[PASSED] Access to Abortion

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

You want to resurrect magical compliance? lol good luck.

Can we? It might get rid of the anti-choice lobby once and for all.

[Separatist Peoples]

>pride
>6 years of failure

That's one way to spin it.

"If absolute certainty of success should be the defining prerequisite of whether something is to be attempted, then nothing of any sort will ever be accomplished.

Furthermore, may I remind the delegates that resolutions cannot be brought to a vote before this body without some sense of a widespread desire to have the issue deliberated on by this Assembly. If there is no appetite for continued discussion of an issue, then it won't receive the requisite number of approvals. Evidently, this Body still deems it of merit to periodically bring up."

"Ambassador, convincing 6% of all delegates to approve something is not the high bar you think it is, unless World Assembly Space Administration constitutes an issue of merit. Holding up this lowest of bars as an excuse for six years of repeated failure is not the rhetorical reversal you think it is. Especially when your side has to target low information delegates."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Especially when your side has to target low information delegates."

I mean by the end of this approval period I wouldn't be surprised if the anti-choice crowd ended up telegramming delegates with lies such as:

• it pushes couples into puddles!
• it takes candies from babies!
• it kills all bills!
• it stops cops!
• it accosts those who use pot!
• it forces Diogenes to do pilates!
• it throw Bond in the pond!
• it rhymes with the times!
• it makes Rome groan!

And some applause for the telegram from Trillmore, who fails to connect the fines and sanctions he mentions in Admin Compliance Act to... compliance. Why ban slavery when the slave states won't comply? We will never know the minds of the ancients.

[Norastan]

This should be more of a national issue than a international issue.

[Kenmoria]

This should be more of a national issue than a international issue.

(OOC: This concerns universal rights, which exist on an international basis. Therefore, it is very much an international issue.)

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

"Ambassador, convincing 6% of all delegates to approve something is not the high bar you think it is, unless World Assembly Space Administration constitutes an issue of merit. Holding up this lowest of bars as an excuse for six years of repeated failure is not the rhetorical reversal you think it is. Especially when your side has to target low information delegates."

The failure lies with the anti-life States that refuse to acknowledge that abortion deprives an unborn baby of their Future. Abortion is murder, hence the murder of a pregnant woman in many jurisdictions counts as a double murder. If one voluntarily engages in sexual activity, one cannot refuse to accept its consequences and murder the unborn baby on the basis that raising the baby would cause discomfort.

--Saint Gerard Majella, C.Ss.R., patron of the unborn children
Senior consuasor ad Sancti Imperium

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

"The delegation of Imperium Anglorum is greatly misguided in seeking to make abortions free rather than seeking to make life-saving procedures free. The latter is a far nobler goal, even from the perspective of the staunchest and most enthusiastic supporter of abortion. It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

"That goal can be accomplished still, ambassador. That there are viable alternatives does not obviate the need for resolutions."

OOC: that's a good point.
Are there any resolutions for free healthcare in general?

Also, I believe abortion rights will be what leads people out of the WA.

Ooc: this is an unconvincing argument. For one, nations that stuck around despite GARs#128 and 286 probably don't care. For another, you can use this argument to argue against any civil right: we cant ban slavery because we cant have slavers leaving. We cant ban fascism because we dont want fascists leaving. We cant ban pedophilia because we dont want anarchists leaving. Its not a convincing argument against this policy.

OOC: however you view it being pro-life is more common in the World Assembly than being pro-slavery or pro-pedophilia.
Also some nations openly break the rules and then trade with non-members.

[Wallenburg]

>pride
>6 years of failure

That's one way to spin it.

"If absolute certainty of success should be the defining prerequisite of whether something is to be attempted, then nothing of any sort will ever be accomplished.

"The effort to repeal 'Reproductive Freedoms' is not merely not certain to succeed. It is certain to fail. Success is impossible. And that is a good thing, else this body fail the people of its member states on that issue as well."

Furthermore, may I remind the delegates that resolutions cannot be brought to a vote before this body without some sense of a widespread desire to have the issue deliberated on by this Assembly. If there is no appetite for continued discussion of an issue, then it won't receive the requisite number of approvals. Evidently, this Body still deems it of merit to periodically bring up."

"Without a determined countercampaign, any trash proposal can be brought to Vote."

[Marxist Germany]

You want to resurrect magical compliance? lol good luck.

Can we? It might get rid of the anti-choice lobby once and for all.

OOC: anti-"choice" is a needlessly haughty and inflammatory term.

[Wallenburg]

Can we? It might get rid of the anti-choice lobby once and for all.

OOC: anti-"choice" is a needlessly haughty and inflammatory term.

If being accurate is haughty and inflammatory, I think I can live with that.

[Marxist Germany]

"If absolute certainty of success should be the defining prerequisite of whether something is to be attempted, then nothing of any sort will ever be accomplished.

"The effort to repeal 'Reproductive Freedoms' is not merely not certain to succeed. It is certain to fail. Success is impossible. And that is a good thing, else this body fail the people of its member states on that issue as well."

Furthermore, may I remind the delegates that resolutions cannot be brought to a vote before this body without some sense of a widespread desire to have the issue deliberated on by this Assembly. If there is no appetite for continued discussion of an issue, then it won't receive the requisite number of approvals. Evidently, this Body still deems it of merit to periodically bring up."

"Without a determined countercampaign, any trash proposal can be brought to Vote."

"I'd like to point out that the most recent repeal stood a dedicated counter campaign and several raids conducted to topple approving delegates."

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Can we? It might get rid of the anti-choice lobby once and for all.

OOC: anti-"choice" is a needlessly haughty and inflammatory term.

If I stop using it will you leave the WA and take your friends with you?

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: anti-"choice" is a needlessly haughty and inflammatory term.

If I stop using it will you leave the WA and take your friends with you?

OOC: Never.

[Stellonia]

Especially when your side has to target low information delegates."

I mean by the end of this approval period I wouldn't be surprised if the anti-choice crowd ended up telegramming delegates with lies such as:

• it pushes couples into puddles!
• it takes candies from babies!
• it kills all bills!
• it stops cops!
• it accosts those who use pot!
• it forces Diogenes to do pilates!
• it throw Bond in the pond!
• it rhymes with the times!
• it makes Rome groan!

OOC: Since you and Separatist Peoplee are evidently privy to the contents of some mass telegram that pro-lifers have sent to criticize your proposal, could one of you be willing to share the contents of that telegram so we could see what "lies" and "false information" it contains? I have also heard that you sent one or two mass telegrams of your own. Could you share the contents of that or those telegrams?

Can we? It might get rid of the anti-choice lobby once and for all.

OOC: anti-"choice" is a needlessly haughty and inflammatory term.

Why do you think they are so insistent upon using it, if not to be haughty and inflammatory?

OOC: anti-"choice" is a needlessly haughty and inflammatory term.

If being accurate is haughty and inflammatory, I think I can live with that.

"Anti-choice" is as accurate when used in relation to opponents of abortion as when used in relation to opponents of school choice, opponents of the choice to use drugs, or opponents of any other choice. That is to say, it is maybe accurate in the most literal sense, but it is misleading and imprecise.

Unless, of course, you are willing to call yourself "anti-choice" in relation to the choice of how nations address the issue of abortion.

[Auze]

OOC: anti-"choice" is a needlessly haughty and inflammatory term.

If I stop using it will you leave the WA and take your friends with you?

“Look, guys. If you want them to stop, just make it legal to abort adults! It’s that simple, and I have no clue why the WA hasn’t allowed it yet.”

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

OOC: anti-"choice" is a needlessly haughty and inflammatory term.

If being accurate is haughty and inflammatory, I think I can live with that.

I then suggest we call those in favour of speed limits anti-choice.

--Saint Gerard Majella, C.Ss.R., patron of the unborn children
Senior consuasor ad Sancti Imperium

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

If being accurate is haughty and inflammatory, I think I can live with that.

I then suggest we call those in favour of speed limits anti-choice.

--Saint Gerard Majella, C.Ss.R., patron of the unborn children
Senior consuasor ad Sancti Imperium

OOC:
You throughly roasted them!

[Christian Democrats]

"The delegation of Imperium Anglorum is greatly misguided in seeking to make abortions free rather than seeking to make life-saving procedures free. The latter is a far nobler goal, even from the perspective of the staunchest and most enthusiastic supporter of abortion. It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

Indeed. Abortion's proponents say that abortion is a regular medical procedure, just like any other. At the same time, it's the only procedure they single out for special attention, special protection, and special funding. If anyone were to choose one procedure on which to focus, you'd think it would be something that prolongs or improves human life rather than destroys it.

[Stellonia]

If being accurate is haughty and inflammatory, I think I can live with that.

I then suggest we call those in favour of speed limits anti-choice.

--Saint Gerard Majella, C.Ss.R., patron of the unborn children
Senior consuasor ad Sancti Imperium

OOC: "What do you mean I can't choose to drive 180 kilometers per hour?"

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

If I stop using it will you leave the WA and take your friends with you?

OOC: Never.

Then I have no reason to stop saying anti-choice.

Why do you think they are so insistent upon using it, if not to be haughty and inflammatory?

Accusations of misconduct, of which inflammatory would appear to come under, belong in the moderation forum

[Separatist Peoples]

"The effort to repeal 'Reproductive Freedoms' is not merely not certain to succeed. It is certain to fail. Success is impossible. And that is a good thing, else this body fail the people of its member states on that issue as well."

"Without a determined countercampaign, any trash proposal can be brought to Vote."

"I'd like to point out that the most recent repeal stood a dedicated counter campaign and several raids conducted to topple approving delegates."

"Ambassador, the victory condition of RP getting to vote was to convince 6% of delegates to approve. The victory condition of those trying to convince more than 94% of delegates to not approve. To the extent that the anti-choice crew succeeded, it was because their victory condition was comparably low. When the win condition raised to more than half, your side lost. Significantly. Do not conflate an easy win condition for a victory of merit."

[Separatist Peoples]

I then suggest we call those in favour of speed limits anti-choice.

--Saint Gerard Majella, C.Ss.R., patron of the unborn children
Senior consuasor ad Sancti Imperium

OOC:
You throughly roasted them!

OOC: This is what passes for a roasting?

[Pangurstan]

"The delegation of Imperium Anglorum is greatly misguided in seeking to make abortions free rather than seeking to make life-saving procedures free. The latter is a far nobler goal, even from the perspective of the staunchest and most enthusiastic supporter of abortion. It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

Indeed. Abortion's proponents say that abortion is a regular medical procedure, just like any other. At the same time, it's the only procedure they single out for special attention, special protection, and special funding. If anyone were to choose one procedure on which to focus, you'd think it would be something that prolongs or improves human life rather than destroys it.

It’s the only medical procedure that is singled out for special protection from being banned, because it’s the only medical procedure that people like you try to ban.

[Stellonia]

OOC:
You throughly roasted them!

OOC: This is what passes for a roasting?

OOC: Perhaps not a roasting, but certainly an illustration of why "anti-choice" is a poor label.

[Separatist Peoples]

Indeed. Abortion's proponents say that abortion is a regular medical procedure, just like any other. At the same time, it's the only procedure they single out for special attention, special protection, and special funding. If anyone were to choose one procedure on which to focus, you'd think it would be something that prolongs or improves human life rather than destroys it.

It’s the only medical procedure that is singled out for special protection from being banned, because it’s the only medical procedure that people like you try to ban.

"Thank you, ambassador. You were more succinct than I would have been."