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WayNeacTia
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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:44 pm

Lothric- wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:They're set up perfectly fine, you're just assuming that a guide is worth far more than it is.

a guide that is set up based on the guidelines of the WA's passed laws? lmao ok, I guess all the laws of the wa don't matter..which they didn't to begin with since all it does is annoy people with telegrams :clap: :rofl:

What are you failing to understand here? There is no precedent based upon passed resoultions in the Security Council. It is a court of public opinion and nothing more.
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Postby Yokiria » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:52 pm

Druing wrote:i mean turn the SC into your own personal toy for battering the things you personally don't like if you want; just be prepared to reap the consequences of it

Battering the things the World Assembly doesn't like is part of the reason it exists.

We're not turning the Security Council into anything different by doing this.
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Postby New Jakobly » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:03 am

Wow... People are smart enough to vote against this now.

.3% away from 50/50
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Postby Kavagrad » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:21 am

New Jakobly wrote:Wow... People are smart enough to vote against this now.

.3% away from 50/50

Because the NPA refounded the region, not because anyone sympathises with the fascists you love to defend.
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Postby New Jakobly » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:50 am

Kavagrad wrote:
New Jakobly wrote:Wow... People are smart enough to vote against this now.

.3% away from 50/50

Because the NPA refounded the region, not because anyone sympathises with the fascists you love to defend.

oh damn. But still that is stupid.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:01 am

"Liberate The Union of the Axis Powers" was defeated 8,222 votes to 6,914.
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Postby Yokiria » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:03 am

Glad that the NPA pulled off the refound and a liberation wasn't needed after all.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:13 pm

Yokiria wrote:Glad that the NPA pulled off the refound and a liberation wasn't needed after all.

Most certainly, we got the benefit without much of the downside honestly.

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Postby Druing » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Most certainly, we got the benefit without much of the downside honestly.


...the region practically got free advertisement
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Postby Gorundu » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:06 pm

Druing wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Most certainly, we got the benefit without much of the downside honestly.


...the region practically got free advertisement

The region...that is now held by The North Pacific Army? I don't think TNP needs free advertisement.
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Postby Druing » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:40 pm

Gorundu wrote:The region...that is now held by The North Pacific Army? I don't think TNP needs free advertisement.


yes and no. the original region being targeted realised they were being targeted and founded a new region copy-paste and then just moved over to there to avoid the event of the proposal passing.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:47 pm

Druing wrote:
Gorundu wrote:The region...that is now held by The North Pacific Army? I don't think TNP needs free advertisement.


yes and no. the original region being targeted realised they were being targeted and founded a new region copy-paste and then just moved over to there to avoid the event of the proposal passing.

Which had a different name, even if slightly, and thus got no advertising benefit.

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Postby Barometria » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:49 pm

I imagine they don't mind considering they did approximately nothing to advertise themselves in the first place.

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Postby Druing » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:11 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Which had a different name, even if slightly, and thus got no advertising benefit.


no i'm pretty sure it got advertising benefit. anyone interested is probably looking and most discussions about it have probably talked about their new region. the streisand effect is absolute
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:14 pm

Druing wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Which had a different name, even if slightly, and thus got no advertising benefit.


no i'm pretty sure it got advertising benefit. anyone interested is probably looking and most discussions about it have probably talked about their new region. the streisand effect is absolute

Yep, I'm sure all 9 nations behind their password are really benefiting.

Of course, why it's a negative that people who would join a region based on it being fascist doing so is a negative, I'm not clear...

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Postby WayNeacTia » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:51 pm

Druing wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Which had a different name, even if slightly, and thus got no advertising benefit.


no i'm pretty sure it got advertising benefit. anyone interested is probably looking and most discussions about it have probably talked about their new region. the streisand effect is absolute

What advertisement? They are a nothing region, sitting behind a password. If you don't know how this works, please don't comment.
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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Postby Maraculand » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:34 pm

lmao when it's a subject of a resolution it's all like "we need to destroy those fascists!"
when now it has a founder and you can't do anything it's all like "it's password protected who cares" :clap:

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:44 pm

Maraculand wrote:lmao when it's a subject of a resolution it's all like "we need to destroy those fascists!"

That's the attitude all the time
when now it has a founder and you can't do anything it's all like "it's password protected who cares" :clap:

And this is the response being given to the idea that the fascists in question were unaffected or strengthened.

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Postby Human Rights Violation » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:09 pm

Attacking facists is oppressing them.
Oppression is good.

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Postby Praeceps » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:50 pm

Many thanks to the Delegates who approved the proposal and everyone who voted FOR the resolution and then switching to AGAINST after the NPA refounded the region.

The region has been refounded succesfully and no longer belongs to the fascist, there is no need for a repeal. I call this an absolute success. :)
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Postby Human Rights Violation » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:07 pm

Whatever you say nerd.

Im off to go find more mischief

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Postby Druing » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:04 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Yep, I'm sure all 9 nations behind their password are really benefiting.

they probably are. a few days ago, barely anyone had ever even heard of these people and then they suddenly were promoted in the WA.

Lord Dominator wrote:Of course, why it's a negative that people who would join a region based on it being fascist doing so is a negative, I'm not clear...

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what?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:03 am

Druing wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Yep, I'm sure all 9 nations behind their password are really benefiting.

they probably are. a few days ago, barely anyone had ever even heard of these people and then they suddenly were promoted in the WA.

And then they locked themselves behind a password. All the recognition in the world isn't useful if they don't let people in.
Lord Dominator wrote:Of course, why it's a negative that people who would join a region based on it being fascist doing so is a negative, I'm not clear...

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what?

I'm saying that the people who would join a fascist region upon being told it is such are probably fascist themselves.

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Postby Druing » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:32 am

Lord Dominator wrote:And then they locked themselves behind a password. All the recognition in the world isn't useful if they don't let people in.

and anyone interested is likely going to contact them. and if they're competent, they're going to vet every single new arrival so that they don't get raided. they've played the correct move in this situation and currently have the upper hand.

Lord Dominator wrote:I'm saying that the people who would join a fascist region upon being told it is such are probably fascist themselves.

okay. and your point is?

ICly or even OOCly, they may express however they please. that's the spirit of both NS (for the former) and free expression (for the latter). unless they're actively harming, attempting to harm or inciting harm to other people, people can follow whatever ideology they please. if this is your sole basis for the unwavering support you've given here, then i would certainly have to disapprove of what appears to be flagrant thought policing using technicalities just to service what comes across as a self-imposed 'moral duty'.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:38 am

Druing wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:And then they locked themselves behind a password. All the recognition in the world isn't useful if they don't let people in.

and anyone interested is likely going to contact them. and if they're competent, they're going to vet every single new arrival so that they don't get raided. they've played the correct move in this situation and currently have the upper hand.

They as of yet haven't documented any particular competence, seeing as they lost the founder and then their region. If they do display some greater degree of competence, Gameplay has had decades more time to be better.
Lord Dominator wrote:I'm saying that the people who would join a fascist region upon being told it is such are probably fascist themselves.

okay. and your point is?

ICly or even OOCly, they may express however they please. that's the spirit of both NS (for the former) and free expression (for the latter). unless they're actively harming, attempting to harm or inciting harm to other people, people can follow whatever ideology they please.
They do indeed have the ability to express themselves. Other players choosing to stifle said expression is also perfectly fine. This is censure, not censorship.

You've dissaproved regardless, and I likewise don't care a whit what your opinion of me is.

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