"There is no evidence that a braindead person will affect another's life positively. Nor either a fetus. The advantage to ready access to abortion is that individuals can best evaluate for themselves whether the effect will be positive."
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by Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:34 pm
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:34 pm
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by Godular » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:37 pm
La xinga wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"Not all change is good. Not all change is useful."
This is referring to good, sir.Godular wrote:
"Technically, *I'M* confined to a machine. The important distinction here is whether the hypothetical individual you speak of retains their cognitive capacity. That distinction tends to be a major deciding factor in determining life or death, as we do employ the concept of brain-death in medical terminology on a routine basis."
The guy's not brain dead, sir.
by La Xinga » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:50 pm
People usually make someone happy at one point in their life.Separatist Peoples wrote:La xinga wrote:This is referring to good, sir.
"There is no evidence that a braindead person will affect another's life positively. Nor either a fetus. The advantage to ready access to abortion is that individuals can best evaluate for themselves whether the effect will be positive."
Godular wrote:
"You failed to specify. As it stands, your intended comparison fails due to the fact that under common medical definitions, the fetuses involved in an abortion are for all functional intents and purposes devoid of cognitive capacity. They lack the capacity to reason, and are even incapable of feeling pain. Attempting to base your argument on the potentiality of the fetus leads to a wide variety of inherent pitfalls, and the question about life-support has little relevance to your previously stated argument."
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:54 pm
La xinga wrote:People usually make someone happy at one point in their life.Separatist Peoples wrote:
"There is no evidence that a braindead person will affect another's life positively. Nor either a fetus. The advantage to ready access to abortion is that individuals can best evaluate for themselves whether the effect will be positive."
I think WA law legalizes abortion even if nothing's wrong with the baby.
by Godular » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:55 pm
La xinga wrote:People usually make someone happy at one point in their life.Separatist Peoples wrote:
"There is no evidence that a braindead person will affect another's life positively. Nor either a fetus. The advantage to ready access to abortion is that individuals can best evaluate for themselves whether the effect will be positive."Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:"You completely misinterpreted my words, Ambassador. Still, my point still stands."
Tell me sir, what have I misintepated?Godular wrote:
"You failed to specify. As it stands, your intended comparison fails due to the fact that under common medical definitions, the fetuses involved in an abortion are for all functional intents and purposes devoid of cognitive capacity. They lack the capacity to reason, and are even incapable of feeling pain. Attempting to base your argument on the potentiality of the fetus leads to a wide variety of inherent pitfalls, and the question about life-support has little relevance to your previously stated argument."
I think WA law legalizes abortion even if nothing's wrong with the baby.
by La Xinga » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:56 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:La xinga wrote:People usually make someone happy at one point in their life.
"Maybe. People also usually make somebody upset as well. The argument that a fetus is positive on one's life completely ignores the opposite side of the coin. Realistically, there is as much risk for harm as there is potential for good. It zeros out. As such, it is an unconvincing argument."I think WA law legalizes abortion even if nothing's wrong with the baby.
"It does."
Godular wrote:La xinga wrote:People usually make someone happy at one point in their life.
Tell me sir, what have I misintepated?
I think WA law legalizes abortion even if nothing's wrong with the baby.
"It does not matter whether there is anything wrong with the fetus, only that there is something wrong with the pregnancy. The primary issue here is that you're attempting to claim that a fetus is identical in properties to a born person on life-support, which is a flawed argument on its own but also happens to be irrelevant to the angle of argumentation you have been pursuing."
by Godular » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:02 pm
La xinga wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"Maybe. People also usually make somebody upset as well. The argument that a fetus is positive on one's life completely ignores the opposite side of the coin. Realistically, there is as much risk for harm as there is potential for good. It zeros out. As such, it is an unconvincing argument."
"It does."
1. I think the former more.
2. Exactly.Godular wrote:
"It does not matter whether there is anything wrong with the fetus, only that there is something wrong with the pregnancy. The primary issue here is that you're attempting to claim that a fetus is identical in properties to a born person on life-support, which is a flawed argument on its own but also happens to be irrelevant to the angle of argumentation you have been pursuing."
"Angle of argumentation?" Have I been living in a closed world or something?
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:05 pm
La xinga wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"Maybe. People also usually make somebody upset as well. The argument that a fetus is positive on one's life completely ignores the opposite side of the coin. Realistically, there is as much risk for harm as there is potential for good. It zeros out. As such, it is an unconvincing argument."
"It does."
1. I think the former more.
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:10 pm
La xinga wrote:People usually make someone happy at one point in their life.Separatist Peoples wrote:
"There is no evidence that a braindead person will affect another's life positively. Nor either a fetus. The advantage to ready access to abortion is that individuals can best evaluate for themselves whether the effect will be positive."
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:"You completely misinterpreted my words, Ambassador. Still, my point still stands."
Tell me sir, what have I misintepated?
Godular wrote:
"You failed to specify. As it stands, your intended comparison fails due to the fact that under common medical definitions, the fetuses involved in an abortion are for all functional intents and purposes devoid of cognitive capacity. They lack the capacity to reason, and are even incapable of feeling pain. Attempting to base your argument on the potentiality of the fetus leads to a wide variety of inherent pitfalls, and the question about life-support has little relevance to your previously stated argument."
I think WA law legalizes abortion even if nothing's wrong with the baby.
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by Theberstan » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:12 pm
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by La Xinga » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:18 pm
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:La xinga wrote:People usually make someone happy at one point in their life.
OOC: I hate saying this, but my uncle didn't do shit when he was braindead.
Tell me sir, what have I misintepated?
"It's impossible for someone who is braindead to change someone's life. I talk from exprerience."I think WA law legalizes abortion even if nothing's wrong with the baby.
It does.
by Godular » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:18 pm
by Godular » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:19 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:19 pm
La xinga wrote:It's obvious.
by Godular » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:21 pm
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:23 pm
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:La xinga wrote:People usually make someone happy at one point in their life.
OOC: I hate saying this, but my uncle didn't do shit when he was braindead.
Tell me sir, what have I misintepated?
"It's impossible for someone who is braindead to change someone's life. I talk from exprerience."I think WA law legalizes abortion even if nothing's wrong with the baby.
It does.
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by Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:26 pm
La xinga wrote:People don't make evidence off of obvious stuff.
And links are only as helpful as the people who wrote them .
by Godular » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:27 pm
by La Xinga » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:28 pm
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
OOC: I hate saying this, but my uncle didn't do shit when he was braindead.
"It's impossible for someone who is braindead to change someone's life. I talk from exprerience."
It does.
Of course, but why should abortion be allowed if there's absolutely nothing wrong?
Separatist Peoples wrote:Godular wrote:
"Or do they mean the fact that their argument lacks such things is an obvious observation?"
"Perhaps. Were it obvious, though, it would not be in dispute."La xinga wrote:People don't make evidence off of obvious stuff.
And links are only as helpful as the people who wrote them .
"People do not need to make evidence of the obvious because the evidence is readily at hand. If you do not have it at hand and cannot find any such evidence, I can only conclude that you cannot provide evidence, and therefore cannot overcome your burden of proof."
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