[PASSED] Access to Abortion

[Separatist Peoples]

We want to reiterate that this will not make it to vote

"Based on?"

[United Massachusetts]

We want to reiterate that this will not make it to vote

"Based on?"

"It won't."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Based on?"

"It won't."

"Considering it very nearly did during the height of delegate fatigue, that seems a bold claim."

[Agarntrop]

"Opposed."

[Tinhampton]

"It won't."

"Considering it very nearly did during the height of delegate fatigue, that seems a bold claim."

Anderson: Ambassador Bell, that was for the Abortionplexes resolution, a risible joke proposed at roughly the time of year you would expect risible jokes to be submitted for the attention of delegates. This is a much more serious-looking... thingy doodah!

[United Massachusetts]

"It won't."

"Considering it very nearly did during the height of delegate fatigue, that seems a bold claim."

"I want to say this one more time, so that everyone in this building is clear -- United Massachusetts will do everything it can to make this monstrous legislation unthinkable. Those delegates wearing smug faces now ought to know that we will fight to the very end."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Considering it very nearly did during the height of delegate fatigue, that seems a bold claim."

"I want to say this one more time, so that everyone in this building is clear -- United Massachusetts will do everything it can to make this monstrous legislation unthinkable. Those delegates wearing smug faces now ought to know that we will fight to the very end."

"You've said as much, ambassador. I have heard similar vows regarding the repeal of Reproductive Freedoms. They did not come to pass. Why should this be any different?"

[Agarntrop]

Ambassador

"Opposed. This resolution is a blatant violation of the national sovereignty of members and prohibits even restricting abortions the hour before birth. Disgusting!"

[Great Aethernia]

While i do support this kind of proposal, i have a few suggestions regarding this matter. Say, some constructive criticisms if i may.

(Note that i have received proper education in literature and so, i'm criticizing based on the aspects of word-choice/syntax)

1. Regarding the so-called "Abortionplex", is there any better way to name this facility? If you are looking for approval, it might not be wise if you named it so. If my predictions is right, around 40-60% of WA will go against this resolution. Oh i'm sure that the controversial theme of abortion will spark interest, but this kind of naming would turn that spark to a wildfire in very short time. I do have a few suggestions for the alternatives, such as: Centers for Birth Control(CBC) or, Obsterics, Gynecology, and Abortion Center(OBGYNAC).

2. Regarding section 7(Health and Safety). In my opinion this partis the turning point in the voting process. You should either back this up with a reference to previous health and safety act, or provide a credible scientific research, survey, or findings. If you present some credible evidence within the resolution, it would help you greatly in gaining supporters who thinks with logic and not just supporters with personal agendas.

That is all i can give so far, if there's anyone who are opposed to my ideas and have a better one to present or would like to criticize based on the aspects of law and government, then i permit you and greatly encourage you to do so, as long as you provide logical explanations or credible facts. After all we're all civilized nation leaders here and not some uncultured or unmannered mobs.

Good day to you all.


Sincerely,

Kitscher Altay, King of the United Kingdom of Great Aethernia.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ambassador

"Opposed. This resolution is a blatant violation of the national sovereignty of members and prohibits even restricting abortions the hour before birth. Disgusting!"

"Ambassador, had you bothered reading the compendium of passed law, you would know that other laws already have such requirements in this Assembly, and that national sovereignty is rarely a convincing argument."

[Agarntrop]

Ambassador

"Opposed. This resolution is a blatant violation of the national sovereignty of members and prohibits even restricting abortions the hour before birth. Disgusting!"

"Ambassador, had you bothered reading the compendium of passed law, you would know that other laws already have such requirements in this Assembly, and that national sovereignty is rarely a convincing argument."

"If we make a mistake once do we have a duty to somehow repeat and intensify it?"

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ambassador, had you bothered reading the compendium of passed law, you would know that other laws already have such requirements in this Assembly, and that national sovereignty is rarely a convincing argument."

"If we make a mistake once do we have a duty to somehow repeat and intensify it?"

"Your analogy is confusing, since proposals cannot duplicate existing proposals. Insofar as it is a mistake, it is made. Insofar as the mistake is made, another identical mistake cannot be made without violating procedural rules."

[United Massachusetts]

Ambassador

"Opposed. This resolution is a blatant violation of the national sovereignty of members and prohibits even restricting abortions the hour before birth. Disgusting!"

"Ambassador, had you bothered reading the compendium of passed law, you would know that other laws already have such requirements in this Assembly, and that national sovereignty is rarely a convincing argument."

"And yet the Ambassador uses such arguments all the time."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ambassador, had you bothered reading the compendium of passed law, you would know that other laws already have such requirements in this Assembly, and that national sovereignty is rarely a convincing argument."

"And yet the Ambassador uses such arguments all the time."

"And it is routinely unconvincing!"

[Morover]

1. Regarding the so-called "Abortionplex", is there any better way to name this facility? If you are looking for approval, it might not be wise if you named it so. If my predictions is right, around 40-60% of WA will go against this resolution. Oh i'm sure that the controversial theme of abortion will spark interest, but this kind of naming would turn that spark to a wildfire in very short time. I do have a few suggestions for the alternatives, such as: Centers for Birth Control(CBC) or, Obsterics, Gynecology, and Abortion Center(OBGYNAC).

"Ambassador, the monument that would be arisen from such a place would not be able to be adequately described by the word 'center.' No, such a hub deserves a spectacular name - hence, Abortionplex."

[United Massachusetts]

1. Regarding the so-called "Abortionplex", is there any better way to name this facility? If you are looking for approval, it might not be wise if you named it so. If my predictions is right, around 40-60% of WA will go against this resolution. Oh i'm sure that the controversial theme of abortion will spark interest, but this kind of naming would turn that spark to a wildfire in very short time. I do have a few suggestions for the alternatives, such as: Centers for Birth Control(CBC) or, Obsterics, Gynecology, and Abortion Center(OBGYNAC).

"Ambassador, the monument that would be arisen from such a place would not be able to be adequately described by the word 'center.' No, such a hub deserves a spectacular name - hence, Abortionplex."

IC + OOC: "Or perhaps the proposing delegation wished to pass the most obscenely anti-fetal-rights resolution possible. Regardless of our stances on its legality, the Delegation from United Massachusetts believes abortion ought not to be trivialized -- it is a serious matter and a painful decision for many mothers. Resolutions like this seek to trivialize a serious societal tragedy, namely the perverse societal standards that effectively force mothers to allow the death of their own children. No mother should be put in that situation, and even if we believe abortion ought to be accessible, we shouldn't trivialize the real pain that abortion causes.

[Morover]

"Ambassador, the monument that would be arisen from such a place would not be able to be adequately described by the word 'center.' No, such a hub deserves a spectacular name - hence, Abortionplex."

IC + OOC: "Or perhaps the proposing delegation wished to pass the most obscenely anti-fetal-rights resolution possible. Regardless of our stances on its legality, the Delegation from United Massachusetts believes abortion ought not to be trivialized -- it is a serious matter and a painful decision for many mothers. Resolutions like this seek to trivialize a serious societal tragedy, namely the perverse societal standards that effectively force mothers to allow the death of their own children. No mother should be put in that situation, and even if we believe abortion ought to be accessible, we shouldn't trivialize the real pain that abortion causes.

"Abortionplex is not trivializing of the issue at hand unless one makes it so."

[Separatist Peoples]

IC + OOC: "Or perhaps the proposing delegation wished to pass the most obscenely anti-fetal-rights resolution possible. Regardless of our stances on its legality, the Delegation from United Massachusetts believes abortion ought not to be trivialized -- it is a serious matter and a painful decision for many mothers. Resolutions like this seek to trivialize a serious societal tragedy, namely the perverse societal standards that effectively force mothers to allow the death of their own children. No mother should be put in that situation, and even if we believe abortion ought to be accessible, we shouldn't trivialize the real pain that abortion causes.

"Abortionplex is not trivializing of the issue at hand unless one makes it so."

"Perhaps it is merely a cultural disconnect? Perhaps our attitude comes off as trivializing to the United Massachusetts delegation? I am led to believe that we have very different cultural norms."

[Agarntrop 2]

"Ambassador, the monument that would be arisen from such a place would not be able to be adequately described by the word 'center.' No, such a hub deserves a spectacular name - hence, Abortionplex."

IC + OOC: "Or perhaps the proposing delegation wished to pass the most obscenely anti-fetal-rights resolution possible. Regardless of our stances on its legality, the Delegation from United Massachusetts believes abortion ought not to be trivialized -- it is a serious matter and a painful decision for many mothers. Resolutions like this seek to trivialize a serious societal tragedy, namely the perverse societal standards that effectively force mothers to allow the death of their own children. No mother should be put in that situation, and even if we believe abortion ought to be accessible, we shouldn't trivialize the real pain that abortion causes.

"Hear, hear."

[Separatist Peoples]

IC + OOC: "Or perhaps the proposing delegation wished to pass the most obscenely anti-fetal-rights resolution possible. Regardless of our stances on its legality, the Delegation from United Massachusetts believes abortion ought not to be trivialized -- it is a serious matter and a painful decision for many mothers. Resolutions like this seek to trivialize a serious societal tragedy, namely the perverse societal standards that effectively force mothers to allow the death of their own children. No mother should be put in that situation, and even if we believe abortion ought to be accessible, we shouldn't trivialize the real pain that abortion causes.

"Hear, hear."

OOC: Puppetwanking is frowned upon.

[Agarntrop 2]

"Hear, hear."

OOC: Puppetwanking is frowned upon.

Ooc: This not puppetwanking, although I admit it looks like it. This nation was created for a seperate (now redundant) purpose. My main nation is mainly focused on regional RPing, p2tm, and a bit of nsg on the side, so I withdrew it from the WA so I have a different account to focus on that sort of thing.

[Great Aethernia]

1. Regarding the so-called "Abortionplex", is there any better way to name this facility? If you are looking for approval, it might not be wise if you named it so. If my predictions is right, around 40-60% of WA will go against this resolution. Oh i'm sure that the controversial theme of abortion will spark interest, but this kind of naming would turn that spark to a wildfire in very short time. I do have a few suggestions for the alternatives, such as: Centers for Birth Control(CBC) or, Obsterics, Gynecology, and Abortion Center(OBGYNAC).

"Ambassador, the monument that would be arisen from such a place would not be able to be adequately described by the word 'center.' No, such a hub deserves a spectacular name - hence, Abortionplex."

My friend, while i commend and applaud your bravery and spirit to help create such advances, i feel like i should ask this question: Would you risk another schism in the WA? Are you prepared for the backfire that it may bring? While i do support this resolution, i would not dare to cause another schism in the body of WA since my country had just been estabilished not too long ago. How can someone as green as me dare to stir up a maelstrom knowing that i will doom my fellow leaders and their people in the process?

Forgive me of my insolence, i felt like i have overstepped my bounds here.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ambassador, the monument that would be arisen from such a place would not be able to be adequately described by the word 'center.' No, such a hub deserves a spectacular name - hence, Abortionplex."

My friend, while i commend and applaud your bravery and spirit to help create such advances, i feel like i should ask this question: Would you risk another schism in the WA? Are you prepared for the backfire that it may bring? While i do support this resolution, i would not dare to cause another schism in the body of WA since my country had just been estabilished not too long ago. How can someone as green as me dare to stir up a maelstrom knowing that i will doom my fellow leaders and their people in the process?

Forgive me of my insolence, i felt like i have overstepped my bounds here.

"Ambassador, I assure you that those who might reject the WA over this will not be missed, and do not number near the army they wish us to believe."

OOC: By my estimate, the players upset by this will, at worst, routinely submit repeals and wage campaigns in an attempt to exhaust us. A strategy that doesn't historically work.

[United Massachusetts]

My friend, while i commend and applaud your bravery and spirit to help create such advances, i feel like i should ask this question: Would you risk another schism in the WA? Are you prepared for the backfire that it may bring? While i do support this resolution, i would not dare to cause another schism in the body of WA since my country had just been estabilished not too long ago. How can someone as green as me dare to stir up a maelstrom knowing that i will doom my fellow leaders and their people in the process?

Forgive me of my insolence, i felt like i have overstepped my bounds here.

"Ambassador, I assure you that those who might reject the WA over this will not be missed, and do not number near the army they wish us to believe."

"The irony, of course, is that the very people who would leave the WA are the ones this resolution would cause a tangible change to. The WA has no point if it becomes an echo-chamber. Its legislation would become worthless insofar as member nations would already have implemented the WA's will without the international body forcing it to. In short, a World Assembly without opposition means absolutely nothing."

IC + OOC: "Or perhaps the proposing delegation wished to pass the most obscenely anti-fetal-rights resolution possible. Regardless of our stances on its legality, the Delegation from United Massachusetts believes abortion ought not to be trivialized -- it is a serious matter and a painful decision for many mothers. Resolutions like this seek to trivialize a serious societal tragedy, namely the perverse societal standards that effectively force mothers to allow the death of their own children. No mother should be put in that situation, and even if we believe abortion ought to be accessible, we shouldn't trivialize the real pain that abortion causes.

"Abortionplex is not trivializing of the issue at hand unless one makes it so."

"And the people who proposed this resolution certainly made it so. Consider:

• the initial draft was submitted on April Fool's Day
• the private chat server developed by the proposing delegations uses the "stonks" meme as its avatar
• the initial resolution seeks to turn abortionplexes into resort casinos

No one is fooled here. This is a clear attempt to trivialise the serious suffering that abortion causes. It is no light-hearted decision to be made at a resort casino. Don't lie to our faces."

[The Sladerstan]

You are going against the National Sovereignty of every nation, and deciding that they MUST allow abortion, although they may be against it. Would you like it if someone passed a proposal that made it illegal to be homosexual in every WA nation?

You're not doing something that I would support, or any others like me want done in our nations, you're doing something YOU support and want done in every single nation. You're forcing your views on every nation and deciding what they do within their borders is your business.

This isn't a proposal that many people will agree on, this is a proposal about pushing the leftist agenda on every single nation, regardless of their political views.

I am absolutely against this.