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by United Dependencies » Wed May 20, 2020 11:58 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:"That is my personal analysis and a fair reading, ambassador. I suspect you'd be hard pressed to argue otherwise."
Clinics must provide ... free childcare to any address serviceable by post within a member...
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by United Dependencies » Wed May 20, 2020 12:00 pm
Romextly wrote:I mean what about the nations who have no abortions. Does that force them to pay the people to leave the country?
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by Separatist Peoples » Wed May 20, 2020 1:07 pm
United Dependencies wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"That is my personal analysis and a fair reading, ambassador. I suspect you'd be hard pressed to argue otherwise."
Well Hon. ambassador, I don't disagree with your interpretation. However I do differ with your statement that you would be hard pressed to argue otherwise.
The plain language of section 4b says:Clinics must provide ... free childcare to any address serviceable by post within a member...
We can see from the text that clinics are required to provide childcare and it is required that it be free. The only limitation stated in the section is that service be provided to someone who lives at an address serviceable by a nation's post office (i.e. within the borders of the nation).
It seems quite possible that such open ended language would require the provision of childcare on a longer, possibly indefinite, basis since the text itself does not provide any such limitation. While I do again reiterate my agreement with the Hon. Ambassador's reading of section 4b, I think there is a concern that higher judicial authorities may interpret the duties of the clinic in the way I just explained.
by The New California Republic » Wed May 20, 2020 5:32 pm
Status: Quorum Reached: In Queue
by Ardiveds » Wed May 20, 2020 6:28 pm
by Wallenburg » Wed May 20, 2020 9:27 pm
Ardiveds wrote:OOC: Been reading the whole thread for last couple days. Truely the gift that keeps on giving. And since this is in queue...
IC: "Abortion has been legal in Ardiveds long before any resolution regarding it existed. Abortion after foetal viability remains controversial even in our nation but our issue with this resolution is that we simply do not see it as being important enough to warrant making it free for everyone. It's already affordable enough that the vast majority of our citizens can access it without much trouble and this will probably warrant a tax increase, which I'm sure our citizens don't want. We stand Opposed."
--- Kaiser
by Ardiveds » Wed May 20, 2020 9:46 pm
by Slaughter None » Wed May 20, 2020 9:50 pm
by Kenmoria » Thu May 21, 2020 4:11 am
Ardiveds wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"The funding mechanism for this draws revenue as an inverse function to the availability of abortion services in member states. If abortion truly is easily accessible in your nation, you will not see much impact."
"Ambassador, would you please elaborate on what you said?"
by Logon » Thu May 21, 2020 12:56 pm
Slaughter none wrote:OOC:Abortion was already legal but now the nations also have to pay for it??. This Proposal is only a way to spite and make fun of the Pro Life people in the forum, Completely and utterly opposed.
by Ardiveds » Thu May 21, 2020 12:59 pm
Kenmoria wrote:Ardiveds wrote:"Ambassador, would you please elaborate on what you said?"
“If I may clarify for the ambassador, the proposal requires member nations to provide abortion services to individuals. If there are already numerous ways to acquire an abortion and such ways are easily accessible, then the member state will have already provided such services. It is only in the eventuality that abortions are not easily accessible that member states will be forced to fund alternatives.”
by Attempted Socialism » Thu May 21, 2020 1:18 pm
Logon wrote:Slaughter none wrote:OOC:Abortion was already legal but now the nations also have to pay for it??. This Proposal is only a way to spite and make fun of the Pro Life people in the forum, Completely and utterly opposed.
They openly admitted this is just to spite the pro-life crowd.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1375523
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by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu May 21, 2020 1:32 pm
Attempted Socialism wrote:Logon wrote:
They openly admitted this is just to spite the pro-life crowd.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1375523
"You are making connections that do not exist. Instead, is has consistently been the anti-choice delegations who has submitted repeals to spite the pro-choice nations."
by Logon » Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm
Attempted Socialism wrote:Logon wrote:
They openly admitted this is just to spite the pro-life crowd.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1375523
"You are making connections that do not exist. Instead, is has consistently been the anti-choice delegations who has submitted repeals to spite the pro-choice nations."
by Separatist Peoples » Thu May 21, 2020 1:46 pm
Logon wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:"You are making connections that do not exist. Instead, is has consistently been the anti-choice delegations who has submitted repeals to spite the pro-choice nations."
"You really are going to look at a resolution taken word for word from an ONION article, with screenshots of them saying "oh it's so fun to piss of the Christianity Brigade" and then try and tell me this is NOT an attempt to spite us?"
by Logon » Thu May 21, 2020 1:49 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Logon wrote:
"You really are going to look at a resolution taken word for word from an ONION article, with screenshots of them saying "oh it's so fun to piss of the Christianity Brigade" and then try and tell me this is NOT an attempt to spite us?"
Ooc: yep. It's easy to find connection when you're making them up. UM did us the favor of showing plenty of context: shitposting and joking. A year before MG's repeal attempt.
Such spite. Much motive. Wow.
Further, IA isnt even in that.
by United Massachusetts » Thu May 21, 2020 1:50 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Logon wrote:
"You really are going to look at a resolution taken word for word from an ONION article, with screenshots of them saying "oh it's so fun to piss of the Christianity Brigade" and then try and tell me this is NOT an attempt to spite us?"
Ooc: yep. It's easy to find connection when you're making them up. UM did us the favor of showing plenty of context: shitposting and joking. A year before MG's repeal attempt.
Such spite. Much motive. Wow.
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu May 21, 2020 1:53 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Logon wrote:
"You really are going to look at a resolution taken word for word from an ONION article, with screenshots of them saying "oh it's so fun to piss of the Christianity Brigade" and then try and tell me this is NOT an attempt to spite us?"
Ooc: yep. It's easy to find connection when you're making them up. UM did us the favor of showing plenty of context: shitposting and joking. A year before MG's repeal attempt.
Such spite. Much motive. Wow.
Further, IA isnt even in that.
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu May 21, 2020 1:55 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Thu May 21, 2020 1:56 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: yep. It's easy to find connection when you're making them up. UM did us the favor of showing plenty of context: shitposting and joking. A year before MG's repeal attempt.
Such spite. Much motive. Wow.
OOC: That this resolution was fundamentally borne out of insensitive joking about a painful real-world situation is true. In fact, this same concept -- the very one IA used as a serious resolution until he realised it wouldn't gather support -- was first laid forth in the joke thread, giving credit to The Onion. And you in particular are on record as telling MG that this was "punishment." So yes, it is spite. Worse still, spite borne out of insensitivity.
Logon wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: yep. It's easy to find connection when you're making them up. UM did us the favor of showing plenty of context: shitposting and joking. A year before MG's repeal attempt.
Such spite. Much motive. Wow.
Further, IA isnt even in that.
OOC: Yeah that argument MIGHT hold up if it weren't for the fact that the entire resolution is lifted from a satirical website.
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: yep. It's easy to find connection when you're making them up. UM did us the favor of showing plenty of context: shitposting and joking. A year before MG's repeal attempt.
Such spite. Much motive. Wow.
Further, IA isnt even in that.
OOC:
Why was it taken word for word from an Onion article then?
Also why not force classist states to fund life-saving stuff for the poor,
transphobic States to fund gender re-assignment etc.?
I feel there is a sinister obsession with abortion.
Explainable by hatred for people who have a slighty different definition of when life starts or possibly some kind of perversion.
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:OOC:
And about embargoes: large empires (which might depend mostly on internal trade) and slaver-states (whose commerce is already non-compliant and highly lucrative) would be able to cope.
by Logon » Thu May 21, 2020 2:00 pm
by Logon » Thu May 21, 2020 2:05 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: except it isnt. You'd be hard pressed to take the submitted draft and find useful comparisons.
by Separatist Peoples » Thu May 21, 2020 2:07 pm
Logon wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: except it isnt. You'd be hard pressed to take the submitted draft and find useful comparisons.
I present to you: https://www.theonion.com/planned-parent ... 1819572640
This article, published 5/18/11 on the Onion (a satirical website for those who don't know) details a Planned Parenthood "abortionplex" featuring bars, shops, and a lazy river.
This resolution was clearly taken from the Onion, ironic as this article was making fun of anti-life/pro-death extremism.
by The New California Republic » Thu May 21, 2020 2:07 pm
Logon wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: except it isnt. You'd be hard pressed to take the submitted draft and find useful comparisons.
I present to you: https://www.theonion.com/planned-parent ... 1819572640
This article, published 5/18/11 on the Onion (a satirical website for those who don't know) details a Planned Parenthood "abortionplex" featuring bars, shops, and a lazy river.
This resolution was clearly taken from the Onion, ironic as this article was making fun of anti-life/pro-death extremism.
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