[DEFEATED] On the Health and Financial Well-being of Workers

[Cisairse]

"Cisairse votes in favor this resolution, and would like to praise its authors for composing such a succinct yet effective proposal."

^{—Cisairse Minister of World Assembly Affairs Audrey A. Perry}

[Island Girl Herby]

Okay so this is a good idea but the execution here is a little off bud. This one-eighth thing means giving people six and a half weeks off of leave. That’s a bit too much. Also there should be exceptions for critical services like emergency and medical personnel, pharmaceutical suppliers, military, supply chain workers, yada yada yada. Otherwise you’re just makin’ things worse for everyone.

[The ethno-state of Trashys]

“Guys there is already a movement to repeal this. Let’s not vote for it.”-
World Assembly Delegate Michael Bader.

[Greifenburg]

“Guys there is already a movement to repeal this. Let’s not vote for it.”

"That is not really saying much, as there are often repeal movements before a resolution is passed."

[Cisairse]

“Guys there is already a movement to repeal this. Let’s not vote for it.”-
World Assembly Delegate Michael Bader.

"Compared to this resolution, the draft repeal is faulty, paltry, and really grasps at straws for reasons to repeal. If the repeal in its current draft form were submitted, I would not think twice about voting against it."

^{—Cisairse Minister of World Assembly Affairs Audrey A. Perry}

[The ethno-state of Trashys]

Okay so this is a good idea but the execution here is a little off bud. This one-eighth thing means giving people six and a half weeks off of leave. That’s a bit too much. Also there should be exceptions for critical services like emergency and medical personnel, pharmaceutical suppliers, military, supply chain workers, yada yada yada. Otherwise you’re just makin’ things worse for everyone.

“Yeah, you really want emergency stuff to grind to a halt?!”
-Bossman Crazy Smith

[Authoritaria-Imperia]

As much as we appreciate the sentiment behind this resolution, Authoritaria-Imperia is voting against it, for many of the same reasons as other nations. This resolution fails to accomodate for the situations of crucial employees and emergency services in special circumstances. In medical or environmental catastrophes, for example, employees cannot simply "take time off" and leave the national and international economies at a standstill. Additionally, this attempt appears rushed, not just for these reasons but for glaring grammatical errors and major loopholes as well. In such a major institution as the World Assembly, professionalism and formality must be upheld, and such a low-quality, one-size-fits-all approach is not acceptable.

If more time had been spent on this resolution, perhaps we would be able to provide our support, but in its current form it must not be passed. If it is, Authoritaria-Imperia will strongly consider voting in favour of a repeal.

— D. Nile, Head of International Affairs for the Great Empire of Authoritaria-Imperia

[ArenaC]

As much as we appreciate the sentiment behind this resolution, Authoritaria-Imperia is voting against it, for many of the same reasons as other nations. This resolution fails to accomodate for the situations of crucial employees and emergency services in special circumstances. In medical or environmental catastrophes, for example, employees cannot simply "take time off" and leave the national and international economies at a standstill. Additionally, this attempt appears rushed, not just for these reasons but for glaring grammatical errors and major loopholes as well. In such a major institution as the World Assembly, professionalism and formality must be upheld, and such a low-quality, one-size-fits-all approach is not acceptable.

If more time had been spent on this resolution, perhaps we would be able to provide our support, but in its current form it must not be passed. If it is, Authoritaria-Imperia will strongly consider voting in favour of a repeal.

— D. Nile, Head of International Affairs for the Great Empire of Authoritaria-Imperia

It’s kinda going to pass anyway

[Cosmosplosion]

It is with some regret that I must announce my support for delegates and individual nations to vote AGAINST this proposal as-is.

It has been correctly pointed out to me three fatal flaws with this legislation as is that, in my opinion, while still doing some to improve the rights of workers', also make it ineffective in other ways.

First, creating an umbrella program for sick leave, family medical leave, and maternity/paternity leave was a mistake. Those should all be seperated, and more specifically a higher amount of maternity/paternity leave should be granted.

Further, the current version doesn't mandate a minimum amount, but instead an exact amount, of time off of work.

And finally, the failure to include nonsalaried/commission/freelance based work is not acceptable. These workers also deserve protections in this case.

It is my intention to fix these problems, and offer a much better proposal in its place.

TLDR; So please, at my request Vote Against "On The Health And Financial Well-being Of Workers".

[Marxist Germany]

"Opposed; paid leave should be determined by the negotiating parties, not by the government, and certainly not by the WA.""

[Araraukar]

OOC: Okay, so slightly less tired brain, but doesn't "Mandates that all workers receive reasonable work leave in the amount of one-eigth of all expected work periods within the typical fiscal period," mean that if you're paid by the hour, then it's the one-eigth of the hour? Reseting at the start of the next work hour? So you could take 7.5 minutes off, but would need to be back at work when your next work hour begins? Given the lack of definition of "fiscal period", that sounds strange but possible.

Not going to repeat what all the others have said about this being rushed and the requirements for the leave being awfully lax and poorly defined.

[Cisairse]

OOC: Okay, so slightly less tired brain, but doesn't "Mandates that all workers receive reasonable work leave in the amount of one-eigth of all expected work periods within the typical fiscal period," mean that if you're paid by the hour, then it's the one-eigth of the hour? Reseting at the start of the next work hour? So you could take 7.5 minutes off, but would need to be back at work when your next work hour begins? Given the lack of definition of "fiscal period", that sounds strange but possible.

Not going to repeat what all the others have said about this being rushed and the requirements for the leave being awfully lax and poorly defined.

Fiscal period means the length of time which each paycheck provides compensation for.

[Lothric-]

considering that i have literal slavery, i dont think this could work, because the workers dont get sick leave or time off. vote against this retarded proposal

[Cisairse]

considering that i have literal slavery, i dont think this could work, because the workers dont get sick leave or time off. vote against this retarded proposal

Slavery has been prohibited in World Assembly nations since GA#23: Ban on Slavery and Trafficking passed in October, 2008.

[Cosmosplosion]

considering that i have literal slavery, i dont think this could work, because the workers dont get sick leave or time off. vote against this retarded proposal

That isn't how the game works, nice try kiddo.

[Parti Ouvrier]

It is with some regret that I must announce my support for delegates and individual nations to vote AGAINST this proposal as-is.

It has been correctly pointed out to me three fatal flaws with this legislation as is that, in my opinion, while still doing some to improve the rights of workers', also make it ineffective in other ways.

First, creating an umbrella program for sick leave, family medical leave, and maternity/paternity leave was a mistake. Those should all be seperated, and more specifically a higher amount of maternity/paternity leave should be granted.

Further, the current version doesn't mandate a minimum amount, but instead an exact amount, of time off of work.

And finally, the failure to include nonsalaried/commission/freelance based work is not acceptable. These workers also deserve protections in this case.

It is my intention to fix these problems, and offer a much better proposal in its place.

TLDR; So please, at my request Vote Against "On The Health And Financial Well-being Of Workers".

I'm still voting For.

[Araraukar]

Fiscal period means the length of time which each paycheck provides compensation for.

OOC: Where is that defined? Wiktionary at least hasn't even heard of "fiscal period".

...and also still doesn't help the issue. If you get a paycheck every two weeks (as tends to be the norm around here), then you have to be working for 87.5% of your working hours every two weeks anyway (with 5 days a week, 8 hours a day that's 35 hours per week, so 70 hours per two weeks, or 8.75 work days, instead of full 10). That doesn't really work that well with many of the reasons given in the proposal.

[The Yellow Monkey]

considering that i have literal slavery, i dont think this could work, because the workers dont get sick leave or time off. vote against this retarded proposal

That isn't how the game works, nice try kiddo.

Actually, that is how the game works. If you look at Lothric- 's game-generated policy information on the nation's page it sure enough shows that Lothric- is a WA member and that slavery is legal in that country. WA laws provide roleplaying hooks for those who want to play along. The game itself doesn't enforce them. There is nothing wrong with roleplaying in the way Lothric- did here (i.e. voting in accordance with how your nation actually might given the policies enacted through issues). Apart from calling the proposal "retarded" which is really just surly and juvenile more than anything. I'm told the proper response is something about how the proposal is made of rubber and Lothric- is made of glue.

Edit: Incidentally, this is why I've always questioned the "Compliance Committee" approach to WA law enforcement. Laws facilitating the use of sanctions against non-compliant nations always made more sense to me because, like it or not, WA nations can still enact discriminatory laws and slavery and whathaveyou through their issues. So rather than simply pretend that a compliance bureaucracy is out there fixing everything, I thought the better recourse would be for nations to roleplay sanctions against WA nations clearly adopting policies in contravention of WA laws. But I was shouted out of this chamber long ago by the powers that be for holding such heretical ideas.

[Author lists several ways in which the proposal is flawed]

So please, at my request Vote Against "On The Health And Financial Well-being Of Workers".

I'm still voting For.

I lol'd at this.

[Lothric-]

considering that i have literal slavery, i dont think this could work, because the workers dont get sick leave or time off. vote against this retarded proposal

Slavery has been prohibited in World Assembly nations since GA#23: Ban on Slavery and Trafficking passed in October, 2008.

That sucks, because if you look at my policies, I have slavery enacted..And Child Labour. Sucks to be a WA lackey having to pay your workers, I suppose, while I rake in the big bucks off free labour.

[Cosmosplosion]

Slavery has been prohibited in World Assembly nations since GA#23: Ban on Slavery and Trafficking passed in October, 2008.

That sucks, because if you look at my policies, I have slavery enacted..And Child Labour. Sucks to be a WA lackey having to pay your workers, I suppose, while I rake in the big bucks off free labour.

From Kelssek;

Quite simply, if you are a member of the World Assembly, everything that has been passed by the General Assembly is as good as law in your country. There is no optionality and no way not to comply (as is the case with the real United Nations where countries can simply declare "your laws do not apply to me!"). All member nations are bound by the passed resolutions....As a matter of game mechanics, non-compliance is simply impossible. Upon a resolution's passage, the "WA gnomes" come into your nation and make it compliant, leaving behind a little telegram as a token of their visit. While there are times when you can select a non-compliant issue option, the general consensus is that the gnomes then come in and make everything compliant again.

So no, you don't have slavery. or child labour, and or any of the other things you purport to have. So please stop. Thanks.

[Lothric-]

That sucks, because if you look at my policies, I have slavery enacted..And Child Labour. Sucks to be a WA lackey having to pay your workers, I suppose, while I rake in the big bucks off free labour.

From Kelssek;

Quite simply, if you are a member of the World Assembly, everything that has been passed by the General Assembly is as good as law in your country. There is no optionality and no way not to comply (as is the case with the real United Nations where countries can simply declare "your laws do not apply to me!"). All member nations are bound by the passed resolutions....As a matter of game mechanics, non-compliance is simply impossible. Upon a resolution's passage, the "WA gnomes" come into your nation and make it compliant, leaving behind a little telegram as a token of their visit. While there are times when you can select a non-compliant issue option, the general consensus is that the gnomes then come in and make everything compliant again.

So no, you don't have slavery. or child labour, and or any of the other things you purport to have. So please stop. Thanks.

What a shame..For you that is. Simply looking at my policies, factbook on slavery, and my country's laws, one can tell that these dumb laws the WA passes has no effect on my country, merely because I do not abide by them. Complain as you will, as a member of NS, I have the right to chose how my country is organized and run, and as the policies say, "Slavery and Child Labour is allowed!"

Sooooooo...

[Cosmosplosion]

From Kelssek;


So no, you don't have slavery. or child labour, and or any of the other things you purport to have. So please stop. Thanks.

What a shame..For you that is. Simply looking at my policies, factbook on slavery, and my country's laws, one can tell that these dumb laws the WA passes has no effect on my country, merely because I do not abide by them. Complain as you will, as a member of NS, I have the right to chose how my country is organized and run, and as the policies say, "Slavery and Child Labour is allowed!"

Sooooooo...

So why are you here? All you are doing is...pissing people off and making yourself look like someone incapable of playing the game. You clearly do not understand the game mechanics and how things work around here. With all due respect, find somewhere else to troll.

[Lothric-]

What a shame..For you that is. Simply looking at my policies, factbook on slavery, and my country's laws, one can tell that these dumb laws the WA passes has no effect on my country, merely because I do not abide by them. Complain as you will, as a member of NS, I have the right to chose how my country is organized and run, and as the policies say, "Slavery and Child Labour is allowed!"

Sooooooo...

So why are you here? All you are doing is...pissing people off and making yourself look like someone incapable of playing the game. You clearly do not understand the game mechanics and how things work around here. With all due respect, find somewhere else to troll.

I'm debating the WA proposal, as I am allowed to do. You on the other hand are here insulting somebody and trying to force your beliefs onto them, despite being told you're wrong by multiple people. If you're getting pissed, that's on you, 'kiddo.'

[Cisairse]

That sucks, because if you look at my policies, I have slavery enacted..And Child Labour. Sucks to be a WA lackey having to pay your workers, I suppose, while I rake in the big bucks off free labour.

From Kelssek;

Quite simply, if you are a member of the World Assembly, everything that has been passed by the General Assembly is as good as law in your country. There is no optionality and no way not to comply (as is the case with the real United Nations where countries can simply declare "your laws do not apply to me!"). All member nations are bound by the passed resolutions....As a matter of game mechanics, non-compliance is simply impossible. Upon a resolution's passage, the "WA gnomes" come into your nation and make it compliant, leaving behind a little telegram as a token of their visit. While there are times when you can select a non-compliant issue option, the general consensus is that the gnomes then come in and make everything compliant again.

So no, you don't have slavery. or child labour, and or any of the other things you purport to have. So please stop. Thanks.

Those gnomes must make post-coup nation building easy as fuck, considering they do all the hard work of passing laws.

[Cosmosplosion]

So why are you here? All you are doing is...pissing people off and making yourself look like someone incapable of playing the game. You clearly do not understand the game mechanics and how things work around here. With all due respect, find somewhere else to troll.

I'm debating the WA proposal, as I am allowed to do. You on the other hand are here insulting somebody and trying to force your beliefs onto them, despite being told you're wrong by multiple people. If you're getting pissed, that's on you, 'kiddo.'

Oh but I know I'm right, so I don't care what you or anyone else said. Drop the topic, that's not what the thread is about.