increase in cost? Unless of course you have a low but present cost on abortifacients, in which case there will be a small, insignificant increase."

Zero extra expenses? That's wishful and dangerous thinking. As if drugs are the only expense for abortions. There are doctors fees for the check-ups, fees for various tests related to abortions, and follow up care for the woman.

"Blood tests to determine pregnancy are not expensive, and only one checkup is necessary after the appropriate drugs are administered, ambassador. There are no other tests. I do not believe you have a great deal of information about abortions at hand."

[La Xinga]

Medical advancement may reduce the costs, but it's advancement we do not have right now, and it means every administration will be shelling out hundreds of thousands for these procedures.
But, you are right in one sense, wealth does discriminate. That is why in Oikotheou, we have sought to encourage business and entrepreneurship, so that individuals may generate wealth for themselves. I hope that every nation has taken similar steps. Nevertheless, currency is a reality of life and one must consider how much of it they have and how they will use it. One's inability to pay for a medical procedure does not necessitate that the government provide it for them.

"You are almost certainly going to see a return as great or greater for people not having to undergo expensive medical treatment during pregnancy, generate taxable income or continue education to earn more taxable income than they would if they had to drop out to care for offspring. Less social welfare spending, too, as per extant resolutions. No, ambassador, as with all public health spending, the state benefits more in the long term from the money spent."

"The state does not need to pay for those stuff. I don't think there's a WA resolution that says that.

[Separatist Peoples]

"You are almost certainly going to see a return as great or greater for people not having to undergo expensive medical treatment during pregnancy, generate taxable income or continue education to earn more taxable income than they would if they had to drop out to care for offspring. Less social welfare spending, too, as per extant resolutions. No, ambassador, as with all public health spending, the state benefits more in the long term from the money spent."

"The state does not need to pay for those stuff. I don't think there's a WA resolution that says that.

"Extant WA law requires provision of medical coverage, in whole or in part, by the state for at least those who cannot afford it themselves. Further WA law compels the creation of certain social services and minimum standards of living. Despite that, I did not make any such claim. Before you make an accusation, ambassador, do your research."

[Attempted Socialism]

"I checked with my people. There is exactly zero extra expenses. Perhaps if you were in compliance with extant WA resolutions, you would suffer the same non-increase in cost? Unless of course you have a low but present cost on abortifacients, in which case there will be a small, insignificant increase."

Zero extra expenses? That's wishful and dangerous thinking. As if drugs are the only expense for abortions. There are doctors fees for the check-ups, fees for various tests related to abortions, and follow up care for the woman.

"Indeed, zero. How, do you ask? Simple, we expect exactly zero extra abortions, and the ones that happen already are paid for. If you had a better system, this resolution would require zero changes for your nation as well."

[La Xinga]

"The state does not need to pay for those stuff. I don't think there's a WA resolution that says that.

"Extant WA law requires provision of medical coverage, in whole or in part, by the state for at least those who cannot afford it themselves. Further WA law compels the creation of certain social services and minimum standards of living. Despite that, I did not make any such claim. Before you make an accusation, ambassador, do your research."

OOC: It's too long to look through every WA res.

IC: Does the WA provide the way to use them?

[Separatist Peoples]

"Extant WA law requires provision of medical coverage, in whole or in part, by the state for at least those who cannot afford it themselves. Further WA law compels the creation of certain social services and minimum standards of living. Despite that, I did not make any such claim. Before you make an accusation, ambassador, do your research."

OOC: It's too long to look through every WA res.

IC: Does the WA provide the way to use them?

OOC: Your unwillingness to do research does not make you correct.

IC: "Ambassador, you are welcome to look up the laws and read the provisions for yourself."

[Kenmoria]

It's okay, I found ways to get around it without breaking WA law.

(OOC: I’m curious. What loophole have you found? The legislation looks absolutely airtight to me.

“Abortion clinics are, fortunately, partly funded by the General Accounting Office, per clause 4. As to the cost of performing the abortions themselves, this falls down to coming up with ways to reduce costs through medical advancement. I acknowledge that this is somewhat unsatisfactory, but it is the only way to ensure a lack of wealth-based discrimination.”

OOC: And if some WA nations Role-play that the world just came into existence and they are the first people?

That’s a matter for the player to decide, in terms of their roleplay. Maybe their people were incorrect, or maybe the WA suddenly sprung into existence along with the rest of creation - I can’t speak for how a player might solve this. The WA is an extradimensional demiplanar thingy, however, so exists outside the normal bounds of reality.)

[La Xinga]

OOC: It's too long to look through every WA res.

IC: Does the WA provide the way to use them?

OOC: Your unwillingness to do research does not make you correct.

IC: "Ambassador, you are welcome to look up the laws and read the provisions for yourself."

What laws?

It's okay, I found ways to get around it without breaking WA law.

(OOC: I’m curious. What loophole have you found? The legislation looks absolutely airtight to me.

OOC: And if some WA nations Role-play that the world just came into existence and they are the first people?

That’s a matter for the player to decide, in terms of their roleplay. Maybe their people were incorrect, or maybe the WA suddenly sprung into existence along with the rest of creation - I can’t speak for how a player might solve this. The WA is an extradimensional demiplanar thingy, however, so exists outside the normal bounds of reality.)

True, the WA is strange if you compare it to the roleplay war of NS.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Your unwillingness to do research does not make you correct.

IC: "Ambassador, you are welcome to look up the laws and read the provisions for yourself."

What laws?

"Those of the WA."

[La Xinga]

What laws?

"Those of the WA."

"Of course ambassador. Which one of those of the WA?"

[Separatist Peoples]

"Those of the WA."

"Of course ambassador. Which one of those of the WA?"

"Quality in Health Services, Minimum Standards of Living Act, and the Administrative Compliance Act."

[La Xinga]

"Of course ambassador. Which one of those of the WA?"

"Quality in Health Services, Minimum Standards of Living Act, and the Administrative Compliance Act."

OOC: What number are those?

[Separatist Peoples]

"Quality in Health Services, Minimum Standards of Living Act, and the Administrative Compliance Act."

OOC: What number are those?

Ooc: I don't do pro bono for other players.

[La Xinga]

OOC: What number are those?

Ooc: I don't do pro bono for other players.

OOC: I'm sorry?