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Postby Xeknos » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:47 pm

Against. This is so dumb.
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Postby Kandorith » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:58 pm

This is simply appalling; we already had low expectations of the SC as a whole, but this is a new low.

This attempt at patting oneself on the back disguised as a liberation effort, there are no words for it. What worries me even more is the region this came from, it is worrying to see what has become of The East Pacific. This fall from from grace is indeed a disgrace and I don't see it becoming any better, sadly.
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Postby Technocratic Founder » Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:11 pm

What a goddamned waste of the SC's time. Ordered my delegate to vote against, not that my region is particularly impactful in that regard. I should probably start an endorsement programme...
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"Asserting..." clause

Postby Kashyyyyyyyk » Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:18 pm

Honestly, if Marrabuk hadn't included the "Asserting..." clause, it would seem more legit. This is one of the main reasons for my "against" vote.

If this is a joke and the East Pacific is just chilling, then congrats, you've finessed the SC into a frenzy. If not, then actual bruh moment because that's just mean to your region's member nations.

Also, doesn't this imply a kind of condemnation against Marrabuk?

Finally, does anyone know what Violet is referring to?

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Postby ArenaC » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:29 pm

Kashyyyyyyyk wrote:Honestly, if Marrabuk hadn't included the "Asserting..." clause, it would seem more legit. This is one of the main reasons for my "against" vote.

If this is a joke and the East Pacific is just chilling, then congrats, you've finessed the SC into a frenzy. If not, then actual bruh moment because that's just mean to your region's member nations.

Also, doesn't this imply a kind of condemnation against Marrabuk?

Finally, does anyone know what Violet is referring to?

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Postby Tarnik » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:01 pm

Kashyyyyyyyk wrote:Finally, does anyone know what Violet is referring to?


I believe Violet would be towards the religion that pops up in all of the Issues.

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Postby ArenaC » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:38 pm

Tarnik wrote:
Kashyyyyyyyk wrote:Finally, does anyone know what Violet is referring to?


I believe Violet would be towards the religion that pops up in all of the Issues.

Exactly. Though, finally, we have an against majority.
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Postby Tretrid » Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:02 pm

Tarnik wrote:
Kashyyyyyyyk wrote:Finally, does anyone know what Violet is referring to?


I believe Violet would be towards the religion that pops up in all of the Issues.

It could also be referring to the admin [violet], which is probably who that religion in those issues is referencing, the same way Maxtopia was an actual nation.

Unsurprisingly, this proposal is losing. I'm honestly kind of surprised that this actually made to quorum, but it might be a bit late to say that. :p Oh well, you can get anything to quorum these days with enough TG stamps.
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Postby The Palentine » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:31 am

The good but unwholesome Senator Sulla perks up and has been watching the debate with malicious glee. Finally he speaks into his mic,

"You lucky bastards! I wish I could just sit around and listen to me talk all day. After listening to this discussion and hearing the disgust and distaste from the SC regulars, I've decided that there must be merit to this fine piece of liberation. Therefore I will be casting mine and the AO's votes in favor of this liberation. I have also encouraged regional members to do the same. Cheers!"

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Postby Underwater Sovereignties » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:30 am

The proposal needs to elaborate on the specific offenses committed by TEP and its delegate. Otherwise, it's a waste of our time and should be shot down.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:32 am

Underwater Sovereignties wrote:The proposal needs to elaborate on the specific offenses committed by TEP and its delegate. Otherwise, it's a waste of our time and should be shot down.

A majority of the SC appears to agree.
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Postby Island Girl Herby » Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:38 am

United Massachusetts wrote:in re: allegations of plagiarism

As the author of the first Liberate TEP, this has my full support.

Wait. Are you supporting this proposal or are you supporting the allegations of plagiarism?

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Postby Trive 38 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:48 am

Lemmings.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:00 am

Trive 38 wrote:Lemmings.

Oh how I love this community.

Currently 4,711 For, to 6,424 Against. There was a lemming effect in the early stages, until people started realising that this proposed Liberation is just pointless and awful.
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Postby Albennia » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:05 am

Trive 38 wrote:Lemmings.

Oh how I love this community.

"everyone who votes the way i don't like is a lemming"

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Trive 38 wrote:Lemmings.

Oh how I love this community.

Currently 4,711 For, to 6,424 Against. There was a lemming effect in the early stages, until people started realising that this proposed Liberation is just pointless and awful.

The popular vote is still For. It's the delegate vote (which should be abolished) which is swinging it to Against
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:14 am

Albennia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Currently 4,711 For, to 6,424 Against. There was a lemming effect in the early stages, until people started realising that this proposed Liberation is just pointless and awful.

The popular vote is still For. It's the delegate vote (which should be abolished) which is swinging it to Against

Most of the people voting "For" probably haven't even read it.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:40 am

It saddens me to see fellow players being so uptight and deigning this proposal as not "worth their time." The SC is a big joke anyway, being a popularity contest decided by a handful of large regions.

The vote is probably going to fail, and that's unfortunate, but fine. TEP has been liberated once, and unlike what AC has said, most of TEP is totally fine with this proposal.

Humor has been a big part of WA Resolutions in the past and it's frankly hypocritical for some to hold themselves and the SC to a higher standard when such resolutions exist.

(my own personal view, not the government view, don't take TEP out of context)
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Postby Superbunny » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:22 am

The Atlae Isles wrote:It saddens me to see fellow players being so uptight and deigning this proposal as not "worth their time." The SC is a big joke anyway, being a popularity contest decided by a handful of large regions.

The vote is probably going to fail, and that's unfortunate, but fine. TEP has been liberated once, and unlike what AC has said, most of TEP is totally fine with this proposal.

Humor has been a big part of WA Resolutions in the past and it's frankly hypocritical for some to hold themselves and the SC to a higher standard when such resolutions exist.

(my own personal view, not the government view, don't take TEP out of context)


I'm sorry you had to hear this here, but the WA would prefer to take itself seriously and not get their time wasted with jokey-joke-haha-so-funny proposals that are nothing but drivel in text form (in fact, the How To Play section of the NS website explicitly discourages bad/garbagepost-y proposals.)

Just because joke proposals have happened doesn't mean the entire assembly should immediately lower their standards for every proposal forthwith. That kills player discussion when you can dismiss everything with "lol it's just a joke bro."

And please, can you name one joke WA proposal that passed? I'll be waiting here for it.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:43 am

Superbunny wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:It saddens me to see fellow players being so uptight and deigning this proposal as not "worth their time." The SC is a big joke anyway, being a popularity contest decided by a handful of large regions.

The vote is probably going to fail, and that's unfortunate, but fine. TEP has been liberated once, and unlike what AC has said, most of TEP is totally fine with this proposal.

Humor has been a big part of WA Resolutions in the past and it's frankly hypocritical for some to hold themselves and the SC to a higher standard when such resolutions exist.

(my own personal view, not the government view, don't take TEP out of context)


I'm sorry you had to hear this here, but the WA would prefer to take itself seriously and not get their time wasted with jokey-joke-haha-so-funny proposals that are nothing but drivel in text form (in fact, the How To Play section of the NS website explicitly discourages bad/garbagepost-y proposals.)

Just because joke proposals have happened doesn't mean the entire assembly should immediately lower their standards for every proposal forthwith. That kills player discussion when you can dismiss everything with "lol it's just a joke bro."

And please, can you name one joke WA proposal that passed? I'll be waiting here for it.

A joke is different from satire. It's close, but it's different. Namely, this is satirical in that it's self-deprecating, and there is a criticism that is within the resolution.

Just because it is the prescribed way to play does not mean it is the only way to play. The game would get boring very quickly.

The resolution I had in mind was Commend Haiku. I think it's a very wholesome resolution (please don't repeal), but it's not a very serious one. In addition, the evolution of the SC to giving badges to players and offensive liberations is a large deviation from what its stated purpose is, this making it a joke among most NSers.
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Postby Tretrid » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:46 am

Superbunny wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:It saddens me to see fellow players being so uptight and deigning this proposal as not "worth their time." The SC is a big joke anyway, being a popularity contest decided by a handful of large regions.

The vote is probably going to fail, and that's unfortunate, but fine. TEP has been liberated once, and unlike what AC has said, most of TEP is totally fine with this proposal.

Humor has been a big part of WA Resolutions in the past and it's frankly hypocritical for some to hold themselves and the SC to a higher standard when such resolutions exist.

(my own personal view, not the government view, don't take TEP out of context)


I'm sorry you had to hear this here, but the WA would prefer to take itself seriously and not get their time wasted with jokey-joke-haha-so-funny proposals that are nothing but drivel in text form (in fact, the How To Play section of the NS website explicitly discourages bad/garbagepost-y proposals.)

Just because joke proposals have happened doesn't mean the entire assembly should immediately lower their standards for every proposal forthwith. That kills player discussion when you can dismiss everything with "lol it's just a joke bro."

And please, can you name one joke WA proposal that passed? I'll be waiting here for it.

The GA had a repeal that included the recipe to make an Orange Julius.

The original LibTEP was done rather tongue-in-cheek, though I feel that the original one was better.

Plus, badge hunting is the norm for the SC.
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Postby Asle Leopolka » Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:19 pm

Do it yourselves ya lazy bums.
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Postby Albennia » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:40 pm

Asle Leopolka wrote:Do it yourselves ya lazy bums.

It's obviously the people who are voting for it who don't understand it

The New California Republic wrote:
Albennia wrote:
The popular vote is still For. It's the delegate vote (which should be abolished) which is swinging it to Against

Most of the people voting "For" probably haven't even read it.


Albennia wrote:
Trive 38 wrote:Lemmings.

Oh how I love this community.

"everyone who votes the way i don't like is a lemming"
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Postby Superbunny » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:33 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Superbunny wrote:
I'm sorry you had to hear this here, but the WA would prefer to take itself seriously and not get their time wasted with jokey-joke-haha-so-funny proposals that are nothing but drivel in text form (in fact, the How To Play section of the NS website explicitly discourages bad/garbagepost-y proposals.)

Just because joke proposals have happened doesn't mean the entire assembly should immediately lower their standards for every proposal forthwith. That kills player discussion when you can dismiss everything with "lol it's just a joke bro."

And please, can you name one joke WA proposal that passed? I'll be waiting here for it.

A joke is different from satire. It's close, but it's different. Namely, this is satirical in that it's self-deprecating, and there is a criticism that is within the resolution.

Just because it is the prescribed way to play does not mean it is the only way to play. The game would get boring very quickly.

The resolution I had in mind was Commend Haiku. I think it's a very wholesome resolution (please don't repeal), but it's not a very serious one. In addition, the evolution of the SC to giving badges to players and offensive liberations is a large deviation from what its stated purpose is, this making it a joke among most NSers.


Okay yeah, that haiku one is pretty funny, and your other points are pretty good, so I concede on that front; but my point is that I wish it weren't a joke, at least, not so publicly that stuff like this can get through quorum undetected. NS should be funny, obviously; I couldn't imagine a non-satirical NS, but it still baffles me that 68 people approved it without seeing the irony. Or maybe I just have no sense of humor, I dunno.

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Superbunny wrote:
I'm sorry you had to hear this here, but the WA would prefer to take itself seriously and not get their time wasted with jokey-joke-haha-so-funny proposals that are nothing but drivel in text form (in fact, the How To Play section of the NS website explicitly discourages bad/garbagepost-y proposals.)

Just because joke proposals have happened doesn't mean the entire assembly should immediately lower their standards for every proposal forthwith. That kills player discussion when you can dismiss everything with "lol it's just a joke bro."

And please, can you name one joke WA proposal that passed? I'll be waiting here for it.

The GA had a repeal that included the recipe to make an Orange Julius.

The original LibTEP was done rather tongue-in-cheek, though I feel that the original one was better.

Plus, badge hunting is the norm for the SC.


Could I see that orange julius one? That sounds hilarious.

Albennia wrote:"Everyone who doesn't vote the way I like is a lemming"


No, it's because this pretty blatant joke proposal:

1) Got through GenSec (granted, it is technically legal)
2) Had 68 individual delegates approve it
3) Then reached the voting floor, where it had a pretty big For margin at the start.

Generalizations help no one and are a terrible way to boost your argument.
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Postby Earthly Heaven » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:38 pm

Albennia wrote:
Asle Leopolka wrote:Do it yourselves ya lazy bums.

It's obviously the people who are voting for it who don't understand it


Maybe stop generalizing about everyone?

I voted for it and I know exactly what I was voting for but keep believing that everyone is a non educated voter. :roll:

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Postby Tretrid » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:44 pm

Superbunny wrote:-big snip-

Could I see that orange julius one? That sounds hilarious.


Here for your enjoyment.
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