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Logon
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Postby Logon » Tue May 19, 2020 5:26 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:I am against it. In fact, it was written in order to spite me, by the admission of the resolution's proponents.

You have an overinflated sense of self-importance to think this is a personal jab at you specifically.


UM has been one of the most vocal pro-lifers in the WA. Not crazy to think it's aimed at UM then.

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Postby La xinga » Tue May 19, 2020 5:28 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
La xinga wrote:Imperium A.?

Its proponents. They've said several times that this is "punishment" for our attempts to repeal so-called "Reproductive Freedoms."

I voted for that, but what does this do more than the resolution you tried to repeal?
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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue May 19, 2020 5:28 pm

La xinga wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Its proponents. They've said several times that this is "punishment" for our attempts to repeal so-called "Reproductive Freedoms."

I voted for that, but what does this do more than the resolution you tried to repeal?

This forces nations to pay for abortion.

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La xinga
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Postby La xinga » Tue May 19, 2020 5:30 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
La xinga wrote:I voted for that, but what does this do more than the resolution you tried to repeal?

This forces nations to pay for abortion.

So my nation is essentially paying for the deaths of children? :?
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue May 19, 2020 5:31 pm

La xinga wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:This forces nations to pay for abortion.

So my nation is essentially paying for the deaths of children? :?

If this passes, yes.

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Postby La xinga » Tue May 19, 2020 5:32 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
La xinga wrote:So my nation is essentially paying for the deaths of children? :?

If this passes, yes.

I am going to vomit.
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Postby Morover » Tue May 19, 2020 5:33 pm

La xinga wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:This forces nations to pay for abortion.

So my nation is essentially paying for the deaths of children? :?

No, it wouldn't pay directly. That's ridiculous. It would make you pay!

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Postby La xinga » Tue May 19, 2020 5:34 pm

Morover wrote:
La xinga wrote:So my nation is essentially paying for the deaths of children? :?

No, it wouldn't pay directly. That's ridiculous. It would make you pay!

Great. That's even worse.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 19, 2020 5:35 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
La xinga wrote:I voted for that, but what does this do more than the resolution you tried to repeal?

This forces nations to pay for abortion.

And contraceptives.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue May 19, 2020 5:37 pm

La xinga wrote:
Morover wrote:No, it wouldn't pay directly. That's ridiculous. It would make you pay!

Great. That's even worse.

OOC: players can resign from the WA on demand.

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Postby Logon » Tue May 19, 2020 5:37 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:This forces nations to pay for abortion.

And contraceptives.


Our main issue here is abortion, contraceptives are a whole other kettle of fish.

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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue May 19, 2020 5:38 pm

Logon wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:And contraceptives.


Our main issue here is abortion, contraceptives are a whole other kettle of fish.

"The WA has trended increasingly sex-positive and sexually liberated with each passing year, ambassador. I would not hold out hope that your concerns about abortion and contraceptives are going end up assuaged."
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Postby La xinga » Tue May 19, 2020 5:40 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Logon wrote:
Our main issue here is abortion, contraceptives are a whole other kettle of fish.

"The WA has trended increasingly sex-positive and sexually liberated with each passing year, ambassador. I would not hold out hope that your concerns about abortion and contraceptives are going end up assuaged."
LOL, I know I hate that! :lol:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
La xinga wrote:Great. That's even worse.

OOC: players can resign from the WA on demand.
I know. I don't even pay attention to WA resolutions, and make my decisions and factbooks without them.
Wallenburg wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:This forces nations to pay for abortion.

And contraceptives.

My nation banned that. That wouldn't even make sense for my nation.
He created everything, and he was forever and will always be. He is perfect and his word is always true. He will never change his word, and YOU would not be reading this signature if it was not for him to allow your eyes to see!
Average religious person. Nothing collided with nothing, the Almighty did everything, and the world is 5781 years old. Deal with it.
No, please don't argue! I'm innocent!

Yes, we may too, may all of us be innocent.

Unless you're not...

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Hi, The east pacific!
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ALL LIVES MATTER!

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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue May 19, 2020 5:40 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Logon wrote:
Our main issue here is abortion, contraceptives are a whole other kettle of fish.

"The WA has trended increasingly sex-positive and sexually liberated with each passing year, ambassador. I would not hold out hope that your concerns about abortion and contraceptives are going end up assuaged."

Women's liberation cannot be bought with the blood of their children.

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Logon
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Postby Logon » Tue May 19, 2020 5:40 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Logon wrote:
Our main issue here is abortion, contraceptives are a whole other kettle of fish.

"The WA has trended increasingly sex-positive and sexually liberated with each passing year, ambassador. I would not hold out hope that your concerns about abortion and contraceptives are going end up assuaged."


Ah so you'll dress up abortion under the guise of sexual liberation? Wonderful. Shall we now force legalization of theft under the guise of property liberation? Execution under the guise of criminal liberation? Slapping a pretty label doesn't make it a pretty concept.

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Stellonia
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Postby Stellonia » Tue May 19, 2020 5:41 pm

Logon wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:And contraceptives.

Our main issue here is abortion, contraceptives are a whole other kettle of fish.

OOC: I think that it is worth noting that no one opposes funding for contraception and sex change operations half as vigorously as we oppose funding for abortion. I, for one, am fighting in favor of the former. What does that say about the idea that opposing abortion is merely about "controlling women's bodies"?

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Postby Fluvannia » Tue May 19, 2020 5:41 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
La xinga wrote:Great. That's even worse.

OOC: players can resign from the WA on demand.


OOC: When your side either wants to silence the opposition or force them out of an organization, that's probably a sign to look in the mirror.
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Postby Logon » Tue May 19, 2020 5:42 pm

Stellonia wrote:
Logon wrote:Our main issue here is abortion, contraceptives are a whole other kettle of fish.

OOC: I think that it is worth noting that no one opposes funding for contraception and sex change operations half as vigorously as we oppose funding for abortion. I, for one, am fighting in favor of the former. What does that say about the idea that opposing abortion is merely about "controlling women's bodies"?


OOC: Exactly. I support contraceptive use over abortions! I'm not a tyrant seeking to make women into breeding machines, just someone who feels it is wrong to end a human life.

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 19, 2020 5:42 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"The WA has trended increasingly sex-positive and sexually liberated with each passing year, ambassador. I would not hold out hope that your concerns about abortion and contraceptives are going end up assuaged."

Women's liberation cannot be bought with the blood of their children.

IIRC, it's their own blood (if the fetus even has blood at the time of abortion), since the fetus and the parent share a circulatory system?
THERE IS NO WAR IN BA SING SE
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Logon
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Postby Logon » Tue May 19, 2020 5:43 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Women's liberation cannot be bought with the blood of their children.

IIRC, it's their own blood (if the fetus even has blood at the time of abortion), since the fetus and the parent share a circulatory system?


They don't. In fact, there can be problems in pregnancy if the fetus and mother have differing and conflicting blood types.

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Postby La xinga » Tue May 19, 2020 5:44 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Women's liberation cannot be bought with the blood of their children.

IIRC, it's their own blood (if the fetus even has blood at the time of abortion), since the fetus and the parent share a circulatory system?

My religion has it that the soul enters the fetus in less than 40 days. Unless the resolution says "Only abortions under 40 days" then I'm ain't supportin' it.
He created everything, and he was forever and will always be. He is perfect and his word is always true. He will never change his word, and YOU would not be reading this signature if it was not for him to allow your eyes to see!
Average religious person. Nothing collided with nothing, the Almighty did everything, and the world is 5781 years old. Deal with it.
No, please don't argue! I'm innocent!

Yes, we may too, may all of us be innocent.

Unless you're not...

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Hi, The east pacific!
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ALL LIVES MATTER!

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Separatist Peoples
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue May 19, 2020 5:45 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"The WA has trended increasingly sex-positive and sexually liberated with each passing year, ambassador. I would not hold out hope that your concerns about abortion and contraceptives are going end up assuaged."

Women's liberation cannot be bought with the blood of their children.

OOC: Pretty rhetoric, but ultimately just that.

La xinga wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:IIRC, it's their own blood (if the fetus even has blood at the time of abortion), since the fetus and the parent share a circulatory system?

My religion has it that the soul enters the fetus in less than 40 days. Unless the resolution says "Only abortions under 40 days" then I'm ain't supportin' it.

"Ambassador, nobody is trying to change your mind here. Your objection is noted and, from what I can gather, ignored."

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Postby Logon » Tue May 19, 2020 5:47 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Women's liberation cannot be bought with the blood of their children.

OOC: Pretty rhetoric, but ultimately just that.

So is "a woman's right to choose" and "it's her choice", or my own favorite "you just want to control women's bodies"

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Postby Fluvannia » Tue May 19, 2020 5:48 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Pretty rhetoric, but ultimately just that.

"Ambassador, nobody is trying to change your mind here. Your objection is noted and, from what I can gather, ignored."


When Ambassadors conduct themselves in such a manner, it should be no surprise to them when others naturally wish to oppose them. Such rude behavior is unbecoming in this chamber.
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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue May 19, 2020 5:49 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Women's liberation cannot be bought with the blood of their children.

OOC: Pretty rhetoric, but ultimately just that.

OOC: No, no, no. This is how the process of dehumanisation works. You tell one group of people that they will be better off by letting another be exploited. Women's liberation is no reason to pursue the destruction of human persons.

And furthermore, abortion isn't liberation to begin with, for a myriad of reasons.

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