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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:59 pm

2 hours ago: The United Commonwealths of Imperium Anglorum submitted a proposal to the General Assembly Health Board entitled "Access to Abortion".

And it already has 23 approvals out of 70...
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Postby Fluvannia » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:04 pm

Tinhampton wrote:2 hours ago: The United Commonwealths of Imperium Anglorum submitted a proposal to the General Assembly Health Board entitled "Access to Abortion".

And it already has 23 approvals out of 70...


Definitely suspicious. Given the opening clause it’s unfortunate to see a resolution being driven by spite rather than good faith arguments.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:03 pm

Good. Full support.
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Postby Draganisia » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:30 am

I already went over this before as to why I hate abortions and believe they should be born and put up for adoption so that they have a chance to live unless the health of the mother is in fatal danger. (meaning they know she would die if they try to go through with the childbirth)

I swear if this gets to a vote and passes I will remove myself from the WA once and for all.

It's one thing to support abortion yourself (which I don't both IC and OOC) but it is entirely another to try and force everyone else to support it whether they want to or less.

Let's just say Wars have happened for less and if it does pass me and many others will go to war against those who try to enforce it.

All life is sacred.

They all deserve the chance to live whether they turn into allies or enemies.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:33 am

Draganisia wrote:force everyone else to support it whether they want to or less.

The Pro Life forces everyone to not support it, whether they want to or less.
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Postby Draganisia » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:58 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Draganisia wrote:force everyone else to support it whether they want to or less.

The Pro Life forces everyone to not support it, whether they want to or less.


Whether that is true or not it doesn't change my stance on it. Nothing ever will.

Trying to force this is a breach of National Sovereignty and will be dealt with as such if it gets to that point.

In fact a lot of the recent WA stuff has been breaches of National Sovereignty whether we agree with them or not.
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Postby Draganisia » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:22 am

OOC: Could do a RP War about it in the "International Incident" forum if it is passed. Wanted to do a sequel to the last one I started there and the WA trying to enforce it could be what starts it.

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:24 am

Fluvannia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:2 hours ago: The United Commonwealths of Imperium Anglorum submitted a proposal to the General Assembly Health Board entitled "Access to Abortion".

And it already has 23 approvals out of 70...


Definitely suspicious. Given the opening clause it’s unfortunate to see a resolution being driven by spite rather than good faith arguments.

So in your mind this is a measured response to years of shit-faith arguments, god-moding, non-creative non-compliance etc. from the anti-choice advocates?


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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:25 am

Draganisia wrote:All life is sacred... Except those who support full term abortion and probably should have been aborted themselves.

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Postby Araraukar » Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:21 am

OOC: ...can someone please explain how this thread swelled to 32 pages and if I should read the last 10 of them or is it just two sides sniping at each other?

IC: "Given that in Araraukar abortions are conducted in normal healthcenters and hospitals, is that enough to count for the purposes of this proposal, or do we have to build some special "abortion clinics"? Doing so would kinda defeat the point of having all gynecological services in the same location."

OOC: The IC thing above is how it's in Finland. I've never understood why any other way would be considered sensible.
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Postby Fluvannia » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:17 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Fluvannia wrote:
Definitely suspicious. Given the opening clause it’s unfortunate to see a resolution being driven by spite rather than good faith arguments.

So in your mind this is a measured response to years of shit-faith arguments, god-moding, non-creative non-compliance etc. from the anti-choice advocates?


In reality this measure is the bad-faith argument.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:20 am

Araraukar wrote:IC: "Given that in Araraukar abortions are conducted in normal healthcenters and hospitals, is that enough to count for the purposes of this proposal, or do we have to build some special "abortion clinics"? Doing so would kinda defeat the point of having all gynecological services in the same location."

Other nations which do that are compliant with the resolution already, if they further comply with section 2. However, because of section 24601, the nation of Araraukar will be required to ordain new temples to Jupiter in every hamlet, create new abortion clinics every five square miles, and must contract those services to Javert Construction Enterprises Limited.

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Postby Atheris » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:22 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Araraukar wrote:IC: "Given that in Araraukar abortions are conducted in normal healthcenters and hospitals, is that enough to count for the purposes of this proposal, or do we have to build some special "abortion clinics"? Doing so would kinda defeat the point of having all gynecological services in the same location."

Other nations which do that are compliant with the resolution already, if they further comply with section 2. However, because of section 24601, the nation of Araraukar will be required to ordain new temples to Jupiter in every hamlet, create new abortion clinics every five square miles, and must contract those services to Javert Construction Enterprises Limited.

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Postby Ardiveds » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:23 am

OOC: With the amount of vitriol in this thread, one can only imagine the verbal bloodshed that will occur should this proposal reach quorum.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:30 am

We should start a pool for legality challenges.

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Postby Araraukar » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:55 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:*nip*

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Postby La xinga » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:08 am

OOC: Why should the state pay for abortion and contraception but not stuff like kidney transplants?
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:11 am

La xinga wrote:OOC: Why should the state pay for abortion and contraception but not stuff like kidney transplants?

Abortion doesn’t mean waiting for years for someone with a compatible match or anything.
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Postby La xinga » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:12 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
La xinga wrote:OOC: Why should the state pay for abortion and contraception but not stuff like kidney transplants?

Abortion doesn’t mean waiting for years for someone with a compatible match or anything.

What does that have to do with anything??
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Postby Ardiveds » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:14 am

La xinga wrote:OOC: Why should the state pay for abortion and contraception but not stuff like kidney transplants?

OOC: I don't know about abortion but the state should definitely pay for contraception, its benifits in preventing STDs and overpopulation definitely make it something any reasonably state should pay for.
Edit: plus contraception reduces the need for abortion.
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Postby Fluvannia » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:14 am

La xinga wrote:OOC: Why should the state pay for abortion and contraception but not stuff like kidney transplants?


They shouldn’t.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:17 am

La xinga wrote:OOC: Why should the state pay for abortion and contraception but not stuff like kidney transplants?

Ooc: if there was a big issue with states deliberately making kidney transplants too expensive to get, we likely would. That has not been a policy issue in the GA.

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