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Tarchuna and Ravenna
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Postby Tarchuna and Ravenna » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:38 pm

Me too, for the same reasons.

And define “patriarchal”.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:39 pm

The Sladerstan wrote:You are going against the National Sovereignty of every nation, and deciding that they MUST allow abortion, although they may be against it. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to be homosexual in every WA nation?

You're not doing something that I would support, or any others like me want done in our nations, you're doing something YOU support and want done in every single nation. You're forcing your views on every nation and deciding what they do within their borders is your business.

This isn't a proposal that many people will agree on, this is a proposal about pushing the leftist agenda on every single nation, regardless of their political views.

I am absolutely against this.

Correction: the WA already requires the legalization of abortion in all cases. This would force member nations to fund trips to paid "abortionplexes" that the authors intended to fashion like resort casinos. It's vastly worse than even what you're describing.

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Valtrona
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Postby Valtrona » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:39 pm

“I agree with The Sladerstan, so my nation must oppose this resolution.”

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Tarchuna and Ravenna
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Postby Tarchuna and Ravenna » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:40 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
The Sladerstan wrote:You are going against the National Sovereignty of every nation, and deciding that they MUST allow abortion, although they may be against it. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to be homosexual in every WA nation?

You're not doing something that I would support, or any others like me want done in our nations, you're doing something YOU support and want done in every single nation. You're forcing your views on every nation and deciding what they do within their borders is your business.

This isn't a proposal that many people will agree on, this is a proposal about pushing the leftist agenda on every single nation, regardless of their political views.

I am absolutely against this.

Correction: the WA already requires the legalization of abortion in all cases. This would force member nations to fund trips to paid "abortionplexes" that the authors intended to fashion like resort casinos. It's vastly worse than even what you're describing.


Oh, God above, that is much worse. So much worse.
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The Sladerstan
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Postby The Sladerstan » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:43 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
The Sladerstan wrote:You are going against the National Sovereignty of every nation, and deciding that they MUST allow abortion, although they may be against it. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to be homosexual in every WA nation?

You're not doing something that I would support, or any others like me want done in our nations, you're doing something YOU support and want done in every single nation. You're forcing your views on every nation and deciding what they do within their borders is your business.

This isn't a proposal that many people will agree on, this is a proposal about pushing the leftist agenda on every single nation, regardless of their political views.

I am absolutely against this.

Correction: the WA already requires the legalization of abortion in all cases. This would force member nations to fund trips to paid "abortionplexes" that the authors intended to fashion like resort casinos. It's vastly worse than even what you're describing.

Yes, thank you for that correction.

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Tarchuna and Ravenna
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Postby Tarchuna and Ravenna » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:44 pm

If this ever goes to vote, we must fight against it with all of our power.

200% Opposed. Abortion is not a goddamn vacation.
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Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:47 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:I will fight against this with everything I have.

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Tarchuna and Ravenna
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Postby Tarchuna and Ravenna » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:49 pm

Finally, a liberal who values human life.

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The Surintasian Union
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Postby The Surintasian Union » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:50 pm

no thanks

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:53 pm

Tarchuna and Ravenna wrote:If this ever goes to vote, we must fight against it with all of our power.

200% Opposed. Abortion is not a goddamn vacation.

"Correction, ambassador: It isn't a vacation yet."

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Tarchuna and Ravenna
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Postby Tarchuna and Ravenna » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:28 pm

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm

Tarchuna and Ravenna wrote:“Any self-respecting Head of State would at least reply to our rebuttals.”

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"First, Ambassador Bell isn't a head of state. As I understand, his assignment here is more a punishment by his higher-ups than anything else. Second, I do believe the Separatist ambassador did reply to your rebuttal. That you were not satisfied with the reply is an entirely different matter."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:38 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Tarchuna and Ravenna wrote:“Any self-respecting Head of State would at least reply to our rebuttals.”

-Valens, First Lord Admiral

"First, Ambassador Bell isn't a head of state. As I understand, his assignment here is more a punishment by his higher-ups than anything else. Second, I do believe the Separatist ambassador did reply to your rebuttal. That you were not satisfied with the reply is an entirely different matter."

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The New Sicilian State
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Postby The New Sicilian State » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:36 am

"Just to clarify, clause 4b establishes clinics which offers free childcare, correct? My sister has asked me to support on the grounds that she hasn't slept in three days and would like a nap."
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Postby Auze » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:45 am

"Opposed. Anyway, I don't think that's what 'whereas' means."
Sex-selective abortions. Notwithstanding any other provision of this resolution and unless otherwise indicated by resolution, members may restrict access to or section 2 funding for an abortion if a sex-selective basis impels its request.

"So, ignoring our bugging of every room in the 3 abortion clinics in Auze, how do we tell if the abortion is due to the sex of the offspring? Should we mandate the writing of a ten page essay in MLA format on why the person wants an abortion?"
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:12 pm

Auze wrote:"Opposed. Anyway, I don't think that's what 'whereas' means."
Sex-selective abortions. Notwithstanding any other provision of this resolution and unless otherwise indicated by resolution, members may restrict access to or section 2 funding for an abortion if a sex-selective basis impels its request.

"So, ignoring our bugging of every room in the 3 abortion clinics in Auze, how do we tell if the abortion is due to the sex of the offspring? Should we mandate the writing of a ten page essay in MLA format on why the person wants an abortion?"

"You could, you know, ask the woman in question, and then... oh, I have an idea, trust her word? I also suspect that the 3 abortion clinics are insufficient for your country size, which means your citizens will get to use the abortionplex instead of your native clinics, giving women increased freedom from surveillance. I would also hypothesise that the bugging is against at least one World Assembly resolution clause somewhere, but I can't be bothered to check."

OOC Edit: This has 31 approvals vs. 32 for the repeal. I would squeal of joy if this gained quorum first.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:54 pm

The Sladerstan wrote:You are going against the National Sovereignty of every nation, and deciding that they MUST allow abortion, although they may be against it. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to be homosexual in every WA nation?

You're not doing something that I would support, or any others like me want done in our nations, you're doing something YOU support and want done in every single nation. You're forcing your views on every nation and deciding what they do within their borders is your business.


"You are going against the individual sovereignty of every nation's citizens, and deciding that they MUST NOT have abortions, although they may want them. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to buy a gun in every member nation?"

"You're not doing something that all of your citizens would support, or any others like them in other member states, you're doing something YOUR LEADER supports and wants done to every single person. You're forcing your views on every person and deciding what they do within their own bodies is your business."
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Postby Charax » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:06 pm

Market research suggests that individuals killed before birth are unlikely to be prolific consumers of DisneyCorp products and services, so we oppose this draft. We will continue to advocate for the rolling back of existing resolutions on this issue, which are heavy-handed enough without this disastrous proposal making things even worse.
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Postby Agarntrop 2 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:17 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
The Sladerstan wrote:You are going against the National Sovereignty of every nation, and deciding that they MUST allow abortion, although they may be against it. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to be homosexual in every WA nation?

You're not doing something that I would support, or any others like me want done in our nations, you're doing something YOU support and want done in every single nation. You're forcing your views on every nation and deciding what they do within their borders is your business.


"You are going against the individual sovereignty of every nation's citizens, and deciding that they MUST NOT have abortions, although they may want them. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to buy a gun in every member nation?"

"You're not doing something that all of your citizens would support, or any others like them in other member states, you're doing something YOUR LEADER supports and wants done to every single person. You're forcing your views on every person and deciding what they do within their own bodies is your business."

"So a viable fetus that could live independently is a part of a person? Anyhow, this bill is not the same as the dreaded GAR#286, which is what you seem to be all discussing. This bill would result in taxpayers paying for things they believe fundamentally wrong and at odds with their religious beliefs. Taxpayers should not be forced to pay for something they believe is murder, and for that reason, against."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:21 pm

Agarntrop 2 wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
"You are going against the individual sovereignty of every nation's citizens, and deciding that they MUST NOT have abortions, although they may want them. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to buy a gun in every member nation?"

"You're not doing something that all of your citizens would support, or any others like them in other member states, you're doing something YOUR LEADER supports and wants done to every single person. You're forcing your views on every person and deciding what they do within their own bodies is your business."

"So a viable fetus that could live independently is a part of a person? Anyhow, this bill is not the same as the dreaded GAR#286, which is what you seem to be all discussing. This bill would result in taxpayers paying for things they believe fundamentally wrong and at odds with their religious beliefs. Taxpayers should not be forced to pay for something they believe is murder, and for that reason, against."

"Ambassador, I am confident your tax money is used for things you dislike every day. That is a poor argument, unless you would ban war, for example."

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:24 pm

Agarntrop 2 wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
"You are going against the individual sovereignty of every nation's citizens, and deciding that they MUST NOT have abortions, although they may want them. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to buy a gun in every member nation?"

"You're not doing something that all of your citizens would support, or any others like them in other member states, you're doing something YOUR LEADER supports and wants done to every single person. You're forcing your views on every person and deciding what they do within their own bodies is your business."

"So a viable fetus that could live independently is a part of a person? Anyhow, this bill is not the same as the dreaded GAR#286, which is what you seem to be all discussing. This bill would result in taxpayers paying for things they believe fundamentally wrong and at odds with their religious beliefs. Taxpayers should not be forced to pay for something they believe is murder, and for that reason, against."

"I am sure the principled nation of Agarntrop also funds her armies by cookie sales or public subscription? Right? Because in no way would you just have lied and made a fool of yourself?"


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Postby Agarntrop 2 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:26 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Agarntrop 2 wrote:"So a viable fetus that could live independently is a part of a person? Anyhow, this bill is not the same as the dreaded GAR#286, which is what you seem to be all discussing. This bill would result in taxpayers paying for things they believe fundamentally wrong and at odds with their religious beliefs. Taxpayers should not be forced to pay for something they believe is murder, and for that reason, against."

"Ambassador, I am confident your tax money is used for things you dislike every day. That is a poor argument, unless you would ban war, for example."

"By that logic I presume the ambassador is writing up a resolution right now mandating nations to be in a constant state of war."
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Postby Alba and Cymru » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:28 pm

"This makes bold and unwarranted assumptions of the medical programs of nations whose culture or government is 'patriarchal'."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:28 pm

Agarntrop 2 wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ambassador, I am confident your tax money is used for things you dislike every day. That is a poor argument, unless you would ban war, for example."

"By that logic I presume the ambassador is writing up a resolution right now mandating nations to be in a constant state of war."

"Ambassador, that does not follow. That you may have to personally contribute to something you disagree with is not itself an argument against doing so. Nor either is it an obligation that I mandate absurd and societally unhelpful acts to satisfy your wound to your pride."

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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:30 pm

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