[PASSED] Access to Abortion

by **Sokala** » Fri May 01, 2020 7:42 pm

I'd change the abortion definition to

Abortion is the ending of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus before it can survive outside the uterus.

by **Kenmoria** » Sat May 02, 2020 2:57 am

Sokala wrote:I'd change the abortion definition to

Abortion is the ending of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus before it can survive outside the uterus.

(OOC: That definition would only count for abortions performed in the first and second trimesters, and therefore wouldn’t be complete.)

by **Marxist Germany** » Sat May 02, 2020 5:46 am

The ethno-state of Trashys wrote:OOC: I would support this but it contradicts "reproductive rights." in allowing an an on sex selective abortions.
You'd have to repeal that first

OOC: Clause 6 is actually useless because member-states cannot restrict abortion on the basis on sex-selectivity unless they do so for every medical procedure.

by **The Nation of the People of the Nation** » Tue May 05, 2020 9:07 am

Does the author plan to submit in the near future?

by **The New California Republic** » Tue May 05, 2020 9:54 am

The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:Does the author plan to submit in the near future?

It was submitted last week, but withdrawn for more edits, so I assume so.

by **Stellonia** » Mon May 18, 2020 5:28 pm

"The delegation of Imperium Anglorum is greatly misguided in seeking to make abortions free rather than seeking to make life-saving procedures free. The latter is a far nobler goal, even from the perspective of the staunchest and most enthusiastic supporter of abortion. It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

by **Slaughter None** » Mon May 18, 2020 9:23 pm

The New Sicilian State wrote:"No."

Same

by **The ethno-state of Trashys** » Tue May 19, 2020 1:59 am

Stellonia wrote:"The delegation of Imperium Anglorum is greatly misguided in seeking to make abortions free rather than seeking to make life-saving procedures free. The latter is a far nobler goal, even from the perspective of the staunchest and most enthusiastic supporter of abortion. It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

OOC: that's a good point.
Are there any resolutions for free healthcare in general?

Also, I believe abortion rights will be what leads people out of the WA.

by **Separatist Peoples** » Tue May 19, 2020 3:54 am

Stellonia wrote:"The delegation of Imperium Anglorum is greatly misguided in seeking to make abortions free rather than seeking to make life-saving procedures free. The latter is a far nobler goal, even from the perspective of the staunchest and most enthusiastic supporter of abortion. It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

"That goal can be accomplished still, ambassador. That there are viable alternatives does not obviate the need for resolutions."

The ethno-state of Trashys wrote:
Stellonia wrote:"The delegation of Imperium Anglorum is greatly misguided in seeking to make abortions free rather than seeking to make life-saving procedures free. The latter is a far nobler goal, even from the perspective of the staunchest and most enthusiastic supporter of abortion. It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

OOC: that's a good point.
Are there any resolutions for free healthcare in general?

Also, I believe abortion rights will be what leads people out of the WA.

Ooc: this is an unconvincing argument. For one, nations that stuck around despite GARs#128 and 286 probably don't care. For another, you can use this argument to argue against any civil right: we cant ban slavery because we cant have slavers leaving. We cant ban fascism because we dont want fascists leaving. We cant ban pedophilia because we dont want anarchists leaving. Its not a convincing argument against this policy.

by **Vampiric Hollandia** » Tue May 19, 2020 4:55 am

Vampiric Hollandia is opposed to this draft. The few vampires of Vampiric Hollandia that can actually create offspring should not have the option to abortion or our species might go extinct if we find ourselves in war or a terrible disaster.

by **Tinhampton** » Tue May 19, 2020 5:10 am

This has been [SUBMITTED] as of 23:22 BST yesterday.

Still opposed. The description of WA Choice Plus funding in Article 4 gives off the impression that no WA member state offers "adequate access to abortion."

by **Sierra Lyricalia** » Tue May 19, 2020 6:28 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:We cant ban pedophilia because we dont want anarchists leaving.

by **Separatist Peoples** » Tue May 19, 2020 7:12 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:We cant ban pedophilia because we dont want anarchists leaving.

Ooc: the bad kind of anarchists who think there should be chaos. Not the good kind.

by **Imperium Anglorum** » Tue May 19, 2020 7:48 am

Stellonia wrote:It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

Right to Life and associates:

Stellonia

It's not me. It's you.

by **Stellonia** » Tue May 19, 2020 7:56 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Stellonia wrote:It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

Right to Life and associates:

How about we repeal On Abortion? (2 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (02 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (26 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Apr 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (27 Apr 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (03 Jul 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (09 Sep 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Sep 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (13 Jan 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Jan 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Apr 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (12 Jun 2015 and by Stellonia of all people, who at the time was running in Right to Life for president and also featured the repeal heavily in campaign material during run for president)
How about we repeal RF? (30 Jul 2015 and by Stellonia again)
How about we repeal RF? (19 Aug 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (14 Oct 2015 and by Stellonia a third time)
How about we repeal On Abortion? (14 Nov 2015 by Stellonia a fourth time)
How about we repeal On Abortion? (18 Nov 2015 by Stellonia a fifth time)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Apr 2016)
How about we repeal RF? (26 May 2016 by United Massachusetts)
How about we repeal RF? (21 Oct 2016)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Apr 2017 by United Massachusetts a second time)
How about we repeal RF? (06 Aug 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (07 Aug 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (22 Sep 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (22 Jan 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (09 Mar 2018, same author as preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (30 Jul 2018 by United Massachusetts a third time)
How about we repeal RF? (07 Sep 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Sep 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (01 Oct 2018, same author as preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Feb 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Mar 2019, by Marxist Germany)
How about we repeal RF? (12 Apr 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Apr 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (06 May 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (06 May 2019, different author from preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (05 Jun 2019, mentioned in United Massachusetts' summer agenda)
How about we repeal RF? (01 Aug 2019, by Marxist Germany again)
How about we repeal RF? (02 Oct 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Mar 2020)
It's not me. It's you.

"We think the issue of abortion is too complex to be legislated by the World Assembly. You think it is so simple and clear that you can initiate sweeping 'reforms' on this issue and scorn everyone who disagrees with them.

"Once again, you have failed to explain why you devote your priorities to making abortion free rather than making free other procedures that save lives. We think that this is a reasonable question to ask of you."

by **Separatist Peoples** » Tue May 19, 2020 8:20 am

Stellonia wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Right to Life and associates:

How about we repeal On Abortion? (2 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (02 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (26 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Apr 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (27 Apr 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (03 Jul 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (09 Sep 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Sep 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (13 Jan 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Jan 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Apr 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (12 Jun 2015 and by Stellonia of all people, who at the time was running in Right to Life for president and also featured the repeal heavily in campaign material during run for president)
How about we repeal RF? (30 Jul 2015 and by Stellonia again)
How about we repeal RF? (19 Aug 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (14 Oct 2015 and by Stellonia a third time)
How about we repeal On Abortion? (14 Nov 2015 by Stellonia a fourth time)
How about we repeal On Abortion? (18 Nov 2015 by Stellonia a fifth time)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Apr 2016)
How about we repeal RF? (26 May 2016 by United Massachusetts)
How about we repeal RF? (21 Oct 2016)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Apr 2017 by United Massachusetts a second time)
How about we repeal RF? (06 Aug 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (07 Aug 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (22 Sep 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (22 Jan 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (09 Mar 2018, same author as preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (30 Jul 2018 by United Massachusetts a third time)
How about we repeal RF? (07 Sep 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Sep 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (01 Oct 2018, same author as preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Feb 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Mar 2019, by Marxist Germany)
How about we repeal RF? (12 Apr 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Apr 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (06 May 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (06 May 2019, different author from preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (05 Jun 2019, mentioned in United Massachusetts' summer agenda)
How about we repeal RF? (01 Aug 2019, by Marxist Germany again)
How about we repeal RF? (02 Oct 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Mar 2020)
It's not me. It's you.

"We think the issue of abortion is too complex to be legislated by the World Assembly. You think it is so simple and clear that you can initiate sweeping 'reforms' on this issue and scorn everyone who disagrees with them.

"Once again, you have failed to explain why you devote your priorities to making abortion free rather than making free other procedures that save lives. We think that this is a reasonable question to ask of you."

"Ambassador, you are welcome to write such a proposal. There is not a hierarchy of legislative priority that authors must follow, nor does this proposal bar you from so legislating. This is a nonsensical and disingenuous argument."

by **Imperium Anglorum** » Tue May 19, 2020 8:20 am

Stellonia wrote:"We think the issue of abortion is too complex to be legislated by the World Assembly. You think it is so simple and clear that you can initiate sweeping 'reforms' on this issue and scorn everyone who disagrees with them.

"Once again, you have failed to explain why you devote your priorities to making abortion free rather than making free other procedures that save lives. We think that this is a reasonable question to ask of you."

Necessary procedures to save lives are already covered by Quality in Health Services and must be provided by the state. My priorities were to write a proposal on the topic that would deal with creative compliance in the vein of Alabama. Are your complaints about "priority" really about the time at which it was submitted?

There is no scorn here, however much that your IC—presumably—ambassador seems to think it is present. There, is, however, an acknowledgement that some input is not constructive and can be ignored. That is not scorn in as much as it is a simple reflection of how incompatible the pro-choice-pro-UHC position is from the anti-choice-anti-UHC one.

by **Stellonia** » Tue May 19, 2020 8:32 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:My priorities were to write a proposal on the topic that would deal with creative compliance in the vein of Alabama.

OOC: Nations are obligated to observe resolutions in good faith. See GA#2, Article 9.

That is not scorn in as much as it is a simple reflection of how incompatible the pro-choice-pro-UHC position is from the anti-choice-anti-UHC one.

The issues of abortion and universal healthcare are separate enough from each other that one can support one while opposing the other. See the United States, which has legal abortion but no universal healthcare, and Mexico, which has universal healthcare without legal abortion in some states.

by **Separatist Peoples** » Tue May 19, 2020 8:41 am

Stellonia wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:My priorities were to write a proposal on the topic that would deal with creative compliance in the vein of Alabama.

OOC: Nations are obligated to observe resolutions in good faith. See GA#2, Article 9.

Ooc: to the extent that this creates a potential illegality, lemme stop you there. Good faith is pretty subjective, so there's nothing stopping nations from tightening up gaps. Theres no conflict.

To the extent this is a rhetorical argument...well, see above.

by **Imperium Anglorum** » Tue May 19, 2020 8:43 am

Stellonia:

You want to resurrect magical compliance? lol good luck.

The severability of the two positions misses the point. Noting that they are severable is why I put them in the way I did (ie "pro-choice-pro-UHC"). If someone is serious about pro-choice and pro-UHC, then that person comes to my position. I am serious about pro-choice. I am also serious about pro-UHC.

I will also note that you gave no response to Sep, no warrants to support your claim of scorn, no warrants for the alleged complexity of abortion legislation, no impacts for the argument on priority, no claims of any sort to rebut my claim about RtL being obsessed with abortion, and no warrants for the implicit claim that there exists a trade-off between this proposal and other health proposals.

by **Auze** » Tue May 19, 2020 10:40 am

“Honestly, after reviewing my schedule I’ve decided to just vote against any resolution or repeal that has to do with abortion ever. I have a coup and civil war scheduled for 5 and a mass execution scheduled for 10, so just hurry up.”

by **United Massachusetts** » Tue May 19, 2020 11:24 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Stellonia wrote:It appears that some ambassadors are obsessed with abortion to the point that their priorities are completely out of order."

Right to Life and associates:

How about we repeal On Abortion? (2 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (02 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (26 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Apr 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (27 Apr 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (03 Jul 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (09 Sep 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Sep 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (13 Jan 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Jan 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Apr 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (12 Jun 2015 and by Stellonia of all people, who at the time was running in Right to Life for president and also featured the repeal heavily in campaign material during run for president)
How about we repeal RF? (30 Jul 2015 and by Stellonia again)
How about we repeal RF? (19 Aug 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (14 Oct 2015 and by Stellonia a third time)
How about we repeal On Abortion? (14 Nov 2015 by Stellonia a fourth time)
How about we repeal On Abortion? (18 Nov 2015 by Stellonia a fifth time)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Apr 2016)
How about we repeal RF? (26 May 2016 by United Massachusetts)
How about we repeal RF? (21 Oct 2016)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Apr 2017 by United Massachusetts a second time)
How about we repeal RF? (06 Aug 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (07 Aug 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (22 Sep 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (22 Jan 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (09 Mar 2018, same author as preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (30 Jul 2018 by United Massachusetts a third time)
How about we repeal RF? (07 Sep 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Sep 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (01 Oct 2018, same author as preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Feb 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Mar 2019, by Marxist Germany)
How about we repeal RF? (12 Apr 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Apr 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (06 May 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (06 May 2019, different author from preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (05 Jun 2019, mentioned in United Massachusetts' summer agenda)
How about we repeal RF? (01 Aug 2019, by Marxist Germany again)
How about we repeal RF? (02 Oct 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Mar 2020)
It's not me. It's you.

I take great pride in Right to Life's consistent advocacy for foetal rights. Nothing the World Assembly can do will stop us from continuing to show up and fight.

by **Separatist Peoples** » Tue May 19, 2020 11:34 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Stellonia:

You want to resurrect magical compliance? lol good luck.

The severability of the two positions misses the point. Noting that they are severable is why I put them in the way I did (ie "pro-choice-pro-UHC"). If someone is serious about pro-choice and pro-UHC, then that person comes to my position. I am serious about pro-choice. I am also serious about pro-UHC.

I will also note that you gave no response to Sep, no warrants to support your claim of scorn, no warrants for the alleged complexity of abortion legislation, no impacts for the argument on priority, no claims of any sort to rebut my claim about RtL being obsessed with abortion, and no warrants for the implicit claim that there exists a trade-off between this proposal and other health proposals.

Ooc: I guess silence is acceptance and ceding the rhetorical point.

United Massachusetts wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Right to Life and associates:

How about we repeal On Abortion? (2 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (02 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (26 Mar 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Apr 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (27 Apr 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (03 Jul 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (09 Sep 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Sep 2014)
How about we repeal RF? (13 Jan 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Jan 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Apr 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (12 Jun 2015 and by Stellonia of all people, who at the time was running in Right to Life for president and also featured the repeal heavily in campaign material during run for president)
How about we repeal RF? (30 Jul 2015 and by Stellonia again)
How about we repeal RF? (19 Aug 2015)
How about we repeal RF? (14 Oct 2015 and by Stellonia a third time)
How about we repeal On Abortion? (14 Nov 2015 by Stellonia a fourth time)
How about we repeal On Abortion? (18 Nov 2015 by Stellonia a fifth time)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Apr 2016)
How about we repeal RF? (26 May 2016 by United Massachusetts)
How about we repeal RF? (21 Oct 2016)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Apr 2017 by United Massachusetts a second time)
How about we repeal RF? (06 Aug 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (07 Aug 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (22 Sep 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (18 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (28 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Nov 2017)
How about we repeal RF? (22 Jan 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (09 Mar 2018, same author as preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (30 Jul 2018 by United Massachusetts a third time)
How about we repeal RF? (07 Sep 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Sep 2018)
How about we repeal RF? (01 Oct 2018, same author as preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Feb 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Mar 2019, by Marxist Germany)
How about we repeal RF? (12 Apr 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (29 Apr 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (06 May 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (06 May 2019, different author from preceding)
How about we repeal RF? (05 Jun 2019, mentioned in United Massachusetts' summer agenda)
How about we repeal RF? (01 Aug 2019, by Marxist Germany again)
How about we repeal RF? (02 Oct 2019)
How about we repeal RF? (11 Mar 2020)
It's not me. It's you.

I take great pride in Right to Life's consistent advocacy for foetal rights. Nothing the World Assembly can do will stop us from continuing to show up and fight.

>pride
>6 years of failure

That's one way to spin it.

by **Pope Saint Peter the Apostle** » Tue May 19, 2020 12:46 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:My priorities were to write a proposal on the topic that would deal with creative compliance in the vein of Alabama.

Well Honourable Delegate, be rest assured that our requirement that people make 10 rides in a special roller coaster prior to their consult in the abortion clinic on one of our islands about 1000 miles away from our mainland is a scientifically necessary step to ensure abortion safety and informed consent (according to the Holy Roman Catholic Committee on Science and Related Matters) and in no way is meant as "creative compliance".

--Saint Gerard Majella, C.Ss.R., patron of the unborn children
Senior consuasor ad Sancti Imperium

by **New Waldensia** » Tue May 19, 2020 1:09 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:>pride
>6 years of failure

That's one way to spin it.

"If absolute certainty of success should be the defining prerequisite of whether something is to be attempted, then nothing of any sort will ever be accomplished.

Furthermore, may I remind the delegates that resolutions cannot be brought to a vote before this body without some sense of a widespread desire to have the issue deliberated on by this Assembly. If there is no appetite for continued discussion of an issue, then it won't receive the requisite number of approvals. Evidently, this Body still deems it of merit to periodically bring up."

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[PASSED] Access to Abortion

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