Hello there fellow nations!
I'm Mr. Spode of the League of Conservative Nations, and NS's leading expert on the science of offensive liberations (a.k.a. I made one dispatch about it). I'm here in the forum to urge people to vote for the resolution at vote, and liberate The Union of the Axis Powers.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1102773You might notice a discrepancy here. I was originally very much opposed to offensive liberations. The reason I changed my mind on that was partly the CCD-TNP affair, and the general maturity demonstrated by this legislative body in it's actions later that year. But there are some counterarguments to the proposal coming up in this thread which I'd like to address.
Firstly,
Tarnik wrote:Everyone here is clearly allowing real world bias and historic track record of actual Nazis to cloud their judgement in a game that is supposed to be separated from those things. The reactionary response of "There's a fascist kill it!" is just as bad as the fascism you're claiming to be against. This is an unwarranted attack force our viewpoint on someone simply because they are different.
I could support this resolution if it were at least better worded. Right now it sounds like a middle schooler wrote it and uses a lot of emotion in a legal document. Its goals are noble, but its method of achieving them are worse than the thing they aim to destroy.
My issue with this argument is that it is trying to equate, no, demonize, liberations attempts in comparison to fascism on NS. There is a bit of a problem here. Like, a large bit of a problem here. Since we're evidently "clearly allowing real world bias and historic track record of actual Nazis to cloud their judgement in a game that is supposed to be separated from those things", let's take a look down memory lane to what NS fascism is best known for!
- Antisemitism
- Holocaust denial
- And endangering individuals (allegedly)
Wait. That was the same list as the one I had drawn up for the Nazis.
Well, there's a reason for that. These regions, these people, are actively trying to associate themselves with Nazis. Going down the rabbit hole of TUAP's embassies, guess how long it takes you to get to the same conspiracies that get promoted by IRL neonazis? The answer is two. How many clicks to get to antisemitism? Two. How many clicks does it take to get from this region to a region named "Anti Moderator Alliance", which isn't a name that has exactly 'aged well' in light of the
alleged doxxing discussion facilitated by the fascists of NationStates? Two.
Don't say that it's historical Nazi-hunting blinding us unless you want what's happening right now to get brought up, because neither makes these people look any better.
ANyhOw......... Let's just slip and slide right into the next counterargument, this time coming from a colleague of mine...
New Jakobly wrote:Bormiar wrote:So you’re going to liberate every passworded, founderless, fascist region?
Exactly what I was thinking.
Kavagrad wrote:I fail to see the problem.
That is because of your ideology's association with Antifa. You would be mad if us right-wingers tried to liberate or condemn every communist, socialist, or left-wing region for no reason, so why should you all go ahead and do this.
We've seen with the malicious bills targeted at the LCN & FCN,
that the WA is, with the exception of some less than exceptional individuals, pretty good at distinguishing between conservatives, the right as a whole, and the
failing septic tank fascists. Which makes this bill not part of a left wing plot to crush the right, but rather, all of nationstates against fascism.
Honestly, the only part of the bill I can really find issue with is its less than impressive text. In support,
Mr. Spode