[DEFEATED] Liberate The Union of the Axis Powers

[Maraculand]

The Security Council takes stances on issues. That is what it does. It states whether a nation/region's actions are commendable/condemnable or will state that they believe/do not believe that a region should be liberated to permit/prevent destruction.

Care to explain how exactly this is a "liberation" if we are attacking a fascist region where the residing nations moved specifically because they wanted to live in a fascist region?
Just call it what it is: destruction of people you do not agree with.

[Tarnik]

You're...not aware of what the Principles of National Sovereignty are? It's only part of the second resolution passed by the World Assembly, which lays out the rights, responsibilities, and duties of member nations. It seems we're more about carrying out our personal interests instead of upholding what the World Assembly and its associated Security Council is about. As a refresher, I will link you. https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolution/id=2/council=1.

GA resolutions are meaningless to the SC and no one really cares about the regional sovereignty of fascists anyways

That's a child like stance. And the Security Council is a part of the World Assembly designed to try to facilitate peace. Ignoring founding rules from the body it springs from and disrupting peace to attack and disperse those we do not like without due provocation is a direct violation of that mission statement.

[Lord Dominator]

GA resolutions are meaningless to the SC and no one really cares about the regional sovereignty of fascists anyways

I imagine Fascists make the same, "Nobody cares," argument about those whom they oppress.

So?

That's a child like stance.

I do try, thanks for noticing

And the Security Council is a part of the World Assembly designed to try to facilitate peace.

By force, if necessary as you'll note. Fascism doesn't deserve protection.

Ignoring founding rules from the body it springs from

#2 is not founding, nor does it matter that the SC was at one point part of the GA, because it sure isn't now. Different resolutions, different rules, different rules enforcement.

and disrupting peace to attack and disperse those we do not like without due provocation is a direct violation of that mission statement.

Fascism is provocation in and of itself (as are the nazis they're generally hanging around with).

[Tarnik]

I imagine Fascists make the same, "Nobody cares," argument about those whom they oppress.

So?

That's a child like stance.

I do try, thanks for noticing

And the Security Council is a part of the World Assembly designed to try to facilitate peace.

By force, if necessary as you'll note. Fascism doesn't deserve protection.

Ignoring founding rules from the body it springs from

#2 is not founding, nor does it matter that the SC was at one point part of the GA, because it sure isn't now. Different resolutions, different rules, different rules enforcement.

and disrupting peace to attack and disperse those we do not like without due provocation is a direct violation of that mission statement.

Fascism is provocation in and of itself (as are the nazis they're generally hanging around with).

Can't help but noticing that your own country is looking a little...fascist. Might want to watch those words. Would hate to see you suffer because people want to see you eradicated simply because you were running a country in a way that someone else didn't like.

[Lord Dominator]

So?

I do try, thanks for noticing

By force, if necessary as you'll note. Fascism doesn't deserve protection.

#2 is not founding, nor does it matter that the SC was at one point part of the GA, because it sure isn't now. Different resolutions, different rules, different rules enforcement.

Fascism is provocation in and of itself (as are the nazis they're generally hanging around with).

Can't help but noticing that your own country is looking a little...fascist. Might want to watch those words. Would hate to see you suffer because people want to see you eradicated simply because you were running a country in a way that someone else didn't like.

Ah yes, my unlabelled dystopia with the easy presumption of issues roleplay is clearly comparable to a region labelling itself as fascist on an OOC basis.

Truly your argument is a masterpiece of persuasion

[New Jakobly]

I am strongly against this bill because this a biased movement only for the purpose of destroying a region as opposed to actually making a reasonable statement. The bill itself is no more than a summary and it seems that the use of big regions to pass it is what's being done. Plus, the region itself has never really grown to high levels, making the claim of a "raid attempt" very exaggerated.

[Tarnik]

Can't help but noticing that your own country is looking a little...fascist. Might want to watch those words. Would hate to see you suffer because people want to see you eradicated simply because you were running a country in a way that someone else didn't like.

Ah yes, my unlabelled dystopia with the easy presumption of issues roleplay is clearly comparable to a region labelling itself as fascist on an OOC basis.

Truly your argument is a masterpiece of persuasion

Just saying that it's a slippery slope. Targeting something on the mere basis of its existence is how things get out of hand. If this goes through what's to stop us from doing it to anyone else we don't like or agree with? They haven't raided anyone yet, they're in a region of like minded nations, why not just let them be? There's nothing to liberate if the region isn't being held hostage.

[Praeceps]

To answer the various comments made.

We are taking action against them because they are a fascist region. That is why. Condemnations have no teeth and are typically seen as a badge of honour, hence a liberation. This resolution is bias because we are bias against fascists. I have explicitly stated in the resolution and in the thread that we are hoping to bring about the region's destruction.

Additionally, Borovan, I will see if Kuriko has an internship so I can be more like her. My apologies for not being her.

[Bormiar]

To answer the various comments made.

We are taking action against them because they are a fascist region. That is why. Condemnations have no teeth and are typically seen as a badge of honour, hence a liberation. This resolution is bias because we are bias against fascists. I have explicitly stated in the resolution and in the thread that we are hoping to bring about the region's destruction.

Additionally, Borovan, I will see if Kuriko has an internship so I can be more like her. My apologies for not being her.

So you’re going to liberate every passworded, founderless, fascist region?

[Kavagrad]

To answer the various comments made.

We are taking action against them because they are a fascist region. That is why. Condemnations have no teeth and are typically seen as a badge of honour, hence a liberation. This resolution is bias because we are bias against fascists. I have explicitly stated in the resolution and in the thread that we are hoping to bring about the region's destruction.

Additionally, Borovan, I will see if Kuriko has an internship so I can be more like her. My apologies for not being her.

So you’re going to liberate every passworded, founderless, fascist region?

I fail to see the problem.

[Praeceps]

Ah yes I remember saying that. Wait, I actually don’t remember saying that. Where did I say that?

[Bormiar]

Ah yes I remember saying that. Wait, I actually don’t remember saying that. Where did I say that?

Well if you’re sole justification of liberating this region is that it’s fascist, it stands to reason that you’d be fine with liberating any fascist region, regardless of importance or that it’s a complete waste of time.

[New Jakobly]

To answer the various comments made.

We are taking action against them because they are a fascist region. That is why. Condemnations have no teeth and are typically seen as a badge of honour, hence a liberation. This resolution is bias because we are bias against fascists. I have explicitly stated in the resolution and in the thread that we are hoping to bring about the region's destruction.

Additionally, Borovan, I will see if Kuriko has an internship so I can be more like her. My apologies for not being her.

This right here, ladies and gentlemen, is every reason why this attempt to destroy a region that does not deserve it should be taken down. They are being attacked simply because of their ideology, and not because of anything they have done wrong.

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Compare this to Trump's impeachment trial. That was clearly partisan-fueled, and this resolution attempt is fueled by a personal grudge towards an ideology.

[New Jakobly]

To answer the various comments made.

We are taking action against them because they are a fascist region. That is why. Condemnations have no teeth and are typically seen as a badge of honour, hence a liberation. This resolution is bias because we are bias against fascists. I have explicitly stated in the resolution and in the thread that we are hoping to bring about the region's destruction.

Additionally, Borovan, I will see if Kuriko has an internship so I can be more like her. My apologies for not being her.

So you’re going to liberate every passworded, founderless, fascist region?

Exactly what I was thinking.

So you’re going to liberate every passworded, founderless, fascist region?

I fail to see the problem.

That is because of your ideology's association with Antifa. You would be mad if us right-wingers tried to liberate or condemn every communist, socialist, or left-wing region for no reason, so why should you all go ahead and do this.

[Tarnik]

To answer the various comments made.

We are taking action against them because they are a fascist region. That is why. Condemnations have no teeth and are typically seen as a badge of honour, hence a liberation. This resolution is bias because we are bias against fascists. I have explicitly stated in the resolution and in the thread that we are hoping to bring about the region's destruction.

Additionally, Borovan, I will see if Kuriko has an internship so I can be more like her. My apologies for not being her.

So you openly admit to actively wanting to destroy the region under the guise of "Liberation". While I am aware that Liberations can be used in multiple ways, please see the posting on Liberations: viewtopic.php?p=4088685#p4088685

Destruction via Liberation is sickening and a condemnation would suffice. Even if they see it as a badge of honor, it allows the rest of the world to know they're not to be trusted and that they are being watched. So far they have made no actual moves and you want to remove their regional sovereignty because of their type of government.

[Barometria]

This would be like if I were lying in my bed minding my own business and playing a phone game, the SC barging into my room, pulling me out of bed, dragging my bed outside and then setting the bed on fire and informing me that I had been, "Liberated," from my bed.

If the SC is going to invade for the purpose of destroying non-aggressive Regions, then we should not even have a guise of, "Liberate," we should also understand the reality of what the word, "Liberate," even implies and why some member nations might automatically vote accordingly.

The first thing that we should do is draft legislation that confers upon us the authority to attack non-aggressors. Then, those who are morally opposed to attacking non-aggressive regions should be given the option to withdraw from the SC whilst remaining in the WA...since they are apparently two separate things now.

Look: Fascism = Bad. Barometria totally agrees with that sentiment. But, what we are proposing is WRONG and is a straight up act of SC sanctioned military aggression. We have become Raiders if we allow this to happen. This is in no way a defensive action of any kind.

[New Jakobly]

To answer the various comments made.

We are taking action against them because they are a fascist region. That is why. Condemnations have no teeth and are typically seen as a badge of honour, hence a liberation. This resolution is bias because we are bias against fascists. I have explicitly stated in the resolution and in the thread that we are hoping to bring about the region's destruction.

Additionally, Borovan, I will see if Kuriko has an internship so I can be more like her. My apologies for not being her.

So you openly admit to actively wanting to destroy the region under the guise of "Liberation". While I am aware that Liberations can be used in multiple ways, please see the posting on Liberations: viewtopic.php?p=4088685#p4088685

Destruction via Liberation is sickening and a condemnation would suffice. Even if they see it as a badge of honor, it allows the rest of the world to know they're not to be trusted and that they are being watched. So far they have made no actual moves and you want to remove their regional sovereignty because of their type of government.

Yes, this is exactly what this is getting at here, and if you are going to do that to them, then we might as well do it to you, as it is the only fair circumstance.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

[New Jakobly]

This would be like if I were lying in my bed minding my own business and playing a phone game, the SC barging into my room, pulling me out of bed, dragging my bed outside and then setting the bed on fire and informing me that I had been, "Liberated," from my bed.

If the SC is going to invade for the purpose of destroying non-aggressive Regions, then we should not even have a guise of, "Liberate," we should also understand the reality of what the word, "Liberate," even implies and why some member nations might automatically vote accordingly.

The first thing that we should do is draft legislation that confers upon us the authority to attack non-aggressors. Then, those who are morally opposed to attacking non-aggressive regions should be given the option to withdraw from the SC whilst remaining in the WA...since they are apparently two separate things now.

Look: Fascism = Bad. Barometria totally agrees with that sentiment. But, what we are proposing is WRONG and is a straight up act of SC sanctioned military aggression. We have become Raiders if we allow this to happen. This is in no way a defensive action of any kind.

This is what most of us feel right now.

Antifa has been haunting fascists regions for so long, all because of their status and ideology, and this attempt to take away their sovereignty on the lone reason of personal grudges is nothing more than propaganda.

[New Jakobly]

What I see here is a potential for the World Assembly to become chatoic, as more and more personally motivated attacks would come about.

Many right-wingers dislike NationStates for the reason of these motivated attacks against their ideologies, and this blatant abuse of the system needs to stop.

[Lord Dominator]

What I see here is a potential for the World Assembly to become chatoic, as more and more personally motivated attacks would come about.

Many right-wingers dislike NationStates for the reason of these motivated attacks against their ideologies, and this blatant abuse of the system needs to stop.

My apologies, are you suggesting that fascism is an ideology that your average person on the right likes to hang around with?

[New Jakobly]

As I mentioned that this region has associated themselves with despicable organizations here are a number of the organizations they have wrongly associated themselves with:

1. Demonstrating support for the Interregional Axis through pinning their dispatch to their WFE.
2. Formerly embassied to the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators. A region which has been shown to have been involved in discussions regarding doxxing a NationStates moderator and has recently fully publicly embraced fascism.
3. Embassied to the Union of Nationalists: a region which holds third positionists regions as protectorates.
4. Embassied to the Fifth Empire: a self-proclaimed fascist region.
5. Embassied to The Union of National Socialists: a region owning territories explicitly described as fascist. Their name is National Socialists.
6. Embassied to National Socialist Ministries: a region which describes itself as trying to spread National Socialism.
7. Embassied to Nazi Europa: a region pre-emptively liberated for fascism. Explicitly dedicated to National Socialism and fascism.
8. Embassied to The Coalition of Fascist Nations: a region once again working to spread fascism.

This list was made by looking at the first 16 embassies that the region holds. They have a further 32 embassies. It is utterly ridiculous that regions like this continue to maintain a presence on this site. I have not mentioned any other fascist regions by name to avoid giving them any undue attention that they are so desparate for.

I would appreciate your support in bringing this resolution to quorum, passing it, and then bringing about the region's destruction.

And what does this have to do with liberating them. In nowhere in the chart on the SC Guide does it state that association is a reason to liberate. I understand you did not include this in the proposal, but that doesn't have to do with anything.

[New Jakobly]

What I see here is a potential for the World Assembly to become chatoic, as more and more personally motivated attacks would come about.

Many right-wingers dislike NationStates for the reason of these motivated attacks against their ideologies, and this blatant abuse of the system needs to stop.

My apologies, are you suggesting that fascism is an ideology that your average person on the right likes to hang around with?

No, I am just stating how many right-wingers dislike the WA and the game for its constant attacks on them, and not just fascists.

[Xeknos]

I vote in support because fuck Nazis.

[New Jakobly]

I vote in support because fuck Nazis.

That is not a credible reason to vot in favor. Plus, fascists and nazis are different, as nazis are left-wing and fascists are right-wing. The targeted region is fascist. This is absolute crap anyways.

[Xeknos]

I vote in support because fuck Nazis.

That is not a credible reason to vot in favor. Plus, fascists and nazis are different, as nazis are left-wing and fascists are right-wing. The targeted region is fascist. This is absolute crap anyways.

Antifa has been haunting fascists regions for so long, all because of their status and ideology, and this attempt to take away their sovereignty on the lone reason of personal grudges is nothing more than propaganda.

You know who complained when Antifa stormed the beaches of Normandy in 1944?

Nazis.

Nazis complained.